The Next Big MMO?

[Huntn]

Ive been playing WOW a long time and it gets boring everytime. Its simpler with every patch and dull. Recently i deleted it and will not return especially with cataclysm around the corner.

I'm pretty confident I'm done with WoW although I admit to special feelings for it.

For me TERA will be nice because of the non autolock on creeps.

What does that mean? I did read this Tera article at MMORPG.com. When I think of oriental MMO, based on reading, I think grind, even more grind than WoW, although I've never played an oriental MMO. Is that accurate?

 

[Dragonforce]

Like I said earlier in this thread - the next big thing is FFXIV

 

[rasmasyean]

I assume Eve players know all about the Council of Stellar Management, a group that meets every 6 months to decide where the game (Eve) should go. Most intriguing is that his council includes 9 player reps that are elected by other players and they are flown to Iceland to meet and in some cases scream at the developers. Apparently this council has real developmental weight.

Good report in the June 2010 of PCGamer, p56 about this process. It makes Eve sound like an interesting place to play. This virtual space seems to be a good example of anarchy with lots of drama- bank heists, infiltrating corporations to wholesale pilfer them, the story of Goonfleet, a huge corporation (player guild) whose leader goes off on a real life vacation but forgets to set up fund transfers for property holdings and as a result, they loose most of their property. The owner loots whats left and skedaddles to another part of the galaxy. It all most tempts me to try it out. But my logical side says "another huge time sink".

They are adding a "planetary" expansion arround the corner. Maybe it's to step forward toward the XBox FPS companion.

Actually, depending on how you play, a EVE can be a large part a "background game". If they don't already have dual monitor setups by now, many people get an extra monitor to play this game a little more easily in this fashion...so you don't have to constantly switch, etc. And others who sport 2 (or more) accounts pretty much run clients in the background and switch to them. It doesn't always require a great deal of attention like WoW. Even in PVE, I used to run a setup that is nearly "hands-off". You just fly there, do some aggro, and setup and leave it...maybe switch in every few minutes to see if it's finished.

Some of it can be done "socially" too, where you basically do some activity that requires a lot of "waiting", and then when someone says "OMG! Enemy inbound!", then you run to battle stations...hehe. But often you have to hear someones voice going on about random topics if it's not "fleet commander babble", so that can be a "time sink" if you consider hanging out with online ppl a waste of time. But if you can ignore what they say, you can concentrate on something else. One thing about EVE is that there can be a lot of "chatroom babble" that goes on. Almost like an intergalatic CB radio. lol And there are just some ppl who just loooove to talk. omg...

Of course, as others have mentioned, it's a big step to take into the game before you're comfortable because the amount of details are pretty much unmatched.

 

[rasmasyean]

Like I said earlier in this thread - the next big thing is FFXIV

I wouldn't count on it. I'm pretty sure WoW Cataclysm will be the next big thing. It's going to be a pretty big revamp so I'm sure many returning players as well as new players will try that, especially since more and more ppl are getting into online games. There's also a Warcraft Movie comming abouts sometime in the future too. Maybe the release date will be near? I dunno.

 

[Hackint0sh]

I dont let myself play MMO's anymore....:'( I love them so much though!

This.

 

[Dragonforce]

I wouldn't count on it. I'm pretty sure WoW Cataclysm will be the next big thing. It's going to be a pretty big revamp so I'm sure many returning players as well as new players will try that, especially since more and more ppl are getting into online games. There's also a Warcraft Movie comming abouts sometime in the future too. Maybe the release date will be near? I dunno.

I pity those people still playing that ancient POS...

 

[rasmasyean]

I pity those people still playing that ancient POS...

I personally haven't played it in years myself. But I think one has to aprreciate the fact that many people still play that "ancient POS" with good reason. To doubt that this MMO was truly ahead of it's time and hit the right marks (and will do so again) will simply be giving into your personal biases. You don't see ppl lining up around the block overnight (sometimes in constumes) to buy a copy of FF when it first comes out do you? WoW releases are a media event...which very few video games match. Especially niche classes like MMO's.

