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The new Mac mini is almost certainly coming
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Very happy with my quad core I bought at the end of August, knowing the new Mini was on the way, and based on every other computer released this year, was going to be lower spec and cheaper.
Looking forward to THE NEXT Mac Mini with specs better than 2012, hopefully.
Some weird discussions going here how did Wine get in here?? so, why not
My plug for ElementaryOS.org - Yosemite stole quite a bit from this. I'd love Elementary to get serious and really work with my iDevices. Mac OS has dropped the ball. Anybody know if Ubuntu has a simple contact syncing service? Surely you can do calendars and contacts from home, without the need for a cloud service
Mac OS really is going the wrong direction for me.
Point is, I'm looking around for alternatives. I'd love Apple to meet my needs, but they really aren't any more. They have some half-baked ideas based on very simple users and they're going to fail - BADLY.
We'll see if the iCloud wet dream gets out of beta before the next Mac/iOS update rolls around.
Mac Mini rules! Cheapest Mac bang per buck. Just make a better one next time, please Apple.
Very happy with my quad core I bought at the end of August, knowing the new Mini was on the way, and based on every other computer released this year, was going to be lower spec and cheaper.
Looking forward to THE NEXT Mac Mini with specs better than 2012, hopefully.
Some weird discussions going here how did Wine get in here?? so, why not
My plug for ElementaryOS.org - Yosemite stole quite a bit from this. I'd love Elementary to get serious and really work with my iDevices. Mac OS has dropped the ball. Anybody know if Ubuntu has a simple contact syncing service? Surely you can do calendars and contacts from home, without the need for a cloud service
Mac OS really is going the wrong direction for me.
- Everything in the Cloud is just impractical even though it sounds good in theory. Not to mention, doesn't require a warrant once it's off your own machine. Nothing to hide, just don't think this kind of behaviour needs ANY MORE encouragement.
- iTunes as a media library used to be a great part of the Mac ecosystem. That's pretty much broken now (everything in the cloud, yer know). It no longer syncs to my iPhone and I have too much to juggle to do it in individual apps on the dinky little 6 Plus screen. So the media lock-in is broken.
- iMessage is pretty well stuffed. Now it just refuses to send an SMS if an iMessage user should be so stupid as to have no internet! Even if you turn off iMessage. It's no longer a phone, yer see.
- Wait until you have to have your whole photo library in the cloud and there's a stuff-up. Say, you accidentally delete from one device and it all goes from every device that might have had a backup for you disaster.
Point is, I'm looking around for alternatives. I'd love Apple to meet my needs, but they really aren't any more. They have some half-baked ideas based on very simple users and they're going to fail - BADLY.
We'll see if the iCloud wet dream gets out of beta before the next Mac/iOS update rolls around.
Mac Mini rules! Cheapest Mac bang per buck. Just make a better one next time, please Apple.
In 5 years, the Mac will be where the iPod is today - a footnote in the investor meetings.
People need to just come to grips with the Mac's impending relevancy with this company.
J.P. Morgan 'heat map' of Apple revenue by product Feb 2014 by tiernantech, on Flickr
People need to just come to grips with the Mac's impending relevancy with this company.
J.P. Morgan 'heat map' of Apple revenue by product Feb 2014 by tiernantech, on Flickr
Bought two refurbished mini's this year (while this thread was alive), the second intentionally waiting for the 2014's to get a better price on a 2012. These replaced a 2009 mini used as an entertainment center and a 2009 mini server.
Mac OS Server does calendar and contacts (from home). I've been running it since 2010. The first year or two it didn't fully sync to iOS but it does now.
You don't need to use any of Apple's (or Google's or ...) cloud services except the app store for updates. Go to System Preferences --> iCloud and uncheck all the boxes if you wish. I personally only have Photos turned on so that pictures taken on my iPhone automatically make it to iPhoto on my Mac. I don't upload my Mac's photos into iCloud.
?? It (12.0.1) syncs to my iPhone (6) just fine. No media lock-in (at least for audio) in years -- I buy most music from Amazon. I don't subscribe to iTunes Match, so nothing here in the cloud.
No experience with this but I'd guess it would be no problem if the iMessage user has Cellular turned on for iMessage. As far as I know there is no way to turn iMessage off or remove it from an iPhone. There is a well know issue if an iPhone user switches to another phone (that of course doesn't support iMessage).
