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skratch77

macrumors 65816
Mar 20, 2013
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Didn't watch the video but this is pre production firmware and all demo cells run like crap with first run software.

The gs5 ran like complete crap last year at launch and improved big time when came out to public.

Wait for official kernel and firmware to compare
 

spinedoc77

macrumors G4
Jun 11, 2009
11,488
5,413
Smartass comment hehehe. It's not about adding seconds to your life, it's about a phone being fast when you need it to. ;)

For an example, far too many times have I missed capturing a moment with the Note camera because of lag, when I could have done so with an iPhone. Just one example. :)

No but seriously, it's such an overblown issue. It's literally milliseconds. While my iPhone doesn't really lag I do notice it lags when opening the camera app so it's funny you bring that up. Not only lag opening the camera app but horrible shutter lag, I'd frequently miss shots of my very fast moving toddler and losing family pictures to iOS lag is unacceptable to me. Also I had more of an issue with iOS force closing apps frequently for no reason at all and also not being able to have many browser tabs open, both of those were deal breakers for me and Android is much more stable in this sense.
 

GummiBjorn

macrumors member
Original poster
Nov 3, 2013
81
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No but seriously, it's such an overblown issue. It's literally milliseconds. While my iPhone doesn't really lag I do notice it lags when opening the camera app so it's funny you bring that up. Not only lag opening the camera app but horrible shutter lag, I'd frequently miss shots of my very fast moving toddler and losing family pictures to iOS lag is unacceptable to me. Also I had more of an issue with iOS force closing apps frequently for no reason at all and also not being able to have many browser tabs open, both of those were deal breakers for me and Android is much more stable in this sense.

Those seconds are important to me. And now with the iPhone 6 being much faster than the iPhone 5S it's not even a contest between Note 4 and iPhone 6+ in terms of speed, which was kinda my point. No way I'm getting the old iPhone 5S haha. I wish Samsung would have just gone with 1080p on the Note 4 for better performance but you know... they always need to make unnecessary specs upgrades to appear better than the competition.
 

The Game 161

macrumors Nehalem
Dec 15, 2010
30,991
20,174
UK
Can't believe you are deciding on what phone to get by judging speed on a first hands on review when you don't know what was open on said phone but each to their own enjoy your iPhone 6
 

GummiBjorn

macrumors member
Original poster
Nov 3, 2013
81
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Can't believe you are deciding on what phone to get by judging speed on a first hands on review when you don't know what was open on said phone but each to their own enjoy your iPhone 6

Learn to read, I said I will have to try the phones in store myself before I decide. But I'm definitely leaning towards the iPhone.
 

The Game 161

macrumors Nehalem
Dec 15, 2010
30,991
20,174
UK
Learn to read, I said I will have to try the phones in store myself before I decide. But I'm definitely leaning towards the iPhone.

I do hope you aren't making your decision purely on what high powered device loads quicker as to which one to get. Should be far more factors than that. I will also saw you will find as with most speed tests one phone will be faster than the other in some apps being opened and others the other phone will be. Really shouldn't be what you base your decision off but if it is then enjoy whatever you decide.
 

MRU

macrumors Penryn
Aug 23, 2005
25,370
8,952
a better place
Surely app opening speed is less relevant than

1) the ability to multitask and keep more apps in memory when switching to and fro

2) functionality and extra features to make use of the extra size of the device


As I posted earlier, the video posted previous is not a good comparison video as we do not know if the person had apps backgrounded on the iPhone etc. But even if the 5S does open milliseconds faster initially, after 9 apps open and multiple safari/chrome tabs I wonder which if the two will have to refresh its apps when brought back out of background. Thus making them slower than the other.

Either way I imagine both devices will be very fast, but if I was to buy a phablet - functionality would triumph over app opening speed any day of the week. And in that regard I think the Note 4 offers vastly more functionality / productivity features in the phablet arena.
 

Shanghaichica

macrumors G5
Apr 8, 2013
14,725
13,245
UK
Learn to read, I said I will have to try the phones in store myself before I decide. But I'm definitely leaning towards the iPhone.

Why waste your time on the note? You've already determined that it and all other android phones are rubbish . Do yourself a favour and just get the iPhone.
 

hot spare

macrumors 6502
Aug 22, 2011
340
66
Let even for a moment I agree that it's a sec slower than iPhone. Does that make it bad?

Do I have to list the amount of features that iPhone doesn't have??

