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Thing is, if they were going to delete the Mac mini with M1 Pro and M1 Max then why not completely discontinue the Intel mini altogether when the M1 Mini comes out? It might make sense if the Mini moves to a new form factor for the M2 CPU but it doesn't make much sense to keep the Intel mini around for a year unless some sort of 'Intel stability' was required at the time of the unproven technology until people learned to trust the ARM technology.

If this so-called "Intel stability" was needed, then why were there no carry-over Intel models on all the laptops that switched to Apple silicon...?

We're also talking about Apple who cancelled the popular quad core 2012 Mac mini model because they would not budget to develop a second motherboard for the Haswell Intel mobile series CPU which had a different socket mount.

That makes no sense... Obviously Apple did develop a mobo for the dual core Haswell CPUs, because that is what was in the 2014 Mac mini desktops...

With the Mac mini a lower profit line why would Apple develop a secondary case and presumably a secondary motherboard to house the M1 Pro and M1 Max CPU? This effectively splits the Mini line in two. My feeling is that M1 Pro and Max models get used in

Get used in...? Get used in what...?!?

We have multiple chassis models for the MscBook Pro laptops...

We have multiple chassis models for the iMac desktops...

Heck, we could have multiple chassis models for the Mac Pro for a year or so; Mac Pro 7.1 (Intel Cheesegrater 2.0) & Mac Pro 8.1 (ASi Cube)...

Why not a smaller and/or slimmer Mac mini chassis for the low-end Mn-series SoCs, and the current chassis for the Mn Pro/Max-series SoCs...?

There will be a new Mac mini form factor with M2 and probably M1 Pro/Max options. There will also be a bigger Mac Pro. But there will be nothing in between. The bigger Mac Pro would get the 2 x M1 Max and 4 x M1 Max SoC options. I don’t know if the Mac Pro could get a 1 x M1 Max SoC option too but my guess is no. If you want the Mac Pro ports and design then you have to get at least the 2 x M1 Max SoC.

A smaller/slimmer Mac mini chassis might be fine for the Mn-series SoCs, but will not cut it for the Mn Pro/Max-series SoCs...!

The current chassis is already developed, no need to throw it out with the bath water...

A new chassis for the Mn-series SoCs makes sense; smaller chassis with a rainbow of color options for the consumer desktop (like the 24" iMac desktop & the forthcoming new MacBook laptop), and Silver/Space Gray for the prosumer desktop (like the MBP laptops & the forthcoming 27" iMac Pro)...

The smaller chassis will be the Mac mini & the larger (current) chassis will be the Mac mini Pro...!
 
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My assumption is they simply wanted to minimize cable management, and combining Ethernet and power into one cable is pretty genius IMO. Having it be magnetic is just Apple being extra because why not.
There is just no depth in the M1 iMac case for an Ethernet port. So they had to come up with a special solution like this or dump that port altogether.
 
A magnetic or USB power cable for a desktop is ridiculous.
If it IS accidently pulled out, it's not good for your Mac, you may as well just flick off the switch at the plug (without shutting down).

Laptops are fine, having a battery.
There is just no depth in the M1 iMac case for an Ethernet port. So they had to come up with a special solution like this or dump that port altogether.
My assumption is they simply wanted to minimize cable management, and combining Ethernet and power into one cable is pretty genius IMO. Having it be magnetic is just Apple being extra because why not.
I don't think an IEC or figure-8 power cable is any more secure in place than an USB c cable. However, thinking you're unplugging a peripheral and actually unplugging the power would be unfortunate. That could be solved by positioning it away from the other USB c ports though. The ethernet addition for the iMac seems purely a way of achieving thinness, kind of like the headphone jack moving to the side, although I'd argue that's also an ergonomic improvement too.

We have multiple chassis models for the MscBook Pro laptops...

We have multiple chassis models for the iMac desktops...
That's a valid point, but both of those models have different chassis because of the screen size. The MacBook Pro now has parity of performance between 14" and 16". They also have the advantage of volume sales; I don't know if there is a break down available from quarterly earnings, but I imagine the MacBook and iMac line ups account for 75%+ of Mac sales.
 
If this so-called "Intel stability" was needed, then why were there no carry-over Intel models on all the laptops that switched to Apple silicon...?
The Mac mini is still an entry level model - who knows why Apple kept one on Intel but lets remember it's the only model using Coffee Lake desktop CPUs.

