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SSD-GUY

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They don't have a cash cow called iPhone, so they have to innovate something else ... like "antique" laptops :)

True. The only thing keeping me from getting a Windows laptop are the trackpads, and I think the XPS' aren't brilliant. That being said, I've read that Microsoft have done really well with the trackpad in the surface book.
 

polbit

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Leave the CPU tech-geek obsession to the folks who keep posting on this thread about Dell.

Skylake will be a great addition to the new MacBook Pro for the following main reasons (as I see it):
- integration of CPU and GPU = lower power = more battery time
- new architecture, new process = lower power = more battery time

Tech-geek obsessions with GHz, FLOPs and gaming benchmarks are largely irrelevant (unless you're in the market for a new Dell, for example). Even then, shouldn't you be in your bedroom with your liquid nitrogen cooling rig?

I'm looking forward to the new design, but it's a killer to have to wait till WWDC. Unfortunately, I cannot see any other suitable launch window for the new MBP. They might even get Intel to pull out all the stops and give us Kaby Lake by then...

Last time I checked, Macbook Pro was not an iPad, and specs in a Pro machine DO matter. Apple already gave us the "beautifully thin" 12" Macbook for people like you, the least they could do is leave the Pro line alone, so it has the power and thermals to actually accomplish some more serious work.
 

polbit

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True. The only thing keeping me from getting a Windows laptop are the trackpads, and I think the XPS' aren't brilliant. That being said, I've read that Microsoft have done really well with the trackpad in the surface book.

I have to say that Surface Book probably has the best Windows PC trackpad I used to date. That being said, it is still lacking as compared to any Mac I've used in the past 4-5 years. It boggles my mind that something as important as the primary user interface still eludes the PC world.
 

CmdrLaForge

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I don't think that many desire a redesign. We're just speculating that Apple will do it. For example my second post I think it will be redesigned in 2016 but I'm not interested in a redistribution per say.

I actually would like a redesigned MacBook Pro with
  • all the colors they offer on MacBook
  • a bezel free design
  • a 14" and 16" laptop with both quad core cpu but overall same size as today due to the bezel free design
Nothing is wrong with the current design.

  • I like the shape
  • No need to be thinner at cost of performance
 

CmdrLaForge

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You are aware that shape and design are not mutually exclusive. Being that the screen and keyboard are both rectangular in shape there is no way for Apple to update the shape to anything other than what it already is. What are you expecting, it to be cylindrical in shape?

He means from the side like the air
 

Hexiii

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If they go with the wedge design, I can't help but wonder how it will be considered different then a MBA/MB

I think a new design may be in the works, this next generation but I fear that apple will roll out a thinner laptop with less ports and call that innovation.

I think the MBA will be discontinued, replaced with the MacBook line, since now the "air" doesn't make sense. The MBP could then acquire the wedge design, but I hope they will stick with the current thickness and rather focus on improving the specs as it is a "Pro".

I wouldn't mind a Space Grey MBP, though.
 

mayuka

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The MBP could then acquire the wedge design, but I hope they will stick with the current thickness and rather focus on improving the specs as it is a "Pro".

Microsofts first notebook has caused a lot of attention. It looks very similar to current MBP models but is way better spec'ed. Maybe the next MBP will be directed toward this direction. It would even be possible to make them a little thinner than current models.
 

monarchy

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I commend you for the self-control, I went into Best Buy this weekend just to look, and walked out with the 15" MBP...

Yeah well I actually placed an order for my 13" MBP this past Sunday. I can't wait next year for a new one to come out. I need it now so I can use it for work. Unfortunately, I didn't realize it was going to be shipped from China.
 

Oppenheim

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Last time I checked, Macbook Pro was not an iPad, and specs in a Pro machine DO matter. Apple already gave us the "beautifully thin" 12" Macbook for people like you, the least they could do is leave the Pro line alone, so it has the power and thermals to actually accomplish some more serious work.

Wow. I predict the new MBP will be 20% thinner. And yes, beauty matters. The MBP is a balance between portability and raw plugged-in performance, with a slight tipping of the balance in favour of performance.
 

doitdada

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Even better than beauty ... a product that you would actually bring with you because of its form factor and adequate performance.
 
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Dydegu

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I think the MBA will be discontinued, replaced with the MacBook line, since now the "air" doesn't make sense. The MBP could then acquire the wedge design, but I hope they will stick with the current thickness and rather focus on improving the specs as it is a "Pro".

I wouldn't mind a Space Grey MBP, though.

Apple needs an entry level laptop. A $1300 rMB with one port isn't suitable for the back to school / college market / those looking to get an Apple laptop on a budget. Naming conventions aside, until USB-C becomes more universal and until the rMB drops in price, something akin to the MBA needs to still exist.
 

cmChimera

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Apple needs an entry level laptop. A $1300 rMB with one port isn't suitable for the back to school / college market / those looking to get an Apple laptop on a budget. Naming conventions aside, until USB-C becomes more universal and until the rMB drops in price, something akin to the MBA needs to still exist.
The rMB will get cheaper.
 
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Nismo73

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An article on motley fool about Apple having a big increase in capital expenditures for 2016. Follows something similar to 2012 when there was a big increase when the redesigned MacBook Pro and iMac came out.
 

