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The new Mac mini is almost certainly coming

Jorbanead said:
If they’re designing this as a more Pro-focused Mac as it seems, a 1X and 2X Max chip config seems highly possible.
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Agree. That makes a lot of sense. However, I see it as potentially a nice middle ground between the "high end" Mac mini and the Mac Pro. IOW, in 2022:

$$ - Mac mini (low end) - M2
$$$ - Mac mini (high end) - M1 Pro/Max
$$$$ - Mac Studio - M1 Max, M1 Max Duo
$$$$$ - Mac Pro - M1 Max Duo, M1 Max Quadro
 
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Boil said:
According to 9to5 Mac, the Mac Studio may be replacing the high-end 2018 Intel Mac mini...?

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This would make the “peek performance” tagline make much more sense. They’ll likely announce a 2x M1 Max config. The tagline essentially is saying “hey, take a peek at how powerful our chips can be when we use more than one chip in a Mac” with the “peek” hinting at even more to come at a later event: this is just a peek at what’s possible (Mac Pro with four max chips).
 
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That’d be interesting. Although I don’t see the point of the mini pro in that line up, unless the price differential is substantial. I wonder if we’ll see a Studio announced on Tuesday and the Duo and Quattro processors get some airtime for the Studio and future Mac Pro.

Edit: from the 9/5 Mac piece, I don’t know about the rumoured smaller pro being the studio. Studio feels like it’s going to be a prosumer grade, so creative professionals. If there’s any truth in it, it makes the Xmac people happy.
 
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I hope this Studio Mac kills off the iMac. How I despise that machine.
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Pretty sure that the iMac is by far Apple’s biggest selling desktop (they used to publish that data as I recall, they don’t any longer). So don’t think that’s likely.
 
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I hope this Studio Mac kills off the iMac. How I despise that machine.
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WTF really? You might not want it, but its pretty much defined the AIO market which is hugely popular for consumers who don't want a laptop. Maybe you're just here to troll though.

MajorFubar said:
This Mac Mini Studio, if it actually appears, sounds like it could make a bloody great dent in my bank account. You utter b-tards, Apple :p
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Rene Richie has a decent analysis on it. Briefly,
Option A:
Mac mini (M1/M2) in new chassis
Mac Studio (Pro/Max/2xMax?) similar to current chassis
Mac Pro (Apple Silicon) The smaller cheese grater
Mac Pro (x86) the current cheese grater

Option B:
Mac mini (M1/M2) new chassis
Mac mini Pro (Pro/Max/2xMax?) new chassis
Mac Studio (Apple Silicon) The smaller cheese grater
Mac Pro (x86) the current cheese grater

Option A would be my preference. Someone pointed out on AppleInsider that these leaks could be from the related to Tuesdays event as advertising materials for stores etc will be being made and shipped out to be put on display on Wednesday, so the opportunity for leaks has increased.
 
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trickster is meaningless said:
WTF really? You might not want it, but its pretty much defined the AIO market which is hugely popular for consumers who don't want a laptop. Maybe you're just here to troll though.


Rene Richie has a decent analysis on it. Briefly,
Option A:
Mac mini (M1/M2) in new chassis
Mac Studio (Pro/Max/2xMax?) similar to current chassis
Mac Pro (Apple Silicon) The smaller cheese grater
Mac Pro (x86) the current cheese grater

Option B:
Mac mini (M1/M2) new chassis
Mac mini Pro (Pro/Max/2xMax?) new chassis
Mac Studio (Apple Silicon) The smaller cheese grater
Mac Pro (x86) the current cheese grater

Option A would be my preference. Someone pointed out on AppleInsider that these leaks could be from the related to Tuesdays event as advertising materials for stores etc will be being made and shipped out to be put on display on Wednesday, so the opportunity for leaks has increased.
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As with everything in life.. esp. Apple... I'm paying attention to the price tag..... I'd be interested in a more powerful Mac Mini but not at the $4,000 - $5,000 price tag... Not gonna happen.
 