That makes no sense... Obviously Apple did develop a mobo for the dual core Haswell CPUs, because that is what was in the 2014 Mac mini desktops...
The point here was obvious. Haswell motherboard chipsets could not accommodate dual core and quad core CPUs on the same socket (unlike Ivy Bridge from the 2012 models). The solution would have been to engineer two distinct motherboards and split the SKUs. Apple instead chose to go down the dual core only route with the 2014 mini which along with the soldered in RAM and storage issues really cheesed off the Mac mini community at the time. Remember no major redesign for 2012, 2014, and 2018 either - no engineering design resources spent despite the years of reports of video issues alongside the wifi and bluetooth.

The evidence here is that Apple make less money on the Mini so they are less inclined to spend more money on the line. Perhaps the introduction of M1 has given Apple the incentive to do something but their 'limited' design engineering resources have been spread thin with iMac 24 (for example).

Get used in...? Get used in what...?!?

We have multiple chassis models for the MscBook Pro laptops...

We have multiple chassis models for the iMac desktops...

Heck, we could have multiple chassis models for the Mac Pro for a year or so; Mac Pro 7.1 (Intel Cheesegrater 2.0) & Mac Pro 8.1 (ASi Cube)...

Why not a smaller and/or slimmer Mac mini chassis for the low-end Mn-series SoCs, and the current chassis for the Mn Pro/Max-series SoCs...?
I usually write 3-4 pars at once, so I may not have finished the sentence there - and moving from page to page in a thread sometimes loses part of a partially written reply. Anyway, I can't see Apple doing THREE headless desktop cases over and above the two that are around now:

NOW
Intel Mac Pro
M1 Mac mini (2018 Intel Mac mini is a carry over)

UNLIKELY SCENARIO during 2022
M1 Max Duo/Quad Mac Pro (smaller case)
M1 Pro/Max medium size case
M2 thin case

MY SUGGESTION
M1 Pro/Max/Max Duo/Max Quad (smaller case)
M2 thin case

A smaller/slimmer Mac mini chassis might be fine for the Mn-series SoCs, but will not cut it for the Mn Pro/Max-series SoCs...!

The current chassis is already developed, no need to throw it out with the bath water...

A new chassis for the Mn-series SoCs makes sense; smaller chassis with a rainbow of color options for the consumer desktop (like the 24" iMac desktop & the forthcoming new MacBook laptop), and Silver/Space Gray for the prosumer desktop (like the MBP laptops & the forthcoming 27" iMac Pro)...

The smaller chassis will be the Mac mini & the larger (current) chassis will be the Mac mini Pro...!
The current chassis has some wifi/bluetooth issues which Apple must be aware of by now but it doesn't affect a large enough number of people. That's why this chassis will probably be on the to-do list for Apple to get rid of.

That and I have a feeling that it'll be an edge case for cooling if Apple throw in an M1 Max CPU into it. This will inevitably mean additional fan noise (not a great experience). And Apple have to fit in extra Thunderbolt ports and probably a lack of SD card slot might become and issue too.

Far better to put the upper SKU ARM Mini product into the Mac Pro case where sufficient cooling will make it silent.
 
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The current chassis has some wifi/bluetooth issues which Apple must be aware of by now but it doesn't affect a large enough number of people. That's why this chassis will probably be on the to-do list for Apple to get rid of.

That and I have a feeling that it'll be an edge case for cooling if Apple throw in an M1 Max CPU into it. This will inevitably mean additional fan noise (not a great experience). And Apple have to fit in extra Thunderbolt ports and probably a lack of SD card slot might become and issue too.

Far better to put the upper SKU ARM Mini product into the Mac Pro case where sufficient cooling will make it silent.
The problem with that theory is that Apple prices the Mac Pros in a completely different tier, and I wouldn't expect that to change. It doesn't really make much sense from a marketing point of view to have a M1 Max Mac Pro as the only M1 Max option, unless you think Apple is suddenly going to start selling $1799 Mac Pros in 2022. A $1599 M1 Pro Mac Pro seems even less likely.

It should be noted that the current cheapest Mac Pro is $5999.

Furthermore, putting an M1 Max in a Mac mini would reduce fan noise drastically compared to the Intel models, even if they reduced the enclosure size somewhat.
 
