This is Apple, you can’t judge them by pricing of other devices, look at the iPhone Pro costs, the iPad Pro is a relative complete bargain in comparison including the cellular models and that’s with an M1 chip.
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The new Mac mini is almost certainly coming
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This is Apple, you can’t judge them by pricing of other devices, look at the iPhone Pro costs, the iPad Pro is a relative complete bargain in comparison including the cellular models and that’s with an M1 chip.
If you go back a few pages there's quite a lot of analysis on pricing and thermals. @Boil is probably on the money, for the M1 Pro/Max SKUs, I'd love to see the Dual config, but I'm trying to keep my expectations in check.
True, but Apple know their customers too. The iPhone Pro models sell very well according to analysts and iPhone tend to be on a faster upgrade cycle for the consumer than iPads. There are always some pricing oddities, especially across the wider categories. However, when you look at the M1 based Macs, they seem to be a lot more linearly spaced; likewise, the BTO options are consistently priced as well.
When it comes to phones, they are also at the higher end of the performance per unit volume per dollar parabola (there's a pithy name I can't remember). Comparatively, the iPad Pro has a lot more volume, allowing less thermally constrained components, leading to a good bang for the buck. Likewise, the M1 Mac mini is an absolute steal if it fits your needs.
I just hope the lowest high-end mini (6+2 core M1 Pro, 16gb, 512gb) is not much more than the current Intel i5 mini, which is £1099 in the UK. I think anything more than a £100 is a bit much, especially if that's for the 8 core version. The 8 core lowest tier 14in MBP is £1899 for reference.
Fair points, I guess we will see. Then again this is all rumours still and some have been wrong on Apple before. I hope they are true though as although I got a new iPad Pro a couple of weeks ago, I need a new Mac and would like a desktop. A new Mini/Studio with a Pro or maybe Max chip in it would be just the job.
Oh yeah, apple always have some "magic" involved in their pricing. I'm very much in the same boat, I'd have been fairly happy with an M1 if it hat 32GB Ram, but more processing power will hopefully get me another 10+ years of use. I suspect I'll end up going for 64GB for future proofing (I use a lot of containers and VMs).
Yeap I will be looking for a long term replacement too, I expect to get several years out of it.
One thing I hadn't thought about was the M1 could be undervolted in its current state for efficiency and could be pushed further, equally it could also have a a clock multiplier.
I’m not judging based on other devices, I’m judging based on the fact that they need products in certain price brackets.
They need a headless desktop to fit in a price bracket between the M1 Mac mini and the Mac Pro.
Luke Miani has an exclusive for the event: he has personally seen the Mac Studio and claims it will be at the event on Tuesday. He will show renders, based off of what he saw, in a video tomorrow (made by Renders by Ian). Is this the successor to the high-end mini? We’ll find out soon!
He announced this info on his podcast tonight:
He announced this info on his podcast tonight:
Yeah, no one is going to listen an entire hour of these two rambling about how hard they get for Apple.
At least include a transcript or time codes, so anyone can find the relevant information.
It baffles me that Apple have started using these influencers to "review" their products. They barely know a thing about design, engineering or even how to compare benchmarks.
Yes, especially as this is not something like Hoeg Law where it had to be long so you could get the context of what was going on.
Perhaps someone at Apple figures the average person doesn't care about design, engineering or comparing benchmarks and at some level they are right. No one batted an eye back in the day when the LC II had the totally moronic 4 mb on motherboard, expandable to 6, 8, or 12 but the ROM could only see 10 MB. If anyone cared about design and engineering back then they would have collectively gone 'WTF Apple?' (like I did on Usenet but I was effectively a lone voice in the wilderness)
As for benchmarks, the disconnect between them and real world use has grown to the point that, other than gamets (let's be honest the Mac's game selection sucks compared to PC), few pay attention to them. Heck, even when Apple's design (based on chips Intel promised) was heat throttling like crazy IBM went to Macs for things like productivity and longterm maintenance/IT costs not speed.
Only Aandtech and chinese reviewers go in depth and Apple does send in review units for those people.
Don't worry. You're not missing anything. He just says that he's seen it... which was already said in the earlier comment.
Luke basically used this Sunday video to tease the Monday video where he will actually go into detail about what he saw.
And of course the event is Tuesday where we'll find out if he's right.
Speaking of videos... I'm guessing Max Tech will have a dozen videos between Tuesday and the actual release day.