 

[Huntn]

I personally haven't played it in years myself. But I think one has to aprreciate the fact that many people still play that "ancient POS" with good reason. To doubt that this MMO was truly ahead of it's time and hit the right marks (and will do so again) will simply be giving into your personal biases. You don't see ppl lining up around the block overnight (sometimes in constumes) to buy a copy of FF when it first comes out do you? WoW releases are a media event...which very few video games match. Especially niche classes like MMO's.

+3

WoW is the best. Subscriptions numbers bear this out. Could it be better? Hell yes. Do the "ancient" graphics bother me? Not in the least. So what does that say about the game? I'd say other factors take precedence. (Btw, I'm WoW retired.)

 

[Dragonforce]

+3

WoW is the best. Subscriptions numbers bear this out. Could it be better? Hell yes. Do the "ancient" graphics bother me? Not in the least. So what does that say about the game? I'd say other factors take precedence. (Btw, I'm WoW retired.)

Its definitely not the best. Its the MMO most people play. No idea why. They're all Lemmings. Their friend plays > he recommends because he's addicted > new guy starts playing. Like a disease spreading.

It the same thing with Windows. Does it make it the best just because millions of people use it ? No. A little group called Mac users use something called OS X, and a few smart people even use Linux. But they get pointed and laughed at by the Lemmings.

People are stuck with WoW - because it was their first MMO. They don't want to give up all their glory and virtual friends and try another game. Blizzard keeps milking them. Its kinda like Apples ad from 1984. Someone has to wake those freaks up.

 

[rasmasyean]

Its definitely not the best. Its the MMO most people play. No idea why. They're all Lemmings. Their friend plays > he recommends because he's addicted > new guy starts playing. Like a disease spreading.

It the same thing with Windows. Does it make it the best just because millions of people use it ? No. A little group called Mac users use something called OS X, and a few smart people even use Linux. But they get pointed and laughed at by the Lemmings.

People are stuck with WoW - because it was their first MMO. They don't want to give up all their glory and virtual friends and try another game. Blizzard keeps milking them. Its kinda like Apples ad from 1984. Someone has to wake those freaks up.

Well, it’s just like anything. Someone likes (or is addicted…because s/he likes) recommends friends to play…and then they also like. I mean, do you always continue with something your friend recommended just because they did? Not I. It’s not a disease, just because you are a news statistic who lost GF / Wife / Kids / dog… That’s just a few ppl in the whole population.

And besides DX10 (which most gamers have heard of)...out like 3+ years already, Windows is dominant because it’s the best general business OS STILL by far. If you want to tell this to all the pro CS, Engineering, MBA "lemmings" who started this fad, be my guess. From there it spread to the homes. It’s not because of lemmings. Linux sucks period for anything other than servers. Don’t even try to argue this. The Linux taking over the market prophecy has been predicted since inception. The OMG! Linux opportunity in cheap axe netbooks that can't run anything! Yay for Linux! Wait...they are mostly Windows XP...the 9 year old OS. Oh well...Linux on Phones! Which can run even less! Yay for Android...but that's not a "computer" is it?

Many of the ppl who play WoW religiously are ppl who have played SWG, FF, EQ, and all those. Many others play because their friends are there…but someone there is having fun so they like it and the ppl who stay like it too. Though Blizzard has talent in “hooking you”, that’s not to say that other games don’t attempt to do the same thing. To think otherwise is just delusional.

 

[Huntn]

Its definitely not the best. Its the MMO most people play. No idea why. They're all Lemmings. Their friend plays > he recommends because he's addicted > new guy starts playing. Like a disease spreading.

I disagree with your assessment. Ultimately if you are not having fun, you are not going to stick with a game. And as Ras said, a good many of these people including myself, have tried many other MMOs and ended coming back to WoW. I've played 6 MMOs, some in beta, some in retail and none of them measured up to the standard set by WoW. Yes, it's an opinion that I'm sure many disagree with, but if you measure success by participation, WoW wins. If it makes you feel better, it's not the best for everyone.