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Oh yeah, I'm completely with you on that. Assuming option A from above, where we could see it this next week, these machines need to be priced competitively with the MacBook Pro and new iMac lines. Again, assuming comparative internals, we need to see a saving of screen, keyboard, trackpad/mouse (and batteries from the MBP). For example, for a MBP base model its £1900, I'd expect a mini/studio to be around £1200 with the same compute power. Likewise, the skittles iMac is ~£500 more than the mini, so maybe a 27" iMac add/take £100 to the MBP start price. The current 27" iMac is cheaper than I remembered. So,
Mac mini M1 - £699
Mac Studio/Mini Pro - £1199
iMac M1 - £1249
MBP 14" M1Pro - £1899
iMac M1Pro - £1799/1999 depending on display tech maybe

(± £200 for random apple pricing policies)

From there, +£400 for the top tier M1 Max, +£800 for 64GB Ram, +£400 for 2TB SSD. So a spec'd out Studio or mini is starting to push towards £3k.

I can't see any Mac Pro-like machines starting at less than £5000, which is £500 less than now, but that's unlikely. Its so far off my radar I had no idea what the start price was.
 
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Boil said:
According to 9to5 Mac, the Mac Studio may be replacing the high-end 2018 Intel Mac mini...?

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I can see that happening. It would allow the mini to be shrunk down to suit the M1, M2, etc. While the higher end mini replacement is a chassis with plenty of cooling for faster chips, space for lots of ports, and hopefully some internal upgradability, possibly via NVMe and PCIe slots.
 
Moonjumper said:
I can see that happening. It would allow the mini to be shrunk down to suit the M1, M2, etc. While the higher end mini replacement is a chassis with plenty of cooling for faster chips, space for lots of ports, and hopefully some internal upgradability, possibly via NVMe and PCIe slots.
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I think the likelihood of those is fairly low based on the available PCIe lanes in the M1 Pro/Max, however maybe we're getting a new family/variant of chips that solves those issues. There has to be a break somewhere in the lineup, so the non-portable/prosumer desktops might be the perfect place to do that. Providing the cooling is adequate, the performance per watt becomes less critical higher up the stack.

The most vital issue is what letter we'll see next. A, H, M, S, T, U and W are all taken, maybe P for performance, X for extreme.... place your bets...
 
trickster is meaningless said:
I think the likelihood of those is fairly low based on the available PCIe lanes in the M1 Pro/Max, however maybe we're getting a new family/variant of chips that solves those issues. There has to be a break somewhere in the lineup, so the non-portable/prosumer desktops might be the perfect place to do that. Providing the cooling is adequate, the performance per watt becomes less critical higher up the stack.

The most vital issue is what letter we'll see next. A, H, M, S, T, U and W are all taken, maybe P for performance, X for extreme.... place your bets...
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I thought the M stood for Mac. Maybe we will get new names instead. Possibly M1 Studio, M1 Extreme, M1 suck-it-Intel.
 
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trickster is meaningless said:
Oh yeah, I'm completely with you on that. Assuming option A from above, where we could see it this next week, these machines need to be priced competitively with the MacBook Pro and new iMac lines. Again, assuming comparative internals, we need to see a saving of screen, keyboard, trackpad/mouse (and batteries from the MBP). For example, for a MBP base model its £1900, I'd expect a mini/studio to be around £1200 with the same compute power. Likewise, the skittles iMac is ~£500 more than the mini, so maybe a 27" iMac add/take £100 to the MBP start price. The current 27" iMac is cheaper than I remembered. So,
Mac mini M1 - £699
Mac Studio/Mini Pro - £1199
iMac M1 - £1249
MBP 14" M1Pro - £1899
iMac M1Pro - £1799/1999 depending on display tech maybe

(± £200 for random apple pricing policies)

From there, +£400 for the top tier M1 Max, +£800 for 64GB Ram, +£400 for 2TB SSD. So a spec'd out Studio or mini is starting to push towards £3k.

I can't see any Mac Pro-like machines starting at less than £5000, which is £500 less than now, but that's unlikely. Its so far off my radar I had no idea what the start price was.
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I think it will be Mac Mini M2 starting at £800
Mac Studio or Mini Pro at £2000 to £2500 starting price.
iMac 24”with the M2 at its current pricing.
Then an iMac 27” if it’s also a Pro probably starting at £2500, maybe £3000 if Apple position it the same as the last iMac Pro.