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Luke has some decent content on occasion, but I find some of his buyers advice strange to say the least. MaxTech, god... he drives me mad, 15 minutes of rambling with no actual content. I've really enjoyed some of the LTT Mac coverage lately, Anthony is pretty well read on a lot of stuff and they don't just drool over everything.
iJustine is where the hard-hitting tech journalism is.... 😏
I already said all the relevant information which was that he’s seen it. I posted the link for anyone who was curious about where I got the info, but it doesn’t require you to watch if you don’t want to.
Here is the MacRumors article on this if you don’t want to watch his latest video:
Alleged 'Mac Studio' Renders Surface Ahead of Tomorrow's 'Peek Performance' Apple Event
Renders alleged to be the "Mac Studio," described as a hybrid between a Mac Pro and Mac mini, have surfaced online just a day before Apple...
www.macrumors.com
2/3 of his leaks were correct. The only thing he’s gotten wrong was he claimed a backlight on the touch ID sensor, so 🤷♂️
Here is the alleged design:
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Ok, that design makes no sense as it would result in a lot of wasted space (something the current M1 mini has). The only thing (other than an insane amount of ports on the back) is that it has a "card" option where an Apple designed Intel CPU card can be plugged into an internal slot (like the LC did) and even that is a stretch.I already said all the relevant information which was that he’s seen it. I posted the link for anyone who was curious about where I got the info, but it doesn’t require you to watch if you don’t want to.
Here is the MacRumors article on this if you don’t want to watch his latest video:
Alleged 'Mac Studio' Renders Surface Ahead of Tomorrow's 'Peek Performance' Apple Event
Renders alleged to be the "Mac Studio," described as a hybrid between a Mac Pro and Mac mini, have surfaced online just a day before Apple...
2/3 of his leaks were correct. The only thing he’s gotten wrong was he claimed a backlight on the touch ID sensor, so 🤷♂️
Here is the alleged design:
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Ok, I had to dig up my renders from 2015. I thought this might be a future Mac Pro, but Studio it is then.
You can see the "to be" Mac Mini too in there at left side, with the new grey Apple Display of course. And the abandoned cMP lurking there too.
Yes i know. There's only that much to predict, and that much to be right about, and that much to steal from earlier designs.
About the Ian render; It looks like a great and professional quality pic, unlike mine. But I think the proportions (W, H, D) don't look that good esthetically. But maybe it's optimized and no reason to go any bigger - for a Mac Studio it's not I mean. Mac Pro would need to be over 30+cm in height. To fit a proper GPU in there.
You can see the "to be" Mac Mini too in there at left side, with the new grey Apple Display of course. And the abandoned cMP lurking there too.
Yes i know. There's only that much to predict, and that much to be right about, and that much to steal from earlier designs.
About the Ian render; It looks like a great and professional quality pic, unlike mine. But I think the proportions (W, H, D) don't look that good esthetically. But maybe it's optimized and no reason to go any bigger - for a Mac Studio it's not I mean. Mac Pro would need to be over 30+cm in height. To fit a proper GPU in there.
This isn’t for an M1 mini. This is likely for an M1 Max, or dual M1 Max chips. That may require a larger power supply, larger MOBO, and a larger fan with a large heatsink. Keep in mind, with the MPX modules and afterburner cards, the majority of the Mac Pro is heatsinks and fans. This is likely that, but miniaturized.
My assumption is this would be able to run a dual max chip at full loads indefinitely without any thermal limits.
I'm ready for whatever comes out soon. I'm on a 2012 mini and lack a lot of new features in hw and sw. As you suggest, I could even get one that's currently available, but at this point, why not wait and see!
exactly ! for dual M1 pro or Max you need the space even on hight not just in width
So if this is the design and Apple presented like this, expect to have the option for dual M1 pro/max SoC
Those gpu cores generate a lot of heat
Dual M1 Maxes would generate approximately the same heat as the current intel offering in the current chassis, maybe ~10-20W more, something this large would have bundles of headroom for that. I'm intrigued but this concept, almost to the point of waiting on an upgrade to see I'm unlikely to be able to order anything tomorrow. Given the maxed out MBP are now shipping in May (which is insane), I have no idea on how volatile the lead times for these machine will be. The M1 Pros seem to be catching up, but the Maxes are getting worse. I wonder if this is a power-binning thing, or maybe the yields are just terrible?exactly ! for dual M1 pro or Max you need the space even on hight not just in width
So if this is the design and Apple presented like this, expect to have the option for dual M1 pro/max SoC
Those gpu cores generate a lot of heat
A few different sources have suggested a taller mini as the Mac Studio form factor. That size suggests more than just cooling. I'm hoping for NVMe slots.