It's just wild conjecture that the Photos app for the Mac will be only cloud based. No other Apple app requires using the cloud. It's totally impractical for users with 100's of gigabytes of images!
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While it's an increasingly smaller slice of the pie, it's actually growing and has been for many years. And this is basically without advertising. iPod sales have been decreasing rapidly.
Most people don't need computers other than their cell phone or tablet. They never really did. People who need computers are actually drifting toward Macs. It's still a big business, profitable, and not going away.
Apple will start introducing ARM Macs in the future and will start weaning people off of OSX that don't need x86 compliant apps. Even Windows apps are becoming IOS compatible.
All apps will be ARM in the future and you will assimilate.
Apple will start introducing ARM Macs in the future and will start weaning people off of OSX that don't need x86 compliant apps. Even Windows apps are becoming IOS compatible.
All apps will be ARM in the future and you will assimilate.
Glad to see the
. iOS/OSX and x86/ARM are completely separate issues. iOS has always been OS X as far as the kernel OS is concerned. Steve Jobs said so back when the iPhone was announced. The difference is really in the user experience -- touch screen versus mouse/keyboard interface, single versus multiple windows, application fenced data storage versus traditional hierarchical file system.There is no engineering reason a Mac couldn't have an ARM processor (or an iPad an x86 processor). However the change from PowerPC to Intel processors, while causing some pain for Mac users at the time was a big boon for getting new customers who needed to run Windows applications as well. And there was a major gain in performance. Windows emulation on the PowerPC was horrid. Changing to an ARM has no upside. Might save Apple a few dollars, but Apple customers are not really price sensitive! Would you buy a Mac that was $50 less if it didn't run any of your software?
I own 8 Macs and another is on the way, but those would be my last if Apple switched to ARM.
Glad to see the
There is no engineering reason a Mac couldn't have an ARM processor (or an iPad an x86 processor). However the change from PowerPC to Intel processors, while causing some pain for Mac users at the time was a big boon for getting new customers who needed to run Windows applications as well. And there was a major gain in performance. Windows emulation on the PowerPC was horrid. Changing to an ARM has no upside. Might save Apple a few dollars, but Apple customers are not really price sensitive!
Apples new ARM chips are becoming very powerful. In 5 years these chips will surpass x86. Their time is coming and soon. Just saying.
You will assimilate.
Which is why the x86 Mac is two iOS versions away from irrelevancy.
The Mac is still profitable only because there are people still left that will give Apple a premium for low spec PC hardware. Judging by the number of post here recommending used Macs, I'd say that number isn't growing.
Looking at the chart I posted above, in 1Q 2014, the Mac accounted for least amount of revenue for Apple by percentage ever.
No question that it is a smaller piece of the pie, but look at this -- it's growing and in a shrinking over-all market. http://www.statista.com/statistics/263428/apples-revenue-from-macintosh-computers-since-first-quarter-2006/
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You will assimilate.
More likely I'll join the dark side -- Windows 10 (11? 12?) on a Dell.
I'm already upset that I can't open Pages files created prior to 2009 yet can still open WordPerfect files I created on Windows back in the 1980's. Would Windows 10 really be that bad?
I've been using the Windows Technical 10 review up untill the last release that crashed Parallels 10. It's good and bad. It's mostly back to desktop keyboard /mouse structure with modern UI mixed in but it's still Windows with a lot of virus attacks and wants to constantly update.
This is why I moved to OSX and is why I will use OSX as my primary OS for a desktop.
It may get better but will always constantly update and you have to keep the virus apps updated.
This a milion times. Most of the internal hardware is the same as windows box's use, with the exception of the motherboard, and it's the os that makes a mac. Take away the os and that ends it.
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Dell, noooo. I got a laptop from Dell in 08 and it was replaced in a year do to problems and their inability to fix them, garbage. They gave me a new one ans I HAVE had it 5 years, but I have replaced everything but the processor, bluetooth card and memory. Everything else has failed or fell apart, the case is really flimsy .
Xoticpc. A loaded sager for around 1000.00 us. I am ordering a 15" macbook pro from telmex, but if going windows it would be sager. The wife is getting one instead of a macbook pro.