 

[jaysinnva]

Like I said earlier in this thread - the next big thing is FFXIV

I think I may give this one a shot, it looks good so far. I tried XI, but couldn't get into it years ago. Now that I've been playing WoW, I feel a bit more comfortable with the whole MMO thing.

 

[Huntn]

I've resurrected this thread. Deal with it! What is YOUR next big MMO going to be? It does not have to be on the Mac either.

As of 20Feb11, mine is going to be Star Wars: The Old Republic. In my history of MMOs, the first was Planetside (scifi), played for 18 months, which I chose over Star Wars Galaxies (thank God), then World of Warcraft (fantasy), which I played for 2.5 years with a break in the middle. I need a change of pace and am moving back to scifi. There is enough I've read that leads me to believe, TOR could be good, then again ya never know. Anyway I have my fingers crossed. Any game I play for over 1 year is a success in my book.

 

[7254278]

I've resurrected this thread. Deal with it! What is YOUR next big MMO going to be? I does not have to be on the Mac either.

As of 20Feb11, mine is going to be Star Wars: The Old Republic. In my history of MMOs, the first was Planetside (scifi), played for 18 months, which I chose over Star Wars Galaxies (thank God), then World of Warcraft (fantasy), which I played for 2.5 years with a break in the middle. I need a change of pace and am moving back to scifi. There is enough I've read that leads me to believe, TOR could be good, then again ya never know. Anyway I have my fingers crossed. Any game I play for over 1 year is a success in my book.

I am dying for a new MMO myself and this looks great. . . When is it coming out do you think? Probably wont have a mac version right?

 

[7254278]

Oh and on a sidenote. . . Ive been hankering for an MMO set in a post-apocalyptic setting. . . Kinda like Fallout meets Mad Max, I see there is one already out(the name escapes me) but it doesnt look all that great. . .

 

[juliancs]

Pre-ordered Rift and can't wait to get into it!

 

[Huntn]

I am dying for a new MMO myself and this looks great. . . When is it coming out do you think? Probably wont have a mac version right?

Last I heard was Fall 2011. I don't think there will be a Mac native version. I'll be boot camping it. Plan on upgrading my MBP soon, before Fall anyway.

Pre-ordered Rift and can't wait to get into it!

I was thinking Rift was all ready out. I must of heard beta players talking. Hope it works for ya!

 

[vincenz]

I think a lot of people will still be playing wow even 10 years from now. Its a blizzard game after all.

 

[Liquorpuki]

My first MMO was Anarchy Online which I loved. Played a ton of them since then and most of them sucked. Last MMO I tried was DC Online and I got bored in 2 weeks. Been playing WOW on and off since release and I haven't run into anything better.

The only games I'm curious about are Star Wars: The Old Republic and the Secret World. I played SWG and even though it was buggy as hell, I enjoyed it until Sony ruined the game. Wondering how this new one will hold up. Secret World is from Funcom, and if they can put out something on the level of Anarchy Online, it'll be worth it.

 

[7254278]

My main gripe with WoW is the world is completely static, nothing you do changes the game world at all, its all a grind to get better equipment, there is no satisfaction apart from having a new shiny sword or what not. I love the atmosphere, detail and easter-eggs but every time I play it I cant help but feel, meh, whats the point, im just gonna kill things and bring back X amount of skins or carcasses to an NPC to get some XP and maybe something shiny to put on. . . MEH. . .

 

[Huntn]

The only games I'm curious about are Star Wars: The Old Republic and the Secret World.

Hopefully SW:TOR will delight.