But as usual, i-fans will tell that they don't need this feature unless Apple suddenly decides to implement it 2 years later. The very idea that you guys have a 5.5-inch phone is because Samsung made the Note-class device. Where were all you homo sapiens back in 2011 when Samsung introduced the Note? What were your comments at that time??

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Sensamic

macrumors 68040
Mar 26, 2010
3,072
689
All those extra milliseconds add to an overall worse experience.

The M8 flies and it's a joy to use, for example.
 

kevinof

macrumors 6502a
Jul 30, 2008
744
161
Dublin/London
Is the Iphone running Android or is the Note running IOS? Nope. They run different OS's and the difference in speed may be nothing at all to do with the hardware.

Having said that- the difference is so minor that it's just laughable. Pick one or the other and be happy.


Those seconds are important to me. And now with the iPhone 6 being much faster than the iPhone 5S it's not even a contest between Note 4 and iPhone 6+ in terms of speed, which was kinda my point. No way I'm getting the old iPhone 5S haha. I wish Samsung would have just gone with 1080p on the Note 4 for better performance but you know... they always need to make unnecessary specs upgrades to appear better than the competition.
 

pdqgp

macrumors 68020
Mar 23, 2010
2,131
5,460
Like I said, slow opening and closing of apps is not important to some people. To me it is!

A trick on the Notes is to enable developer options and disable transition animations.

So many people have ZERO clue this can be done, thus they see the transition, even 1x, as lag when in fact, it's NOT. Turn off such things and new apps open instantly. Not even a millisecond of noticeable delay.

If you're a car person, it's like disabling torque management and stability/traction systems when at the track. With them cars will bog and "lag" However, with them properly tuned off, instant and ultimate power meets ground.....but let's not forget good slicks.
 
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pdqgp

macrumors 68020
Mar 23, 2010
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it's not even a contest between Note 4 and iPhone 6+ in terms of speed, which was kinda my point.

Properly configure a Note and your opinion will likely change because the results will be vastly different. Again, see the many posts about how a Note series can be customized and configured so much that even as it relates to speed, tons of gains are right there before you.

Think of it like a Porsche Panamera or M6 or better yet, a Lambo (if you've ever driven one of them). They can be as smooth and tame as the old guy next doors Caddy but with the push of a button and a few minor configurations they have made available to the users, they are beasts that belong on a track.

Unlike Apple, Samsung and many androids, Apple doesn't leave much if any room to configure their devices for real meaningful use or benefits.
 
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Markyboy81

macrumors 6502a
Oct 30, 2011
514
0
Properly configure a Note and your opinion will likely change because the results will be vastly different. Again, see the many posts about how a Note series can be customized and configured so much that even as it relates to speed, tons of gains are right there before you.

Think of it like a Porsche Panamera or M6 or better yet, a Lambo (if you've ever driven one of them). They can be as smooth and tame as the old guy next doors Caddy but with the push of a button and a few minor configurations they have made available to the users, they are beasts that belong on a track.

Unlike Apple, Samsung and many androids, Apple doesn't leave much if any room to configure their devices for real meaningful use or benefits.
I think you've got a good point here. That being said, for the average person who doesn't want to or isn't confident tinkering, the iphone does offer a great experience out of the box.
But for me I can't see myself leaving android, I'd just miss out on too many features
 

GummiBjorn

macrumors member
Original poster
Nov 3, 2013
81
0
Actually I do know about the developer settings turning off animations. I also deactivate the crap bloatware and processes running in the background.. Though I wouldn't root as that's too risky. You lose your warranty and it may brick the phone or make certain features useless.
 

bkends35

macrumors 6502a
Feb 24, 2013
941
422
USA
I'm really bothered that another phone opens an app a millisecond before my own. The days of lag are gone. All flagship devices are plenty fast and have been for some time.

Lag gone? No... Just look at when you unlock the device. And don't say it's because it a prepro because it happens on every android phone I've used. Theres significant lag when opening the gallery app, when loading pictures, when launching every app. Just look at how much more responsive the 5s was after he tapped on the app. That is LAG, anyone who says android devices never lag is lying. Plain and simple, they do. It may not seem like lag because you're used to it but when you compare it to the iPhone it lags.
 

