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The next MacBook Pro redesign (merged)
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Talk of iPhone 7 having 3.5mm removed.
http://9to5mac.com/2015/11/27/iphone-7-headphone-jack-lightning/
It's a miracle it's lasted over 15 years into 21st century.
http://9to5mac.com/2015/11/27/iphone-7-headphone-jack-lightning/
It's a miracle it's lasted over 15 years into 21st century.
Hi all,
I'm a bit tech lame and considering changing my entire computer scheme. I was thinking since I need my computer in 3 places and currently have 3 iMacs of various age instead of doing that perhaps a Macbook Pro and monitors in each location is the better answer for me. And an external HD for my massive iTunes library so the Macbook isn't overrun.
I notice the board recommends against the new Retina Macbook Pro at this time. Is there a major revision soon or ??? It's probably covered in these 27 pages but I'm not getting all of it. I'm just trying to plan for the next 5 years.
I'm a bit tech lame and considering changing my entire computer scheme. I was thinking since I need my computer in 3 places and currently have 3 iMacs of various age instead of doing that perhaps a Macbook Pro and monitors in each location is the better answer for me. And an external HD for my massive iTunes library so the Macbook isn't overrun.
I notice the board recommends against the new Retina Macbook Pro at this time. Is there a major revision soon or ??? It's probably covered in these 27 pages but I'm not getting all of it. I'm just trying to plan for the next 5 years.
When (what time of year) do they announce the new Mac Books? Is the 15" MBp due for a redesign this year or did it happen no so long ago?
I have a hard time believing that the Intel Integrated GPU would match performance AND use only half the power of GPU + separate CPU. While I can believe that it uses only half the power, matching the performance of a dedicated GPU seems a bit far fetched. Mainly because to achieve any significant power savings (anything above 30% such as the 50% you're suggesting) you have to have the integrated CPU/GPU use resource sharing (ie Same Memory, Same Data Bus, Same Processor Cache, etc.), which would seriously cut down on performance.
Despite Moore's law, there is only so far processor power can go. Most of the recent advances in speed have come from parallel processing, whose power resides on the GPU. While more CPUs are using multi-cores there are many "day-to-day" processing tasks which are unable to be parallelized (see "Inherently Serial" at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_algorithm#Parallelizability )
If Intel can as you say create an integrated GPU / CPU that uses half the power of Nvidia while maintaining the performance, then that most likely means Nvidia is incompetent. And I don't think you get selected as the GPU of Xbox or get included in MacBook and iMacs if you are incompetent.
I admit though my knowledge of the situation is not perfect, so correct me if I said anything in error.
The problem is shunting the data over to the GPU, performing the operation and shunting the data back into memory. This must be managed by the CPU. And NVidia are not incompetent. I have programmed in CUDA (in a HPC environment, not for use on a portable computer). They make excellent products.
Let's be honest - for about a third of the people that want and can afford a new form factor the major reason for buying is so they can go to Starbucks and be the the coolest person in the room. I know someone who will visit 6 different Starbucks in one day just to show off the new machine. If the new rMPB looks the same as it does now he will be crushed.
My prediction (disclaimer: I know nothing, like Jon Snow) is that Air line will be dropped and replaced with the new Macbooks, and Pro line will be moved into an enclosure the shape/size of current Air. Your friend will be absolutely devastated 
Navaria - that is completely delicious!!! He will have to spend $2,300 to have an early 2016 rMBP and it will look like a 2014 Book Air!!! Ha Ha! He better hope the make a GOLD model. He hates GOLDD but it will stand out at Starbucks.My prediction (disclaimer: I know nothing, like Jon Snow) is that Air line will be dropped and replaced with the new Macbooks, and Pro line will be moved into an enclosure the shape/size of current Air. Your friend will be absolutely devastated
For me, it's not about showing off the machine (mine is attached to a monitor at home). Sure, there are some who do, but I believe the current design is starting to look dated. And although some point to the retina MBP's as a redesign, I don't. To me, the visual language is the same.
Part of Apple's allure is it's emphasis on industrial design. So looking forward to a new form factor is in part an appreciation of great design.
CUDA being the reason I'm crossing my fingers that MBPs go back 2 Nvidia. OpenCL is good but my understanding is that CUDA does (some) things better.
Plus I'd like to not have to port my CUDA code to OpenCL
Most of us are expecting to see something within the first quarter of 2016.
I watched a youtube review (cnet?) comparing the air and pro and the conclusion was that an air form factor with retina display would be ideal. Then again, is the slim form factor compatible with the number of ports that the pro has?
The new rMB should pretty much show that there is little Apple could do to the current design except make it thinner and reduce the bezels. Lets also be honest - the rMB is basically a thinner, lighter, Macbook Air with colors.
Heck - even the new Surface Book, XPS, Razer Blade, etc. look like rMBPs. I could personally skip a rMBP redesign if it means Apples is only to give it 2 USB-C ports, and have the CPU throttle to get it thinner.
Apple has already done this with the new Macbook (retina screen with Air body). For the new Pro series, I think Apple will have to find a perfect balance between style and power. Anyone who expects the new Macbook Pro to be as thin as an Air will be very disappointed. Keep in mind, Apple markets the Pro series to both students and professionals. Both the 13" and 15" models are very popular for photographers, graphic artist, app developers and programers. The Pro series is the only laptop that combines decent power with OSX in a portable package. If Apple sacrifices extra power and gets rid of popular ports (like HDMI) just for style, they risk loosing a big chunk of current macbook Pro owners who would have upgraded. Luckily, the people at Apple are not stupid. They have already created the Macbook to cater to the people who want a sexy laptop and don't need much power. I'd be almost willing to bet that they are going to make the new Pro series quite powerful with crazy good battery life, even if it means it won't be drastically thinner or lighter than the current model.
As for the ports, I think its almost guaranteed that Apple will reduce the number of ports but I don't think they will go to a USB-C only setup as some people have suggested.
Personally I think the setup should be:
Left Side (2 USB-C ports, and headphone jack. Possibly a standard charge port).
Right Side (1 or 2 USB-C and a full size HDMI 2.0 port. Possibly a standard USB 3.0 port for convenience)
This would allow for a slimmer and possible tapered design while still preventing people from having to depend on USB-C adapters for everyday usage. I guess we'll know for sure pretty soon. If Apple is going to reveal this thing in March, we should start seeing leaks within the next couple months.
" I know someone who will visit 6 different Starbucks in one day just to show off the new machine"
I have been on this site for over 15 years and that is one of the most saddest things I have ever read. Seriously who thinks Starbucks is cool !
I have been on this site for over 15 years and that is one of the most saddest things I have ever read. Seriously who thinks Starbucks is cool !
Well Apple did invent OpenCL. The idea is sound. Though I haven't been doing too much GPU programming these days... It takes a lot of effort. Far easier (and often cheaper) to fire lots of a high core count Intel CPUs at the problem, an Intel compiler and a couple of optimisation flags.
This is my reason for waiting for being excited about a redesign, too. Other laptop manufacturers have finally caught up with Apple. I've been very tempted to drop cash on a Dell XPS 13" (What is wrong with me, wanting to buy a Dell?!) Carbon fibre is an awesome choice.
I want to see Apple pushing the envelope again. New materials, innovation in cooling solutions and weight reduction.
That, and I want one in Space Grey.
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