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I've been using Macs since 1988, but I haven't seen anything truly inspiring or must-have come out of Apple since the iPhone, and I don't own an iPhone. But when MS revealed the Surface Studio, my jaw dropped. Where did Microsoft find the inspiration to build a product like that? And, more importantly, why didn't Apple do it first?

I know the answer: smart phones.

Apple scored so big with the iPhone that almost all of their attention now is focused on iOS products. But Microsoft's phone flopped, so their attention is focused on PCs.

What this means is that iOS products are the enemy of macOS products, and the only way we're going to start seeing real Macintosh innovation again is if Apple's iPhone business crashes and burns.

Of this I am certain.

So if you care about the Mac, stop buying iPhones. Really.

Lolz! I think many people on this forum have expectations set up in the clouds. You don't think there is any attention given to desktops? Compare your Mac from 1988 to the one you're using today.

Apple had a patent for what Microsoft delivered with the Studio but mustn't have thought it was worth taking to market. You want my opinion, the Studio isn't an inspired product. It's an attempt to be the first mover in the graphic designer market. Like you said, MS lost the phone battle and are now attempting to be the first movers in emerging areas. Will the gamble pay off? Who knows, but I will give Microsoft credit for finally no longer trying to follow Apples lead.

I use a Surface at work and it sucks as a tablet, too heavy and gets too hot. As a mini laptop its OK but I'm not a fan of Windows as a desktop OS anymore.

I'd suggest a different tack to you, if you want to see future innovation in Apple desktops and laptops, show them your support by buying the latest models.
 
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Just a normative rant. I could post a video based on my opinions on why Microsoft sucks.

But then you wouldn't be acting honestly would you? Perhaps post Trump that no longer matters?
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Lolz! I think many people on this forum have expectations set up in the clouds. You don't think there is any attention given to desktops? Compare your Mac from 1988 to the one you're using today.

Apple had a patent for what Microsoft delivered with the Studio but mustn't have thought it was worth taking to market. You want my opinion, the Studio isn't an inspired product. It's an attempt to be the first mover in the graphic designer market. Like you said, MS lost the phone battle and are now attempting to be the first movers in emerging areas. Will the gamble pay off? Who knows, but I will give Microsoft credit for finally no longer trying to follow Apples lead.

I use a Surface at work and it sucks as a tablet, too heavy and gets too hot. As a mini laptop its OK but I'm not a fan of Windows as a desktop OS anymore.

I'd suggest a different tack to you, if you want to see future innovation in Apple desktops and laptops, show them your support by buying the latest models.

Their "latests models" have grey whiskers they are that old. Have you been off-world or something? :rolleyes:
 
But then you wouldn't be acting honestly would you? Perhaps post Trump that no longer matters?

Actually, given that Trump wants to "open up the libel laws", making disparaging remarks about any person or organization rich enough to hire lawyers may soon get you in jail...
 
I use a Surface at work and it sucks as a tablet, too heavy and gets too hot. As a mini laptop its OK but I'm not a fan of Windows as a desktop OS anymore.

Well at least it has a proper desktop OS for productive work not a sub-par mobile OS like the iPad Pro.
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Actually, given that Trump wants to "open up the libel laws", making disparaging remarks about any person or organization rich enough to hire lawyers may soon get you in jail...

Oh I think I'll risk it. Note I didn't accuse any one person, simply a general concept.
 
I really hope Apple doesn't see the Mac mini in the same light as the airport.

After all you can buy stuff from the AppStore via a mini and iTunes plus the obviously healthy profit off each one sold.

Save our mini's :(
 
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The news about the Airport routers and Airport Express is a bit of a shock. That being said, perhaps Apple will consider a more profitable move to lower the entry bar to the Mac Pro and create more volume sales in that area with some bits from the iMac bin.

They could then dispense with the Mini which they have always admitted is less profitable for them.
 
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if you want to see future innovation in Apple desktops and laptops, show them your support by buying the latest models.

I bought a 2012 Mac Mini, and the next model was gutted. So how about “no”?
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Lolz! I think many people on this forum have expectations set up in the clouds. You don't think there is any attention given to desktops? Compare your Mac from 1988 to the one you're using today.

Apple had a patent for what Microsoft delivered with the Studio but mustn't have thought it was worth taking to market. You want my opinion, the Studio isn't an inspired product. It's an attempt to be the first mover in the graphic designer market. Like you said, MS lost the phone battle and are now attempting to be the first movers in emerging areas. Will the gamble pay off? Who knows, but I will give Microsoft credit for finally no longer trying to follow Apples lead.