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The problem with that theory is that Apple prices the Mac Pros in a completely different tier, and I wouldn't expect that to change. It doesn't really make much sense from a marketing point of view to have a M1 Max Mac Pro as the only M1 Max option, unless you think Apple is suddenly going to start selling $1799 Mac Pros in 2022. And are you really going to separate the form factors for M1 Pro vs M1 Max? That doesn't make sense either.

It should be noted that the current cheapest Mac Pro is $5999.

Furthermore, putting an M1 Max in a Mac mini would reduce fan noise drastically compared to the Intel models, even if they reduced the enclosure size somewhat.
Yes but the 2019 Mac Pro uses Intel Xeon CPUs that cost absolute fortunes. You can expect Apple to apply some sort of premium to the M1 Max Duo and Quad but it can't cost that much unless Apple throw in gads of standard RAM to justify the price.

Even the logical move towards a more compact case because the cooling solution doesn't need to be as high spec any more works against the notion that the ARM Mac Pro has to start at $5999 as you say.

This is why I would suggest that a Mac Pro could actually use the M1 Pro/Max CPUs as entry level SKUs to upsell people from high spec M1 Minis. Especially people who work in a studio environment who need silent machines or folks who have just gotten used to the silence and will pay a premium for that kind of performance. The 'Mac Pro' could start at with generous base specs - eg 32Gb RAM and 1Tb storage - meaning it's not budget cheap - but is potentially more affordable than the Intel pro.

Let's put it this way - the Duo and Quad models could be space grey while the M1 Pro and Max models could be standard silver.

Just look at the way that Apple priced up the M1 Mac mini which replaced the Intel mini - that makes more sense and it would be very easy for Apple to then dish up an M1 Pro/Max combination for the same case. The upper SKU uses an i5 SKU which isn't much more expensive than the i3 model which the M1 Mini replaced.

But then you look at the 'leaked' designs showing a polycarbonate topped AppleTV Mark 1 style redesign of the Mini which makes it thinner. This surely makes for a value computing proposition if it's M2 only because the danger here is that sticking an M1 Max in that will make it too noisy under load.
 
This is why I would suggest that a Mac Pro could actually use the M1 Pro/Max CPUs as entry level SKUs to upsell people from high spec M1 Minis. Especially people who work in a studio environment who need silent machines or folks who have just gotten used to the silence and will pay a premium for that kind of performance.
Well, we've already done the math, based on real world products. The current 14" MacBook Pro M1 Max occupies a much, much smaller volume than the current Mac mini enclosure, with much of that MacBook Pro's space taken up by the screen, keyboard, trackpad, and battery, yet people are not up in arms about fan noise for even the 14" MacBook Pro.

Basically, if you exclude all those extra components in the MacBook Pro, then the M1 Max, mobo, and fans are likely occupying less than half the volume of the current Mac mini.
 
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Well, we've already done the math, based on real world products. The current 14" MacBook Pro M1 Max occupies a much, much smaller volume than the current Mac mini enclosure, with much of that MacBook Pro's space taken up by the screen, keyboard, trackpad, and battery, yet people are not up in arms about fan noise for even the 14" MacBook Pro.

Basically, if you exclude all those extra components in the MacBook Pro, then the M1X, mobo, and fans are likely occupying less than half the volume of the current Mac mini.
Yeah but what if you're rendering something for hours on end? Has anyone done soak tests on renders that take all day? Or audio work in a studio? That's what the pros will be up to and I doubt they'd be happy if a 'base' model super thin Mac mini couldn't be flogged all day for hours on end while keeping cool and quiet.

Let's also not forget marketing segmentation decisions too - Apple could simply choose to exclude the M1 Max from the upper SKU mini and allow the ARM Mac Pro to be an M1 Max only product - be it single CPU, dual CPU, or quad CPU. In fact, that could be your good, better, best right there...

The only question now is does splitting it that way mean more engineering resources and costs as far as motherboard chipsets go? And what do you do with the assumed staggered release dates for these CPUs? They aren't all coming out at once as far as I can see.

I could see the M2 coming out in October and populating the relevant Macs, and most subsequent Macs would have a single CPU variant within (be it M1, M2 or M1 Pro/Max, or M1 Max/Duo/Quad) but allowing the Mini to have an M1/M1 Pro/Max option only makes sense in one of two ways:

1. Case redesign with M1/M1 Pro (possibly M1 Max) options by WWDC.
But why would Apple redesign the case and yet stick M1 SKUs with the same old chipset?

