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The next MacBook Pro redesign (merged)
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Actually I think Apple could release a quad core 13" today or at least with skylake. I wonder why they don't maybe overall performance would be worst for most single threaded apps.
Actually there are no 15W or 28W Quad core Skylake CPUs (Just like Ivy, Haswell, Broadwell, now Skylake and Kabylake next year) so unless you are an Intel insider possessing knowledge of them launching these parts any time soon, I doubt that they could put a quad core with the appropriate TDP on the 13" tomorrow. The reason they "can't" (not that they "won't") is because there are no quad cores in the 28W range. If you want a quad core on a 13" you did have to take the same chips on the 15" (47W) and place them on the 13", which won't be able to dissipate the heat just because that particular rMB's cooling system wasn't designed for those processors. Maybe with Cannonlake in 2017 with its advanced 10nm node, they will be able (again, maybe) to make quad cores in a range appropriate (15W - 28W) for 13in notebooks.
What I am saying is that Apple could design the 13" cooling system in a way and also clock down the CPUs in a way that they work in the 13" today if they wanted to. The power dissipation numbers are only worst case.
They "could", but there's little history to suggest they would. Their past design investment indicates a design language favoring thin and light, and they slot ~28W TDP chips into the 13" to make that work. If there are no quadcore chips with integrated graphics at that thermal envelope, there's very little evidence they'll change tack and build a thicker or otherwise different 13" MBP to accomodate a 47W TDP chip inside. Form leads function, for them in this case.
Unfortunately I have to agree. On the other hand - no reason for me to upgrade my 2013 13". Saves me a lot of money...
Isn't the cooling system identical to the 15"? Looking at the ifixit on 13" and 15" they seem identical except the 13" is missing one fan (the 2012 model use to have 2). Other than the size I don't think cooling is necessarily the problem with the 13", rather there isn't a 28 watt quad core CPU which is the problem. The 15" can hold a much larger battery to compensate the extra cores while the 13" cannot (not to mention there might be a PSU issue as well).
Maybe, but as you said two problems still remain. That and apparently by the leaked skylake and kabylake roadmap they are not interested in releasing 28W HQ (High performance graphics, Quad core) CPUs, at least for the time being. Also I don't think the 13" was designed with quad core in mind, I mean if it were they would be offering it as a BTO today.
I don't think a 28 watt quad core is currently possible, at least Intel isn't going to release one anytime soon. I mean the HQ quad cores is essentially the 28 watt CPU but with 2 more cores plus 128 MB eDRAM (single core scores are nearly identical). Until we start seeing desktops regularly have six core CPUs then I doubt we'll see a quad core 13" as much as many people want. Makes a good excuse though for different models.
My thoughts exactly. Until hexa or octacore CPUs trickle down to the 15" the possibility of a quad 13" is non existent.
Has anyone here bought the new latest 2015 Macbook Pro 15" w/ 2.8GHz i7 quad-core and 1TB? Any issues I should be aware of? What are the pros and cons you have about it? Should I wait when the rMBP has the new Skylake CPU or should I buy the current one and not wait?
Also, does anyone know if the dGPU will get an upgrade when Skylake debuts?
Also, does anyone know if the dGPU will get an upgrade when Skylake debuts?
i'm speaking out of my butt, but I bet Apple would much rather trade battery life and redesign than putting a quad core into a 13" laptop.
Besides, it doesn't seem like TDP has been going down for a while, guessing the dye shrinks are used for performance enhancement versus fitting more cores in.
Besides, it doesn't seem like TDP has been going down for a while, guessing the dye shrinks are used for performance enhancement versus fitting more cores in.
There are 28watts quad core cpus on the Skylake-H side:
http://wccftech.com/intel-skylake-h...lagship-core-i76820eq-xeon-e31500m-gt4e-igpu/
Could they use these?
I'd still expect the 13" to be a dual core CPU. If you want quad core, I'm still thinking that the 15" will be needed.
I still highly doubt this will make it into the 13". This would directly compete with the 15" model and Apple knows that. I'm guessing until hexa-core CPU make their way into laptops we won't be seeing a quad core 13" anytime soon. This particular CPU I can see be used in Alienware and Razorblades laptops. But this does make it likely for Apple to implement this in the Mac Mini if the sockets are identical to the dual core 28 watt models that the 13" share.
But it seems that it will only have the GT2 GPU so makes it very unlikely for Apple to use.
It's not impossible that those quad-core chips could end up in a redesigned MBP, but it seems unlikely to me. For one, the Xeon chips especially are likely to be expensive. Two, single-threaded performance is generally better in a dual-core design than a quad-core of the same TDP, and for most users, single-threaded performance plays a bigger role in how they use their computer. Third, it's still the 28w U-series chips that get the Iris graphics. Fourth is the possibility that those chips use a larger total area which would play into how they fit into the device. Fifth is the fact that those 28w chips they use now are already class-leading for laptops anywhere near the size of the 13" Pro. There is no market incentive to put something even more powerful in there when most of the competition is using 15w parts with lower-spec graphics.
They may shrink the 15 down to 14, like they did with the new retina Macbook. Lenovo has already done this. Broadwell was also first launched on PC laptops. I guess Apple need a bit more time designing and engineering the new form factors.
This 14" has a quad core CPU.
Lenovo IdeaPad Y410P review - Engadget
Today processing power on laptops is so great that only professionals, who need the tool rather than want it, should buy the Pro segment. Any hobbyist or technerd with free time to play, doesn't need the CPU power of quad core, to shave off their "work" hours with a more efficient computer.
I think Xeon fits very well along the Pro offerings from Apple, also in the laptop segment. Everybody wants to get rid of their desktops
Even hungry powernerds like me.
This 14" has a quad core CPU.
Lenovo IdeaPad Y410P review - Engadget
Today processing power on laptops is so great that only professionals, who need the tool rather than want it, should buy the Pro segment. Any hobbyist or technerd with free time to play, doesn't need the CPU power of quad core, to shave off their "work" hours with a more efficient computer.
I think Xeon fits very well along the Pro offerings from Apple, also in the laptop segment. Everybody wants to get rid of their desktops
Even hungry powernerds like me.
I'm with you 100%, provided that they at least keep the Magsafe2 separate but regretfully I also share with you that's it is only wishful thinking.
I'm also hoping they do not get rid of MagSafe. The next redesign is most likely going to be thinner so I hope they can make a MagSafe 3.
Purchased the first mid 2012 retina Macbook Pro and had it's display and logic board replaced last year. After the PCIe addition and better battery life (my mid 2012 has horrendous battery life) - I thought it was time to refresh and purchased the mid 2015 model today. 2.5GHz with 16GB and 512GB. Thought the 1TB was overkill and the processor upgrade wasn't worth it as I have a 2TB external anyway.
Very pleased with the mid 2015 model. Much more smoother all around.
Very pleased with the mid 2015 model. Much more smoother all around.
Same here. I have the mid 2015 and I like it a lot. It runs really smooth and the ssd is blazing fast. I have no intention of upgrading until canon lake comes along. I'm just really curious to see what apple comes out with for the next redesign.
My prediction: 12" and 14" rMB, and the next Pro redesign will see a bump in the screen sizes to 14" and 16". MBA gets a processor upgrade with Skylake at most and will be gone sometime in 2017 if not earlier. That leaves just the rMB and rMBP in Apple's lineup.
How do people see the MBP going design wise in relation to the MBA and MacBook lines? E.g. If the MBP went higher end Xeon E3, would the MBA then keep it's current positioning, or get removed, and the MacBook have a larger model(s) to make a lineup of MacBooks?
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