If they went with something like that I’d be tempted by a Mac Studio, the current Mac Pro will get a spec bump with Intels new Xeon chips and keep the same pricing and design, I think Apple will need to figure out the design of the M chips a bit more before they can offer it in a Mac Pro with all those internal expansion options.
 
Pezimak said:
I think it will be Mac Mini M2 starting at £800
Mac Studio or Mini Pro at £2000 to £2500 starting price.
iMac 24”with the M2 at its current pricing.
Then an iMac 27” if it’s also a Pro probably starting at £2500, maybe £3000 if Apple position it the same as the last iMac Pro.

If they went with something like that I’d be tempted by a Mac Studio, the current Mac Pro will get a spec bump with Intels new Xeon chips and keep the same pricing and design, I think Apple will need to figure out the design of the M chips a bit more before they can offer it in a Mac Pro with all those internal expansion options.
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A price hike on the Mac Mini would really suck.
 
staypuftforums said:
A price hike on the Mac Mini would really suck.
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Yes, but they could also give the specs a bump like storage and memory.
It’s all guesses anyway, this Mac Studio may not even exist. Or we may not see anything at all of it on Tuesday. It would be great if this Studio machine used the M1 Pro and Max and was priced from say. £1500 or even £1300 of its like the MacBook Pros minus screen batteries keyboard and nice etc, but this is Apple and their prices aren’t cheap on the higher end machines.
 
Mac Studio

Mac Studio will replace the high-end 2018 Intel Mac mini, bridging the gap between the (new smaller design) Mn-series Mac mini and the full tower Mac Pro...

Mac Studio will go from a base single M1 Pro SoC model all the way up to a dual M1 Max SoC model:
  • Base model - 8/14, 16/512, Gigabit Ethernet, $1499
  • Fully loaded model - 20/64, 128/8T, 10Gb Ethernet, $6999
Four TB4/USB4 (USB-C) ports & two USB 3.1 Gen2 (USB-A) ports on the single SoC models...

Six TB4/USB4 (USB-C) ports & four USB 3.1 Gen2 (USB-A) ports on the dual SoC models...

Gigabit Ethernet standard, upgrade to 10Gb Ethernet is US$100...

SoCCPUP/EGPURAMSSDEthernet
M1 Pro8-core6P/2E14-core16GB/32GB512GB/1TB/2TB/4TB/8TBGigabit/10Gb
M1 Pro10-core6P/2E14-core16GB/32GB512GB/1TB/2TB/4TB/8TBGigabit/10Gb
M1 Pro10-core8P/2E16-core16GB/32GB512GB/1TB/2TB/4TB/8TBGigabit/10Gb
M1 Max10-core8P/2E24-core32GB/64GB512GB/1TB/2TB/4TB/8TBGigabit/10Gb
M1 Max10-core8P/2E32-core32GB/64GB512GB/1TB/2TB/4TB/8TBGigabit/10Gb
Dual M1 Max20-core16P/4E48-core64GB/128GB512GB/1TB/2TB/4TB/8TBGigabit/10Gb
Dual M1 Max20-core16P/4E64-core64GB/128GB512GB/1TB/2TB/4TB/8TBGigabit/10Gb
 
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Pezimak said:
I think it will be Mac Mini M2 starting at £800
Mac Studio or Mini Pro at £2000 to £2500 starting price.
iMac 24”with the M2 at its current pricing.
Then an iMac 27” if it’s also a Pro probably starting at £2500, maybe £3000 if Apple position it the same as the last iMac Pro.
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I think that would be a prohibitive cost if it’s using an M1 pro at that cost. The MacBook Pro is cheaper than that already. It would need some major additions to make it worth it and doesn’t fill the space of the Intel mini either.

Only a few more days to see. I’m still half expecting a dreadful event of iPads and airpods, oh and a new subscription for something I don’t need too…. I could use a new watch strap though
 
Boil said:
Mac Studio = Cube 2.0

Mac Studio will replace the high-end 2018 Intel Mac mini, bridging the gap between the (new smaller design) Mn-series Mac mini and the full tower Mac Pro...