2. Case redesign with M2/M2 Pro (Possibly M2 Max) somewhere between October 2022 and WWDC 2023.
That's some delay - keeping the old M1 Mini on life support for months (nothing new there!)

In both cases we're talking about syncing up 2 different CPU SKUs where the 1st generation M CPUs were released a year apart and the replacement for the M1 coming up probably later this year but with no sign of M2 Pro and M2 Max for potentially a year after that. It just doesn't make sense for the Mini now to encompass both CPUs.

The emerging pattern here appears to suggest M1/M2/M3 coming out in the second half of even years with subsequent products being released in the following 9-12 months (staggering due to to design workload and marketing).

The M1 Pro/Max CPUs appear in the second half of odd years with products released into in the following 9-12 months.

Obviously it seems like a tick-tock thing and easy to see Apple shifting to a 2 year strategy between products where the stat leaps are big, Intel and AMD are struggling to keep up, and product is nicely spaced out.

And on this basis, each Apple product makes sense until you reach the Mac mini - the clamour to now fit the M1 Pro and M1 Max to a product that has M1 SKUs from over a year ago is now weird when you consider that M2 and M2 Pro/Max might have a similar 1 year gap between them.

As mentioned elsewhere, Apple could put out that 'xMac' with middle grade M1 Pro and M1 Max CPUs on the 'Pro' track. But I don't think it's feasible for Apple to split their smaller desktop market into 3 products where 2 have struggled for meaningful updates.

And this is where I believe that Apple is making the Mini case smaller to cater for the M2 CPU only, leaving the Pro and Max variants for a more compact (and affordable) entry level Mac Pro.

So my forecast could see the Mini 'stagnating' in its current M1 form until October 2022 when the slim redesign with M2 only options comes out.

I believe the Intel Mini will be discontinued at WWDC 2022 when the ARM Mac Pro comes out. Yes, the base model will probably start higher than people expected but let's imagine the M1 Pro and M1 Max models starting with at least 16Gb RAM and 512Gb storage for these tiers while M1 Max Duo and M1 Max Quad start with 32Gb RAM and 1Tb SSD. In fact, why not have all Max models specced up with 32Gb/1Tb while the 'entry level' Pro models start with 16/512.

I'll leave the prices off the here because various people will try and low-ball it but the case will be something that will have well engineered cooling scenarios to the point where superior cooling keeps this machine silent under 24/7 hammer.

Worst case scenario? Apple simply don't offer M1 Pro in headless desktops - leaving the Mac Pro with all Max CPUs and the Mini with just M2 CPUs.
 
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Apple doesn't have a strong incentive to make the mac mini "worse" than the MacBook Pro either. If the M1 Max mac mini was marginally better in full sustained loads, it's not like a bunch of MacBook Pro users are suddenly going to buy a mini. You likely got the notebook or a desktop because of the form factor.

Also as a side note and something related to the mac mini discussion, I think Apples new rumored consumer displays are going to be a perfect companion to a mac mini. Some people here and on reddit were saying Apple is never going to make a rumored 24" display at $999 because "Then people would just buy a mini and not the iMac" but when you actually sit down and do the math:

8-core M1 iMac - $1,499
Total: $1,499

- Or -

8-core M1 mini - $699
24" Apple Display - $999
Magic Keyboard - $149
Magic Mouse - $79

Total: $1,926

Apple makes an extra $427 if the consumer goes with a Mac mini + 24" display option, and even more if they go with the 27" option. Then it gives consumers options. Buy the cheaper all-in-one or buy the more expensive mini + display.
The flaw there is you are assuming people will go for everything Apple. I used a windows USB keyboard and mouse with my old Intel Mac mini (2006). If you want to go cheap a PC USB keyboard and mouse will set you back $75 (and that is actually an overestament using current Logitech devices) and a Samsung PC monitor for $200. Throw in an $75 adapter in case the monitor has an incompatible port.

That drops the MacMini down to a insanely cheap $1048 (699+75+200+75). I got my Logitech keyboard back in 2008 and prefer it to my magic keyboard (no need for batteries) and yes it still works after all these years of use.