I use a Surface at work and it sucks as a tablet, too heavy and gets too hot. As a mini laptop its OK but I'm not a fan of Windows as a desktop OS anymore.

I'd suggest a different tack to you, if you want to see future innovation in Apple desktops and laptops, show them your support by buying the latest models.

Let me guess: you have an iPhone.
 
Awwwww shiet...... you got me man.

I just wanted you to say it.

Psychologically, iPhone users can't accept that Apple's neglect of the Mac platform is their fault. That's why you suggested that the way to encourage future innovation of the Mac platform is for Mac users to buy the latest Mac models even though the latest models reflect Apple's lack of focus and interest in the platform, a thing which should not be rewarded. In reality, the way to encourage future innovation of the Mac platform is for Mac users to stop buying iPhones.
 
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I just wanted you to say it.

Psychologically, iPhone users can't accept that Apple's neglect of the Mac platform is their fault. That's why you suggested that the way to encourage future innovation of the Mac platform is for Mac users to buy the latest Mac models even though the latest models reflect Apple's lack of focus and interest in the platform, a thing which should not be rewarded. In reality, the way to encourage future innovation of the Mac platform is for Mac users to stop buying iPhones.

I did just that - now an Android user and especially happy. :)
 
I just wanted you to say it.

Psychologically, iPhone users can't accept that Apple's neglect of the Mac platform is their fault. That's why you suggested that the way to encourage future innovation of the Mac platform is for Mac users to buy the latest Mac models even though the latest models reflect Apple's lack of focus and interest in the platform, a thing which should not be rewarded. In reality, the way to encourage future innovation of the Mac platform is for Mac users to stop buying iPhones.


That's beyond funny but in a way it's very true ... I ask myself - "do I need a new machine when I currently own 3 Mini's - is there anything I NEED to do that I can't do - is there any feature that is a must have like Siri or the Cloud?" In truth "No" I have no need for more speed or features - so why should I be compelled to buy a new machine - really - why should I care?

That's the only area where fault can be implied on the part of the customer.
 
Psychologically, iPhone users can't accept that Apple's neglect of the Mac platform is their fault. That's why you suggested that the way to encourage future innovation of the Mac platform is for Mac users to buy the latest Mac models even though the latest models reflect Apple's lack of focus and interest in the platform, a thing which should not be rewarded. In reality, the way to encourage future innovation of the Mac platform is for Mac users to stop buying iPhones.[/QUOTE]

Many people have macs because they bought iPhones. Not long after the iPhone was introduced, i looked out into classrooms full of shining apple logos, so I'm guessing I wasn't alone. My path: iPod, iPhone, iPad, oh why not - 13" MacBook Pro. If I start giving up on Apple, it will go in reverse, starting with giving up on Apple computers (but maybe not on mac os). Apple is selling a lot of computers because of the iPhone. The iPhone isn't stopping Apple from doing anything, it produces enough income for them to be able to do just about anything, but they don't seem to want to put much into computers these days.
 
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Many people have macs because they bought iPhones. Not long after the iPhone was introduced, i looked out into classrooms full of shining apple logos, so I'm guessing I wasn't alone. My path: iPod, iPhone, iPad, oh why not - 13" MacBook Pro. If I start giving up on Apple, it will go in reverse, starting with giving up on Apple computers (but maybe not on mac os). Apple is selling a lot of computers because of the iPhone. The iPhone isn't stopping Apple from doing anything, it produces enough income for them to be able to do just about anything, but they don't seem to want to put much into computers these days.

The reverse is more true: many people bought iPhones because they were Mac users. I'd guess that millions of Mac owners bought iPhones. iPhone users buying Macs? Not so much. It's Apple fanboys that make up the bulk of iPhone sales.
 
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It's Apple fanboys that make up the bulk of iPhone sales.

I disagree with this one, it would make more sense that Apple fanboys would make up bulk of the Mac sales not iPhones as Macs require adjustment in order to use it versus the easier more compliant windows but iPhones are just thought of whenever anyone wants a smartphone regardless.
 
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Consider the base rates. How many people own iPhones? How many own apple computers?

So iPhone users aren't buying Macs. At least not in any appreciable number. My argument stands.
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But there aren't a billion iPhone users. A lot of fanboys buying every new iteration of the iPhone. I stand by my argument.
 
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