My main gripe with WoW is the world is completely static, nothing you do changes the game world at all, its all a grind to get better equipment, there is no satisfaction apart from having a new shiny sword or what not. I love the atmosphere, detail and easter-eggs but every time I play it I cant help but feel, meh, whats the point, im just gonna kill things and bring back X amount of skins or carcasses to an NPC to get some XP and maybe something shiny to put on. . . MEH. . .

Welcome to most MMOs. Dynamic worlds are few and far between (if any). I lose it at the end game usually. I like exploration, I don't like the concept of 'daily dungeons' although I do like that they were relatively quick in WoW.

 

[7254278]

Hopefully SW:TOR will delight.



Welcome to most MMOs. Dynamic worlds are few and far between (if any). I lose it at the end game usually. I like exploration, I don't like the concept of 'daily dungeons' although I do like that they were relatively quick inn WoW.

Someone needs to get on that lol. . .

 

[Liquorpuki]

Welcome to most MMOs. Dynamic worlds are few and far between (if any). I lose it at the end game usually. I like exploration, I don't like the concept of 'daily dungeons' although I do like that they were relatively quick inn WoW.

I don't know if you played SWG but that game (before Sony wrecked it) was actually a pretty deep MMO with a totally wider scope than anything out right now, except for maybe Second Life. The developer's name was Ralph Koster and he also worked on Ultima Online. His vision for these MMORPG's was a self-sufficient virtual community - you could fight, socialize, run a business, etc. You actually had classes in that game that didn't do any fighting at all and just played music all day. Crafting was ridiculous - you could actually craft stuff like factories that would get built on plots of land in the game and become part of the landscape. AI was way more advanced as well. The only bad thing about it was SWG wasn't finished when it was released and was buggy as hell and it was never remedied.

WOW came along and simplified everything by removing everything except the fighting. But the game was so polished it worked and made a ton of money. So now every game that gets released tries to be like WOW. And a lot of them, like DC Online, for lack of money or resources, are just more simplified versions of WOW. Meanwhile the older MMORPG's were actually deeper and more ambitious. If an SWG type game with an ambitious scope ever came out again, that I'd be eager to play. But WOW totally put a lid on the vision of what these games could be which is a shame because Devs are just making cookie cutter MMO's right now with maybe a license attached to it.

 

[Huntn]

I don't know if you played SWG but that game (before Sony wrecked it) was actually a pretty deep MMO with a totally wider scope than anything out right now, except for maybe Second Life. The developer's name was Ralph Koster and he also worked on Ultima Online. His vision for these MMORPG's was a self-sufficient virtual community - you could fight, socialize, run a business, etc. You actually had classes in that game that didn't do any fighting at all and just played music all day. Crafting was ridiculous - you could actually craft stuff like factories that would get built on plots of land in the game and become part of the landscape. AI was way more advanced as well. The only bad thing about it was SWG wasn't finished when it was released and was buggy as hell and it was never remedied.

WOW came along and simplified everything by removing everything except the fighting. But the game was so polished it worked and made a ton of money. So now every game that gets released tries to be like WOW. And a lot of them, like DC Online, for lack of money or resources, are just more simplified versions of WOW. Meanwhile the older MMORPG's were actually deeper and more ambitious. If an SWG type game with an ambitious scope ever came out again, that I'd be eager to play. But WOW totally put a lid on the vision of what these games could be which is a shame because Devs are just making cookie cutter MMO's right now with maybe a license attached to it.

Everything you said sounded good except trying to compare a MMORPG like WoW with Second Life, a social hangout site.

 

[Liquorpuki]

Everything you said sounded good except trying to compare a MMORPG like WoW with Second Life, a social hangout site.

lol... do you remember the Sims Online? Pretty much the same thing. I remember back when it was a big deal for an MMORPG to have player housing and virtual world elements. Now none of them have it.

I think WOW's success just redefined the MMORPG to a more limited scope - no housing, simpler crafting and economy, crappy creature AI, simpler skill trees, less classes, etc - nothing but a level grind where you just raid or pvp in the end. And the crappy thing is it's the best MMO out right now. Its success made the genre regress.