If you have a lot of old UBS-A stuff than you will want the MacMini (or get USB C to USB-A adapters for $10 a pair)
 
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Yeah but what if you're rendering something for hours on end? Has anyone done soak tests on renders that take all day? Or audio work in a studio? That's what the pros will be up to and I doubt they'd be happy if a 'base' model super thin Mac mini couldn't be flogged all day for hours on end while keeping cool and quiet.
People are already doing this on their M1 Pro/Max MacBook Pros in the real world. eg. Music production with tons of instruments, stuff that would bring Intel machines to their needs while those Intel machines are sounding like vacuum cleaners. This obnoxious fan noise is not happening with their M1 Pro/Max MacBook Pros. However, the fan does become audible under very heavy continuous load. Not vacuum cleaner loud but audible nonetheless.

As for people rendering all day long? Those people need 4 x M1 Max Mac Pros. Proper tool for the job and all that.

Worst case scenario? Apple simply don't offer M1 Pro in headless desktops - leaving the Mac Pro with all Max CPUs and the Mini with just M2 CPUs.
That doesn't make much sense unless you expect the Mac Pro to be cheap. I don't expect the Mac Pro to be cheap.
 
Yeah but what if you're rendering something for hours on end? Has anyone done soak tests on renders that take all day? Or audio work in a studio? That's what the pros will be up to and I doubt they'd be happy if a 'base' model super thin Mac mini couldn't be flogged all day for hours on end while keeping cool and quiet.

Let's also not forget marketing segmentation decisions too - Apple could simply choose to exclude the M1 Max from the upper SKU mini and allow the ARM Mac Pro to be an M1 Max only product - be it single CPU, dual CPU, or quad CPU. In fact, that could be your good, better, best right there...

The only question now is does splitting it that way mean more engineering resources and costs as far as motherboard chipsets go? And what do you do with the assumed staggered release dates for these CPUs? They aren't all coming out at once as far as I can see.

In a recording studio, the main machine connected to the desk won’t usually be in the same room as the critical personnel anyway. The same goes for the power conditioner or anything else that has fans. Jobs like mixing and mastering aren’t often done on a laptop either. Laptops are used for editing, arranging and site recordings.

As for renders, there are some decent reviews on YouTube of fairly hefty blender workloads, but it’s not the right tool for the job. The M1 max and pro are mid level chips to replace the 30-120w range of cpu/gpus used in the MacBook Pro and iMac.

The Xeon in the Mac Pro is around 200w, but most importantly that doesn’t include any graphics, which tend to be the main contributor of heat in a system like that. For example the 6900x is a 300w component, and the Mac Pro can have two of them. When taking the ECC RAM and power supply into account, its a 1000w system at the top end. The base model is probably closer to 500w.

The thermal envelopes just don’t overlap in a way that makes the mini and pro comparable. Apple may halve the TDP of the Mac Pro, but it’s still 50w vs 500w for apple silicon, instead of 100w vs 1000w for intel/AMD.

The M1 is around 15w and the M1 Max is about 35w, that kind of heat doesn’t need a complex cooling solution to be silent or close enough.
 
Current Mac mini cooling solution is a small heat sink & blower fan...

The rumored Prosser render, being a slimmer (shorter) unit, removes the space where said heat sink & fan reside...

A taller Mac mini chassis to allow something like a Noctua NH-L9x65 would keep the SoC properly cool, and nearly whisper-quiet...

A Mac Pro Cube chassis could allow something like the 2019 Mac Pro heat sink (or the Noctua NH-P1) and a front intake 180mm fan (behind the 2019 Mac Pro-style 3D ventilation), cooling a M1 Max Quadra SoC configuration...
 
Current Mac mini cooling solution is a small heat sink & blower fan...

The rumored Prosser render, being a slimmer (shorter) unit, removes the space where said heat sink & fan reside...
Let's just forget about the render. That's just a guess based on info that it would have a plexiglass top. We all already know the render has a bunch of issues.

A taller Mac mini chassis to allow something like a Noctua NH-L9x65 would keep the SoC properly cool, and nearly whisper-quiet...
To be honest, that's just 1990s PC builder thinking. Height is not necessarily needed for adequate cooling, esp. for a part like this.
 
Current Mac mini cooling solution is a small heat sink & blower fan...

The rumored Prosser render, being a slimmer (shorter) unit, removes the space where said heat sink & fan reside...