BJonson

macrumors 6502a
Aug 26, 2010
866
147
I'm going to shift the blame off of Samsung, LG, and every carrier phone and blame the carriers. Its their junk that they put on the phone that is slowing them down. For some reason the iphone gets a pass on this hatchet job the carriers carry out on other phones and maybe that is Samsung's fault for not forcing them to stop but to blame the phone for any slowness is the carriers fault plain and simple. You won't believe the crap AT&T installs on android phones and even with all their junk software installed I still don't see any lag on recent devices. That said, this video is a joke. What I take from this is how paltry IOS is compared to android. Just look at how nice those thumbnails look and animations that IOS won't do because they know it will slow it down. But hey, guess what, you can turn them all off so 6 ways to Sunday this video review us lame.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

macrumors G3
Oct 27, 2009
8,878
10,987
I'm going to shift the blame off of Samsung, LG, and every carrier phone and blame the carriers. Its their junk that they put on the phone that is slowing them down. For some reason the iphone gets a pass on this hatchet job the carriers carry out on other phones and maybe that is Samsung's fault for not forcing them to stop but to blame the phone for any slowness is the carriers fault plain and simple. You won't believe the crap AT&T installs on android phones and even with all their junk software installed I still don't see any lag on recent devices. That said, this video is a joke. What I take from this is how paltry IOS is compared to android. Just look at how nice those thumbnails look and animations that IOS won't do because they know it will slow it down. But hey, guess what, you can turn them all off so 6 ways to Sunday this video review us lame.

Exactly, I'm sick of hearing about how iOS is so optimized. That's great for those who like iOS as is. But when comparing it to Android, the word optimized is just code for iOS can't do that.
 

gotluck

macrumors 603
Dec 8, 2011
5,717
1,260
East Central Florida
So many people have ZERO clue this can be done, thus they see the transition, even 1x, as lag when in fact, it's NOT. Turn off such things and new apps open instantly. Not even a millisecond of noticeable delay.

If you're a car person, it's like disabling torque management and stability/traction systems when at the track. With them cars will bog and "lag" However, with them properly tuned off, instant and ultimate power meets ground.....but let's not forget good slicks.

Wow I have been using .5x turning them off completely does make a noticeable difference. Haven't tried that before. Cheers.
 

bkends35

macrumors 6502a
Feb 24, 2013
941
422
USA
I'm going to shift the blame off of Samsung, LG, and every carrier phone and blame the carriers. Its their junk that they put on the phone that is slowing them down. For some reason the iphone gets a pass on this hatchet job the carriers carry out on other phones and maybe that is Samsung's fault for not forcing them to stop but to blame the phone for any slowness is the carriers fault plain and simple. You won't believe the crap AT&T installs on android phones and even with all their junk software installed I still don't see any lag on recent devices. That said, this video is a joke. What I take from this is how paltry IOS is compared to android. Just look at how nice those thumbnails look and animations that IOS won't do because they know it will slow it down. But hey, guess what, you can turn them all off so 6 ways to Sunday this video review us lame.

Which thumbnails and animations are we talking about? The Note 4's/touchwiz's animations are awful. Did you see when you close the app how ugly the animation is (and how long they take to start after you press the app)? Looks worse than iOS' from 2007. And what thumbnails? The ones in messaging and contacts? They're hideous, like I always say, I don't want to see my contacts face every time I send them a message and after every message in the conversation. There's a reason stock android doesn't have these. They're absolutely awful. Maybe you're thinking of different thumbnails but those are the only ones I noticed.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

macrumors G3
Oct 27, 2009
8,878
10,987
Which thumbnails and animations are we talking about? The Note 4's/touchwiz's animations are awful. Did you see when you close the app how ugly the animation is (and how long they take to start after you press the app)? Looks worse than iOS' from 2007. And what thumbnails? The ones in messaging and contacts? They're hideous, like I always say, I don't want to see my contacts face every time I send them a message and after every message in the conversation. There's a reason stock android doesn't have these. They're absolutely awful. Maybe you're thinking of different thumbnails but those are the only ones I noticed.

There are so hideous that the iPhone 6 Plus includes thumbnails. :p
 

pdqgp

macrumors 68020
Mar 23, 2010
2,131
5,460
Lag gone? No... Just look at when you unlock the device. And don't say it's because it a prepro because it happens on every android phone I've used. Theres significant lag when opening the gallery app, when loading pictures, when launching every app.

More mis-information. I suppose you're going to force me to make a movie to prove you wrong. Swipe to unluck my phone or when needed, type in my passcode and it flashes directly to the home screen....ZERO lag or delay.

Same with Photos and movies and I have hundreds of pics on my phone. Launch the app and photos tile on the display immediately.

Galaxy Note 3, Nova Launcher pro & animations OFF. ZERO lag.
 
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