Yes but the relevancy theme is a common one used by forum posters who assume they know what Apple is thinking. Look at the relevancy of the Corvette in the the Chevrolet product line. By its numbers the Corvette should have been gone decades ago if tiny percent equals lack of relevancy.
Another comparison might be HP's Z line compared to total HP sales. Just because a product line has a relatively small percent of company sales does not mean that it is irrelevant. Only Apple can tell us how relevant the Mac line, and in particular the Mac Pro and mini lines are and they ain't a talkin'.
Due in large part to the halo effect from iOS devices.
However, over the past 3 or 4 years, the numbers haven't really grown.
You see some spikes in the Q4, but that's it.
It's the total revenue the Mac generates by percentage that will keep it relevant, not total numbers.
And, that has continuously shrunk since 2007.
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There are plenty of Chevy model vehicles that are no longer with us today.
Also, you give the Mac too much credit comparing it to a Corvette.
My custom PC is more like a Corvette - fast, upgradable, and not too expensive compared to what else is really out there.
The Mac is more like an expensive dress that Paris Hilton would buy.
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Glad to see the
There is no engineering reason a Mac couldn't have an ARM processor (or an iPad an x86 processor). However the change from PowerPC to Intel processors, while causing some pain for Mac users at the time was a big boon for getting new customers who needed to run Windows applications as well. And there was a major gain in performance. Windows emulation on the PowerPC was horrid. Changing to an ARM has no upside. Might save Apple a few dollars, but Apple customers are not really price sensitive! Would you buy a Mac that was $50 less if it didn't run any of your software?
I own 8 Macs and another is on the way, but those would be my last if Apple switched to ARM.
If Apple start selling out ARM-based mac hardware with touchscreen capabilty that will run the IOS apps that people already have e.g. iWork, then existing customers will probably go along for the ride.
Great chart... so Macs have gone from about 50% of apple's business to about 10%. Interesting to see that even the ipads beat out the macs. I don't think Macs are going anywhere, but apple doesn't have any incentive to do anything innovative or even be consumer friendly. The direction is obvious: desktops that are not upgradable, everything sealed and disposable. OSX updates every year with tons of bugs and slowdowns on older hardware. Of course they will still talk up how "environmentally friendly" they are. Sad really.
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I welcome ARM Macs... I will likely switch to Windows 10 for my work computer, but I think an ARM macbook with retina screen would be a fantastic light/thin/small portable to answer emails and be online.
Your right about Macs going nowhere......nothing new and innovative......nothing new and innovative......yawn.
Yep, there just isn't any incentive. PC market is shrinking every year. Look at IBM, they sold off their Thinkpad brand years ago... smart move. It's a race to the bottom with most of the manufacturers. At least with apple you get a little nicer hardware (but non-upgradable), but they know people will buy if they just make it look pretty.
I suspect a big part of apple's gains in the PC market come from emerging markets (China, etc). Credit is becoming widely available there and no one learned a thing from the rest of the world about cheap credit. Eventually that'll come crashing down too.
ARM based and IOS type apps are becoming more viable as an alternative to x86 in business, art, and gaming.
Cheap to manufacture with innovative CPU/GPU engineering and plenty of power to satisfy 90% of desktop and mobile needs plus plenty of developers that will code IOS rather then OS X apps.
I love OS X but I see a dying need for it in future market.
Windows is suffering the same thing with less demand for x86 PCs.
What everyone ignores is this:
Radio did not disappear because of TV.
I want the attorney to type my legal documents with a keyboard and mouse, not some silly virtual keyboard. PRODUCTIVITY, folks.
IOS is not ALWAYS the best answer. And for those times, keyboard and mouse please.
I am backing up the truck and buying my favorite tech company... Intel.
And voice has come a long way. And yet still has a long way to go.
Radio did not disappear because of TV.
I want the attorney to type my legal documents with a keyboard and mouse, not some silly virtual keyboard. PRODUCTIVITY, folks.
IOS is not ALWAYS the best answer. And for those times, keyboard and mouse please.
I am backing up the truck and buying my favorite tech company... Intel.
And voice has come a long way. And yet still has a long way to go.
If all you are using the ARM macbook for is answering emails and be online you might as well be using an iPad. I agree about Windows 10 if Apple makes this move.