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Keep on buying those 5400 spinners. Apple loves you. And good luck to you all trying to be productive with that iPad with no mouse. That one change would bring in many that would like to use iPad but cannot due to lack of precise control.
 
When Apple and the bean counter CEO are concentrated on market share of IOS, iPhone and iPads as the gold mine along with supporting services - iCloud, Apple Pay, iTunes and App store, there is little room and resources left for traditional computers except for laptops.
Respectfully disagree. It doesn't take a nation, to update three lines of desktop computers, with all parts being manufactured by other companies. AMD has 1/7th the number of employees as Apple, yet they are overseeing a dual fight against behemoths in Intel and Nvidia.

It's just that Tim doesn't WANT to focus on computers. It's a world of difference.
 
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And good luck to you all trying to be productive with that iPad with no mouse. That one change would bring in many that would like to use iPad but cannot due to lack of precise control.

Um, really? The iPad is a content consumption device, not a content creation device. If you want to be productive, get a real computer, not an iPad.
 
Respectfully disagree. It doesn't take a nation, to update three lines od desktop computers, with all parts being manufactured by other companies. AMD has 1/7th the number of employees as Apple, yet they are overseeing a dual fight against behemoths in Intel and Nvidia.

It's just that Tim doesn't WANT to focus on computers. It's a world of difference.
I could have said just not enough return on investment for Tim.
 
Um, really? The iPad is a content consumption device, not a content creation device. If you want to be productive, get a real computer, not an iPad.

Apple doesn't view the iPad this way. I just saw another new commercial from Apple today that touts it as a computer replacement. It already can use a keyboard and stylus. After it gets a usb-c port, usb-c charging hub (multi-port output), and software support for usb keyboards, mice, monitors, external storage, etc, it's a full computer.

Think that's a long way down the road? The Samsung Galaxy S8 is supposed to have that this year...

Apple has decided that MacOS won't be allowed to compete with iOS. Under $1000, the Air is basically already gone, with the 13" hanging on for just a little while longer. The Mini also competes under $1000, so Apple also has to get rid of it. Apple has already disbanded the MacOS development group, merging them into iOS development. That's as close to proof as you're going to get that Apple is winding down MacOS operations

My guess is that MacOS has 3 more years, then Apple will shut down all development completely and simply sell the (then current) MBP and iMac designs for as long a people buy them, much like they're doing with the Mini & MP right now
 
Apple doesn't view the iPad this way. I just saw another new commercial from Apple today that touts it as a computer replacement. It already can use a keyboard and stylus. After it gets a usb-c port, usb-c charging hub (multi-port output), and software support for usb keyboards, mice, monitors, external storage, etc, it's a full computer.

Oh! Hey, I've been using usb keyboards on my Android (and other) portable devices for many years now. Stuff like external hard drives and even oddities like a USB laser scanner, too; USB-OTG is a wonderful thing!

Of course, you need software that was designed to use these odds & ends. Since I can run Linux on those devices, and therefore can run full-blown desktop applications that have undergone years of thought into their design & implementation, I have no problem using these devices as portable content creation devices.

But on iOS? Doesn't seem to me like Apple has put a lot of emphasis on getting developers to port desktop-class software to the OS. Actually, seems to me that they've done what they could to force developers into using their touch-based GUI. I just don't think Apple seems really enthusiastic about moving iOS down that road...
 
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If you read the iPad forum, you would see that so many are really frustrated because they wold LIKE to do Tim's bidding and use iPad for their primary machine. But there are like just those few times when a mouse is really necessary that they cannot make the move and end up going back to a laptop.

I get it, but Tim Cook started this whole stupid thing by saying that the iPad is the only computer anyone will ever need in the future. He is insane.
 
If fingers were as accurate as mice.Tim might have a point,
and everyone's penmanship is awful these days, so those atomic pencils are pretty much useless and as easy to lose as an earPod. Six to twelve inch no tactile feedback keyboards are no one's friend either.
 
If fingers were as accurate as mice.Tim might have a point,
and everyone's penmanship is awful these days, so those atomic pencils are pretty much useless and as easy to lose as an earPod. Six to twelve inch no tactile feedback keyboards are no one's friend either.

So nice when someone gets it :)
 
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Six to twelve inch no tactile feedback keyboards are no one's friend either.
Yep. Tried to use that style once or twice. Just doesn't work for me. OK for a short text or tweet, but nothing more substantial.

Maybe that is because I grew up in the pre-personal computer age, and learned to type on a mechanical typewriter. Or maybe because tactile feedback is essential.