A taller Mac mini chassis to allow something like a Noctua NH-L9x65 would keep the SoC properly cool, and nearly whisper-quiet...

A Mac Pro Cube chassis could allow something like the 2019 Mac Pro heat sink (or the Noctua NH-P1) and a front intake 180mm fan (behind the 2019 Mac Pro-style 3D ventilation), cooling a M1 Max Quadra SoC configuration...
There are heat pipes and fans in the MacBook Pro, so height isn’t going to be an issue.

Noctua make great products, but again, this is suitable for ~200w components. If you look at apples fans, they have baffled designs to minimise noise compared to a generic fan, similar to how noctua do it.

As @EugW says, the literage of the MacBooks is already very small and contains batteries, screen, keyboard etc. The physics just doesn’t require the extra height. Having an overkill enclosure would also make it unsuitable for a co-location environment.
 
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Lets put it this way - people have been very, very happy that their M1 Mac Minis have been quiet.
MacBook Pro users, although those machines make more noise, have still been outspokenly happy that the new MBPs at least are significantly less noisy than the old intel models.
Users care about noise.

Looking at the pictures of MacMini setups that people have posted here, I can’t see that it matters at all to users whether the Mini is 0.5 cm thinner or 2 cm thicker. The exact size is simply irrelevant to the way the machines are used.
Compromising something that clearly is important to, and commented on as such by many actual users, to pursue something that is irrelevant to usage is just bad product design.

Since our current speculation is revolving around M1Pro and M1Max equipped Minis, it bears remembering that the M1Max SoC draws a lot more power than the M1, in the ballpark of the intel chips that are currently used in the higher end Minis. And those aren’t quiet when stressed, by any stretch. It also bears consideration that since the M1 Mini exists, those that elect to buy a more performant version likely does so because they intend to take advantage of that performance headroom.

At the end of the day, we have nothing but rumours and speculation. Significantly more performant AS versions in the Mini may never appear (and then one might wonder why, exactly) or at least may not use the M1Pro and M1Max SoCs. But I think we can all agree that if, for actual existance of data, we take the current high end Intel Mini and pose the question - "How should we redesign the Mini enclosure to quiet this product down", we wouldn’t come up with the New Mini renders. And that, justifiably for those that would like to see a higher performance/power draw Mini, is a cause of concern, not only for noise reasons, but also because such an enclosure implies that a higher performance/power draw Mini may not be made at all.
 
I too am afraid Apple will just ditch the mac mini pro and have a base model apple silicon Mac Pro take its place (at a significant price premium).

If they're not announced in march, I'm afraid that'll be the case.

What a situation...I need an M1 Max/64GB/1TB and I have barely the money for the macbook package, but it leaves me in a very uncomfortable financial situation...
I'd really love to spend a little less on a mini, but at the same time I'm afraid I'd have to spend even more on an imac, as I desperately need a new computer in spring.
 
I suspect also that if Apple comes up with a smaller sized Mac Pro with 3~4x height of Mac mini, there will be no Mac mini with M1 Pro or Max. Perhaps all new design Mac mini with M2 with two lines of Mac mini ('lower' M1 and 'higher' intel) gotten rid of.

To have both models, I think Apple needs to widen the gap, and Mac Pro has to offer expansion slots at least.
 
Looking at the pictures of MacMini setups that people have posted here, I can’t see that it matters at all to users whether the Mini is 0.5 cm thinner or 2 cm thicker. The exact size is simply irrelevant to the way the machines are used.
Compromising something that clearly is important to, and commented on as such by many actual users, to pursue something that is irrelevant to usage is just bad product design.

Since our current speculation is revolving around M1Pro and M1Max equipped Minis, it bears remembering that the M1Max SoC draws a lot more power than the M1, in the ballpark of the intel chips that are currently used in the higher end Minis. And those aren’t quiet when stressed, by any stretch. It also bears consideration that since the M1 Mini exists, those that elect to buy a more performant version likely does so because they intend to take advantage of that performance headroom.

Completely. I'm not fussed about a redesign, I'd just like the internals of a MacBook Pro in a box without paying for a screen, battery, keyboard etc. I'm not even that bothered about fan noise as mine lives in a rack in a cupboard with all my other kit.

