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The problem with waiting for Broadwell, or even Skylake if you want quad-core is guessing the design impetus for using just these dual-cores in the new mini's.

The top-end dual-core i7 (i7-4578U) used in now the most expensive Mac Mini tops out at 28wtt TDP. The lowest wattage Skylake quad-core (expected) is going to have a 35 wt TDP, and that will come with a neutered GPU. That's well after broadwell.

If Apple's new design going forward is to limit the Mac Mini to CPU's under ~30wt, then you can basically kiss a quad-core option goodbye anytime soon (meaning, next 2 years). If they're just doing this for socket compatibility reasons then there's perhaps a chance, but at this point I'm not getting my hopes up we'll see a quad-core broadwell, or even Skylake Mac Mini - if they even keep the line that long.

The current Mac mini case can handle a processor with 45W TDP, as demonstrated by the top 2012 model. But I don't see any reason to believe they will go that way in the next mini, and I share your skepticism about the chances for a Broadwell quad-core mini.

I don't think they cancelled the high-end mini only because of socket compatibility reasons, but also because they want to lower our expectations for the next one. Suppose they are going full glued and fanless for Broadwell, then we would have been in for quite a performance drop from a Haswell quad-core. Maybe they're just lowering the performance ceiling in two steps, to make each step less dramatic?
 
Yipes! It's like I hit a nerve.

It's an appliance. Just a toaster (and not a combination refrigerator-toaster at that). How often do you take your toaster apart to beef it up?

That's a poor analogy.

Actually automobiles or TVs would be a much better analogy, but I just wanted to reference Tim Cook.

In the early days of personal computers every owner had to be a tinkerer and basically a computer guru. This is true for any new technology -- think automobiles in 1900 or television in the early 1930s. When the device becomes acceptable by the masses it has to be easy to use and reliable since 99+% of customers aren't gurus. The designs become internally complex to make them easy to use and sealed for reliability. How many people tune up their cars? It was every 3000 miles and DIY on the 68 VW I had. Nowadays there are no adjustments and just change plugs every 100,000 miles. My family's first color TV (1956) required servicing (adjustments or tube replacements) every couple of months over its life. I made money in high school fixing them. Nowadays I only have bought one TV per decade since the late 1980s and I've never had to open them up, and frankly there isn't much I could do if I did.

When it needs cleaned or fixed.

My experience is that they rarely fail (outside of HDDs which seem to last 3-4 years). Need to clean depends on the environment. Even the toaster needs to be cleaned occasionally.

If the Sears sold three models of toaster: model A that has no timer and only goes up to heat level I, model B that has a timer and only goes up to heat level II for 25% more money, and model C that has a two timers and goes up to heat level III for 50% more money, where the difference between the models is a different dial adjustment (meaning toaster A is capable of heat level III, the dial just doesn't turn that far), then yes I would take my toaster apart to beef it up.

Really? I'd say you are an exception!

Let's compare it to the refrigerator instead. If the Mac mini had an easy-to-open magnetic door and a light that comes on when I open it, I would not complain about any hassle when I need to clean the fan.

My refrigerator has an easy-to-open magnetic door and a light that comes on when I open it. But I still hate to clean the fan.
 
I ordered the same thing and i got a message of shipment today too... Guess they are not being made in the US since it shipped from China.


That's a good point. Changing factories would likely happen with a case redesign, which we didn't get this time. So there's still hope for next time.

It's not bad. It's just not much of an improvement in terms of processing capabilities.

The disappointment is simply in that there's so little difference over the last model that you can see why it only got a 30second footnote mention.



At least people won't complain about paying for 2+year old tech any more...


This is definitely a case of careful what you wish for. Like the spiteful genie who grants creatively. Given these choices, I think some would have preferred no update.
 
When I woke up today I had an email message in my mail box saying my Mac Mini shipped today. It should arrive this Friday. That's one week sooner than I thought.

3 GHz i7, Iris 5100, 16 GB RAM, 256 GB SSD

My new Mac mini is almost certainly coming.

Yeah, this was my first choice. Should be a good setup, but...

I've been doing some research to determine the best bang for the buck as an upgrade to my current iMac 24", 2.66Ghz Core 2 Duo w/4GB Ram, 640GB HD.

The Middle Tier Mac Mini spec's look like a great starting point. I would upgrade to the 1Tb Fusion drive and 16GB RAM for $1099. That would give me a variety of significant performance upgrades and updates from my current iMac.

The new MacMini would give me the i5 Processing, superior Iris graphics, USB 3 (which I do not have), SD Card slot, Thunderbolt, OS X Yosemite, Upgrade AC Wi-fi. ...and I can use whatever Monitor I want. I currently have a nice 27" ASUS Monitor and a nice wireless Keyboard/Mouse.

I am thinking this machine will smoke my 6-7 year old iMac. (which still works great btw)

Thoughts?

...the price for the i7 with 16Gb RAM and 256Gb SSD ends up at $1399. I don't see a significant performance gain with the i7. (Maybe some forthcoming benchmarks will differ.). I'm now looking at the 2.8 and 2.6Ghz i5 models which shave $200-300 off the price. That $999 2.8Ghz i5 with 8Gb RAM and 256Gb SSD is looking more attractive.
 
Yeah, this was my first choice. Should be a good setup, but...