Mac Studio will go from a base single M1 Pro SoC model all the way up to a dual M1 Max SoC model:
  • Base model - 8/14, 16/512, Gigabit Ethernet, US$1.4k
  • Fully loaded model - 20/64, 128/8T, dual 10Gb Ethernet, US$7k
Four TB4/USB4 (USB-C) ports & two USB 3.1 Gen2 (USB-A) ports on the single SoC models...
Single Gigabit Ethernet standard on single SoC models, upgrade to 10Gb Ethernet is US$100...

Six TB4/USB4 (USB-C) ports & four USB 3.1 Gen2 (USB-A) ports on the dual SoC models...
Dual Gigabit Ethernet standard on dual SoC models, upgrade to dual 10Gb Ethernet is US$200...

SoCCPUP/EGPURAMSSDEthernet
M1 Pro8-core6P/2E14-core16GB/32GB512GB/1TB/2TB/4TB/8TBGigabit/10Gb
M1 Pro10-core6P/2E14-core16GB/32GB512GB/1TB/2TB/4TB/8TBGigabit/10Gb
M1 Pro10-core8P/2E16-core16GB/32GB512GB/1TB/2TB/4TB/8TBGigabit/10Gb
M1 Max10-core8P/2E24-core32GB/64GB512GB/1TB/2TB/4TB/8TBGigabit/10Gb
M1 Max10-core8P/2E32-core32GB/64GB512GB/1TB/2TB/4TB/8TBGigabit/10Gb
Dual M1 Max20-core16P/4E48-core64GB/128GB512GB/1TB/2TB/4TB/8TBDual Gigabit/Dual 10Gb
Dual M1 Max20-core16P/4E64-core64GB/128GB512GB/1TB/2TB/4TB/8TBDual Gigabit/Dual 10Gb
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Okay this seems awfully specific... Any chance you got a picture of what this thing might look like? I'm assuming it's not an all-in-one Imac Pro replacement so we'd need a monitor???
 
dizmonk said:
Okay this seems awfully specific... Any chance you got a picture of what this thing might look like? I'm assuming it's not an all-in-one Imac Pro replacement so we'd need a monitor???
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Mac Rumors are using a picture of a shrunken Mac Pro. A rumour says it will look like several Mac Minis stacked on each other. Hopefully that amount a space points to expandability.
 
trickster is meaningless said:
I think that would be a prohibitive cost if it’s using an M1 pro at that cost. The MacBook Pro is cheaper than that already. It would need some major additions to make it worth it and doesn’t fill the space of the Intel mini either.

Only a few more days to see. I’m still half expecting a dreadful event of iPads and airpods, oh and a new subscription for something I don’t need too…. I could use a new watch strap though
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Its possible the desktop version has more power I guess though. I just jeep thinking Apple and Pro equals expensive lol. It’ll certainly be an interesting machine if true. I’ll be tempted to buy one. Don’t need a laptop but I do want a desktop.
 
Pezimak said:
Its possible the desktop version has more power I guess though. I just jeep thinking Apple and Pro equals expensive lol. It’ll certainly be an interesting machine if true. I’ll be tempted to buy one. Don’t need a laptop but I do want a desktop.
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The main thing to keep in mind is they need something to fill the current Mac mini i5 16GB SKU = $1,299 (or something close to this price)

They’re not going to jump from the M1 mini which caps at $1,799 and jump all the way to a $3,000 machine with nothing in-between, especially since they’ll also have a Mac Pro that’s even pricier.

I’m predicting something like this:

Mac mini: $699 - $1,799
Mac Studio: $1,299 - $4,999
Mac Pro: $4,999+

Yes I think there will be overlap with the mini and studio pricing, but the major difference here is the entry-level studio would come with 512GB SSD and 1GB Ethernet, while the $1,799 mini comes with a 2TB SSD, and 10GB Ethernet. The SSD in the mini adds $800 alone to the price. Worst case scenario is the studio starts at $1,799.
 
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