I don't want to dump on anyones hopes with regards to the Mac Pro/high end mini, however to me it just seems like a very unlikely thing for apple to do from a machining and logistics point of view. I would love to see a Mac Pro start around the $4000/£3000 mark with some kind of expandability wrt RAM, SSDs and PCIE cards, I can't see that happening though.

I'm intrigued to see how the integrated RAM is handled on the higher end processors, I wonder if it'll be used as a caching layer between ECC DDR5 and the processor. I still think there will be some kind of separate GPUs as well. For comedy, I'd love to know how big a M1 Quadro would be with 1.5TB unified RAM on a single chip 🤣.

What a situation...I need an M1 Max/64GB/1TB and I have barely the money for the macbook package, but it leaves me in a very uncomfortable financial situation...
I'd really love to spend a little less on a mini, but at the same time I'm afraid I'd have to spend even more on an imac, as I desperately need a new computer in spring.

Yeah, it's frustrating. I wish I'd bought the space grey intel when it was released, but I was moving house so it was a stretch. The wait for the 2016 MacBook Pro was horrendous too. Out of interest, what's your use case?
 
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Completely. I'm not fussed about a redesign, I'd just like the internals of a MacBook Pro in a box without paying for a screen, battery, keyboard etc. I'm not even that bothered about fan noise as mine lives in a rack in a cupboard with all my other kit.

I don't want to dump on anyones hopes with regards to the Mac Pro/high end mini, however to me it just seems like a very unlikely thing for apple to do from a machining and logistics point of view. I would love to see a Mac Pro start around the $4000/£3000 mark with some kind of expandability wrt RAM, SSDs and PCIE cards, I can't see that happening though.

I'm intrigued to see how the integrated RAM is handled on the higher end processors, I wonder if it'll be used as a caching layer between ECC DDR5 and the processor. I still think there will be some kind of separate GPUs as well. For comedy, I'd love to know how big a M1 Quadro would be with 1.5TB unified RAM on a single chip 🤣.



Yeah, it's frustrating. I wish I'd bought the space grey intel when it was released, but I was moving house so it was a stretch. The wait for the 2016 MacBook Pro was horrendous too. Out of interest, what's your use case?
Motion Design inside After Effects.
Now I know technically a Windows PC is better for this use (and a lot cheaper), however I use a computer both for my personal and professional life and I highly prefer macOS.

I'm also deep into the ecosystem.
I have an Ipone, appleTV and in 2022 I might get an iPad too, I make large use of apple music and iCloud.
I love having all synced-up as part of one ecosystem.

I'm not dissing windows as I grew up with it but from my first contact with macOS (2010) I never went back and I think macOS makes much more sense for me, than windows.
Some people can't stand macOS and that's fair enough.

One IMMENSE benefit of going the Windows way is that a great work machine is also an amazing gaming machine, and by going the mac way I'm sacrificing quite a lot, but in the end it is still worth it.
 
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I'm intrigued to see how the integrated RAM is handled on the higher end processors, I wonder if it'll be used as a caching layer between ECC DDR5 and the processor. I still think there will be some kind of separate GPUs as well. For comedy, I'd love to know how big a M1 Quadro would be with 1.5TB unified RAM on a single chip 🤣.
M1 Max RAM is not on-chip. Not for M1 Pro 16 GB either, or even for M1 8 GB for that matter.

And I’d be shocked if there was a discrete GPU.
 
M1 Max RAM is not on-chip.

And I’d be shocked if there was a discrete GPU.
Me too, however one would expect a new shiny mac pro to be potentially more powerful than the previous generation's top of the line and even if Apple made a Quad-M1 Max system (which would be a beast don't get me wrong), it would allow a maximum of 256GB of ram, while the current mac Pro can exceed 1TB.
Eventually Apple has to allow some integration with external GPUs (and other PCI-Express accessories), because the mac pro doesn't make sense any other way.
 
Me too, however one would expect a new shiny mac pro to be potentially more powerful than the previous generation's top of the line and even if Apple made a Quad-M1 Max system (which would be a beast don't get me wrong), it would allow a maximum of 256GB of ram, while the current mac Pro can exceed 1TB.
Eventually Apple has to allow some integration with external GPUs (and other PCI-Express accessories), because the mac pro doesn't make sense any other way.
Apple would address this by putting out the M2 Max Quadro in 2023 which would likely support 512 GB RAM.
 
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