...the price for the i7 with 16Gb RAM and 256Gb SSD ends up at $1399. I don't see a significant performance gain with the i7. (Maybe some forthcoming benchmarks will differ.). I'm now looking at the 2.8 and 2.6Ghz i5 models which shave $200-300 off the price. That $999 2.8Ghz i5 with 8Gb RAM and 256Gb SSD is looking more attractive.

Yes. I have never been a big fan of Fusion drives. Cannot explain why. I just stay far away from them. The above does seem like a decent deal for sure.
 
Yes. I have never been a big fan of Fusion drives. Cannot explain why. I just stay far away from them.
Data inextricably linked across two drives so that if either drive fails then the contents of both are 'gone'? Apple's 'algorithms and techniques' making the decisions about what data goes on which component storage device? What's not to love?!?
 
Data inextricably linked across two drives so that if either drive fails then the contents of both are 'gone'? Apple's 'algorithms and techniques' making the decisions about what data goes on which component storage device? What's not to love?!?

Oh yeah, that is it precisely :) Thanks. I like to actually KNOW where my data is.
 
It's not bad. It's just not much of an improvement in terms of processing capabilities.
The disappointment is simply in that there's so little difference over the last model that you can see why it only got a 30second footnote mention.

At least people won't complain about paying for 2+year old tech any more...

Not much of an improvement? Ha! It's about a 50% decrease in cpu processing from the 2012 mid tier model.
 
Imagine Apple released a flagship iPhone with a smaller screen than before and half the processing power.

No you can't becasue they're share price would impolde and they'd be the laughing stock of the tech world. That people might still buy it is another worry!

The new Mac iSlab lower (kinda) price line up is interesting for install where you don't need power but after that there is nothing great or welcome about this update. In fact it's a disaster. They lost a lot of core sales with this update. Madness.

I have a commercial interest in upgrading our 2008 macpro server to newer hardware for so many obvious reasons I was dismayed at this development. I've seen it happen before.

What needs to happen is every mac mini user needs to directly email the samle email address, not with a copy and paste job but with a personal insight into what they have done. Otherwise nothing will change. If they get 10,000 emails or more from disgruntled customers and each professes their mac mini 2014 buy status as "hold" they'll take note very quickly.

I'm now in the process of sourcing whatever quad i7 2012 mini I can find.

It doesn't matter the reasons people are searching for but this should simply have been shelved as an update. To me it seems marketing was more on hand here and if we now have a marketing company selling computers then Apple is not going in a good direction.

I run my business on macs and it's not graphics based and removing the server-option on the mac mini is not a business friendly move at all.

A very stupid decision even as a stop gap. It's amazingly dumb.

I'm still trying to think of obvious well know precedent when a company actively retard their new products and the ony examples i can think of are other Apple instances of this retardation of new tech because of marketing?

Japanese car companies worked by a gentleman's agreement not to get into a horse power war with their muscle cars of the 90's followed but you could tune the engine if you wanted breaking their limiter, like upgrading your mac and send it to the moon. They where not that dumb to put in a half powered engine in a beautiful car. These companies still made they're popular cars too. Why does apple have to make every line perform like an iPhone sales curve. The've losing the plot if you ask me.

You see these internal patterns happen in large organisation be they governments or corporations or even sports teams usually before a collapse. I'm not going to predict a timeline but the wash of hubris breaks down things get's messy. They seem to be on a internal path of hegemony as well as an external one. Inner and outer monopoly. Diversity is an important factor in the survival and innovation of any company. No one person can have the monopoly on that, I think Steve Jobs may have provided the authoritative vision. What's Apples vision now?

Look at samsung, they make so many models of phones, yet they still have their flaghsip models and they make a ton of other consumer electrical goods. Very well I might add. The last company that looked like Apple that I can think of was SONY, even SONY had a far greater reach and an internal Japanese market that got more products that the international one.

I've heard stories of other products being screwed around by marketing but this takes the biscuit in computer terms.

While it's not officially known I know of one instance where a famous global design had a specific feature added becasue of the influence of marketing when from a desing point of view they had no function.

I'll expect "go faster stripes" on the next mac mini update to compsate for Moores Law.

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To summarise, adding one lower priced option and reducing the price over the line does not compensate for a major failed key points that came with this update few want.

Someone or some group within Apple wanted this, most likely because they are on the march to expand their markets being top priority.
 
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Not much of an improvement? Ha! It's about a 50% decrease in cpu processing from the 2012 mid tier model.

I assume you're referring to the lack of quad core model? If so then this statement has to be given some context to be considered accurate. Context such as which programs one would be using.
 
I assume you're referring to the lack of quad core model? If so then this statement has to be given some context to be considered accurate. Context such as which programs one would be using.

It doesn't mater what programs when your multitasking with several running at one time. A quad core processor will always be faster and more efficient.
 
It doesn't mater what programs when your multitasking with several running at one time. A quad core processor will always be faster and more efficient.

This statements needs to be qualified too. For example what is meant by "faster"? What is meant by "more efficient"?
 
No, the thread should remain open in anticipation of the NEXT Mac Mini which is certainly coming. Eventually.
I looked twice at this sentence as read it as NeXT MacMini which would actually be a very interesting development so long as not at the 1989-90 prices.:cool:
 
The new Mac Mini was released. Are people just posting to keep this thread going ?

Maybe, this thread should be locked ?


The mini that came is not the "new" mini. However its true that this thread has slowed down since the downgrade. After the announcement i felt apple will say "sorry the new mini is a mistake here take your quad" anytime. So i am still waiting hopelessly for the new mini before my macbook dies.
 
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