Lexdexia

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My ideal specs are a pipe dream at best:
- $1500 or less
- 13.3" Retina display
- dGPU
- 10 hour battery life
- 802.11ac
- 500GB SSD HDD
- USB 3.0
- 1080p camera
- less than 4lb
- 4-16GB RAM

I know, it will never happen.

Did you just describe the Surface Book?

I really wish Apple offered a dGPU for MacBook Pro. Intel's integrated GPU is a joke, it can barely render OS X animations smoothly, what makes it even remotely reputable for Pro-level work?
 
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Patrick-Photo

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Did you just describe the Surface Book?

I really wish Apple offered a dGPU for MacBook Pro. Intel's integrated GPU is a joke, it can barely render OS X animations smoothly, what makes it even remotely reputable for Pro-level work?

When you talk about current GPU's yes and no... the Iris (Pro) GPUs are quite strong but indeed are no match for a dGPU. With the upcoming Skylake GPUs the Iris Pro replacement (HD580) will most likely be as strong as or stronger than the current R9 m370X.
 

cmChimera

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Did you just describe the Surface Book?

I really wish Apple offered a dGPU for MacBook Pro. Intel's integrated GPU is a joke, it can barely render OS X animations smoothly, what makes it even remotely reputable for Pro-level work?
Because not all professionals need a dedicated GPU. If you need one, good news, Apple sells a MacBook Pro with one.
 

Lexdexia

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Because not all professionals need a dedicated GPU. If you need one, good news, Apple sells a MacBook Pro with one.

If you don't need a dGPU, then you're likely not professional enough. You really can't run AutoCAD or any other Pro-level software smoothly on iGPUs.
 

Caribbean Mac

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There has been 3 years for the MBP hardware upgrade and it shows in the declining sales this year Wait until Apple finally wakes up and upgrades to 6th generation i7 chip and NVIDIA 985M graphics card and all other already available hardware.
 

doitdada

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If you don't need a dGPU, then you're likely not professional enough. You really can't run AutoCAD or any other Pro-level software smoothly on iGPUs.

Get rid of the dGPU, it is noisy and has always caused problems in retrospect.

The difference isn't huge between the Iris Pro HD 6100 Mobile and the M370X
http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Iris-Pro-HD-6100-Mobile-vs-AMD-R9-M370X/m25925vsm30774

I was a fan of the dGPU and still is, but not in laptops anymore. Get a desktop computer that can handle that kind of heat. By the way, I am a professional and I use a base model Macbook 1.1GHz for on-the-fly editing 36MP RAWs without problems. It's not as fast as the rMBP 2015 with a dedicated graphics card, but I have yet to be turned down from clients in regards to poor performance from my hardware.

In other words the lightness and the adequate power it provides makes me even more professional as I can bring it with me wherever I want with ease.

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There has been 3 years for the MBP hardware upgrade and it shows in the declining sales this year Wait until Apple finally wakes up and upgrades to 6th generation i7 chip and NVIDIA 985M graphics card and all other already available hardware.

Haha. They are struggling to get a remake of a card from 2011 to function probably without overheating in the current 15" chassis, and you want to push it all the way to the heaviest model on the market. You are in other words asking for an extra inch of height along with the noisiest and hottest machine out there. Get a PC, gamer.

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AirdanMR

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If you don't need a dGPU, then you're likely not professional enough. You really can't run AutoCAD or any other Pro-level software smoothly on iGPUs.

There are a lot of kinds of "pros" in the world and everyone has its needs. If you think that some of them are more pro than the others for needing more GPU power then you have a really poor vision of the laboral world.

But following your statement... I think that if they are pro enough to need a dGPU then they are pro enough to use a desktop workstation with a quadro / firepro gpu (or gpus).

I'm curious... What kind of jobs were you thinking about?
 

cmChimera

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If you don't need a dGPU, then you're likely not professional enough. You really can't run AutoCAD or any other Pro-level software smoothly on iGPUs.
Not all professions use AutoCAD. If you need a dGPU on your notebook for your profession, then buy a 15" Macbook Pro. It has one.
 

Lexdexia

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Not all professions use AutoCAD. If you need a dGPU on your notebook for your profession, then buy a 15" Macbook Pro. It has one.
If I wanted a laptop without a dGPU I would have just opted for the 12-inch MacBook. I'm saying it's ridiculous for Apple to be selling MacBook Pros as premium, pro-level notebooks without a dGPU. The Surface Book looked like a real competition to the 13-inch MacBook Pro because they're priced about the same and yet the Surface Book offers a NVidia dGPU which delivers superior graphical performance that iGPUs can never do.
 

Oppenheim

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I predict the next MBP will have integrated GPU. It's performance will be only slightly better than current gen and will provide 5k over one of the USB-C ports.

If you're "professional enough" (as in the stupid comment above) to be doing whatever fancy 3-D design in 5k or whatever, then go and buy a proper machine without the power constraints and everything else.

The power savings of new battery technology + Skylake + integrated GPU + El Capitan + loads of other power shavings will be immense. Think 12 hours light development work on a single charge. To those moaning about the death of MagSafe earlier: MagSafe will be consigned to the museum because i) folks won't need to be plugged in ALL the time and ii) the lighter weight machine would require a redesign.

New MBP will be thinner, but not by much (maybe 10 or 15% thinner). Battery volume will increase.
 
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