I strongly suspect that it is the latter. Our brains are not isolated abstractions, they evolved to interact with the outside world, and need ongoing feedback from it to function properly.
 
One thing would fix the iPad. Mouse support.
So doesn't the Apple Pencil fill that need?

Does Apple really expect things like video editing and 3D CAD to be done on an iPad? So instead of being at work sitting at a desk you would be at a coffee shop on a couch?
 
Does Apple really expect things like video editing and 3D CAD to be done on an iPad? So instead of being at work sitting at a desk you would be at a coffee shop on a couch?

That is a very good question. Given that Apple has been putting intense amount of effort into their iPads, and almost nothing at all into their Macs (certainly not their Mac Pro or Mini, and very little into their iMac), I'd have to wonder about this as well. Maybe they do expect those things to get done on the iPad. Or maybe, they just don't expect people to do video editing or 3D CAD on Apple products at all in the future...
 
Hopefully what Apple is doing next is to redefine the workstation/workplace as they have already redefined the home. The iPad is only part of the workplace solution do maybe they envision a Macbook with external GPU/CPUs.
 
First - there's no excuse for not making a statement about a product-line and its future especially when there's been a track record of upgrades, updates and reconfigured new models.

Entire segments (music - media industry) have been led to the cliff - with no word they hang there waiting to be picked off by the competition or forever hope a bridge is built to the other side as the technology and advancement stall. Apple "not making a statement" is the cheesy part.

Apple maintained a "classy" recognition for packaging, product and delivery! How can they simply forget "why" we chose Apple - How can they act as if "there's no reason to say anything" - it gets me thinking if I ever want to be "owned" again.
 
First - there's no excuse for not making a statement about a product-line and its future especially when there's been a track record of upgrades, updates and reconfigured new models.

Entire segments (music - media industry) have been led to the cliff - with no word they hang there waiting to be picked off by the competition or forever hope a bridge is built to the other side as the technology and advancement stall. Apple "not making a statement" is the cheesy part.

Apple maintained a "classy" recognition for packaging, product and delivery! How can they simply forget "why" we chose Apple - How can they act as if "there's no reason to say anything" - it gets me thinking if I ever want to be "owned" again.

The disrespect to us as the customers that keep them in business is sad. See my sig. So glad I switched. Because I can be productive in the manner in which I have been trained whilst I am watching all the drama not unfold on this forum :)

Seriously considering Google Pixel Two for my next phone.
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So doesn't the Apple Pencil fill that need?

Does Apple really expect things like video editing and 3D CAD to be done on an iPad? So instead of being at work sitting at a desk you would be at a coffee shop on a couch?

Usually I need to login to complex dashboards for DNS, cpanel, hosting needs. Never tried the pencil. It may be OK. But mouse works for me, and you know the bastards could turn it on if they wanted to, no big deal, yes?
 
you know the bastards could turn it on if they wanted to, no big deal, yes?

Ah, well, the thing is that using a mouse implies that there exists an interface appropriate to the use of a mouse. That means a pointer must exist on the screen, and user-interface widgets appropriate to mice must also exist -- mechanisms like double-clicking, drag-to-select, drop-down menus, tool-tips on hovering the pointer and such are replaced in iOS by stuff like long-press, pinch-to-zoom, swipes, edge-swipes, and multi-finger swipes. The applications written for iOS just aren't optimized to work with mice...
 
In June of 2010, myself, along with countless other MR enthusiasts were grinding out teeth over when the next MacPro was going to come out. I urgently needed one too for a job I just got. Over 650 days had passed since the last update.

MR threads were awash with endless moaning & groaning & whining & bitching when the next MP would drop (it dropped in July). I clearly remember reading many threads as I too waited and the overall feeling was that Steve Jobs should step down and leave (he was still with us back then) because he wasn't "giving us what we want". MR members' posts were as hostile towards him almost as much as they are hostile towards the current CEO.

Times haven't changed much in that regard, except that now it's been almost 1200 days.
 
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Ah, well, the thing is that using a mouse implies that there exists an interface appropriate to the use of a mouse. That means a pointer must exist on the screen, and user-interface widgets appropriate to mice must also exist -- mechanisms like double-clicking, drag-to-select, drop-down menus, tool-tips on hovering the pointer and such are replaced in iOS by stuff like long-press, pinch-to-zoom, swipes, edge-swipes, and multi-finger swipes. The applications written for iOS just aren't optimized to work with mice...

Points well taken. I guess I must try the pen. It might work.
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See that you get one with a working microphone.

I fully intent for it to have that. And a working battery too :) And a beautiful AMOLED screen. And a kick ass camera.
 
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