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kasakka

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Plus I HIGHLY favor the finger print sensor on the front like Samsung and iPhone. Much easier to unlock when it's on dock or a car holder.

For me it's the opposite. Back or side is a lot easier to use especially one handed. Then again I don't own a car or use a dock so I can see your point of view too. I really hope in a few years we don't have to worry about the position and just holding a finger on the screen will unlock the phone.
 
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ozaz

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Consumers outside of Verizon in USA and possibly EE in UK will not even have the luxury of walking into a carrier store and choosing between them.

Likewise outside of USA, only place you can purchase is store.google.com, so you don't even get the opportunity to try before you buy at full price.

Even if the Pixel was the greatest phone on the planet, the way it is being sold will constrain it and keep it from ever reaching a mainstream wider audience.

Those of us in and around London have another option :)
http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/google-shop-1062-commercial.html

But in general, yes, they need to massively step up their retail presence for Pixel to have a chance of becoming a significant product.
 

HappyJB

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I would not buy it. Why?

Overall boring design. Quite thick phone in today's flagship standard. The two tone design at the back is umm, why Google? TBH, it is uglier than even some of Chinese phones under $200.

I might buy one if Google halves the price for the true Google experience whatever that is.
 

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I would call this:
The whining about people whining Google Pixel Thread.
AKA I can't stand people telling what they really think, I want everyone who has my opinion to comment here.
 

AustinIllini

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I would call this:
The whining about people whining Google Pixel Thread.
AKA I can't stand people telling what they really think, I want everyone who has my opinion to comment here.
The initial response to the device will be positive, but remember the Nexus line was (usually) less expensive than its flagship counterparts, so they essentially got a pass for their shortcomings.

This is the Pixel. It's a premium device. It's the Google iPhone. There is no excuse for no OIS and the ugly design. It's a good phone a year or so late.

If OnePlus could figure out updates, it would be the Nexus heir apparent and a better device for a price than nearly anything else on the market.
 

lowendlinux

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The initial response to the device will be positive, but remember the Nexus line was (usually) less expensive than its flagship counterparts, so they essentially got a pass for their shortcomings.

This is the Pixel. It's a premium device. It's the Google iPhone. There is no excuse for no OIS and the ugly design. It's a good phone a year or so late.

If OnePlus could figure out updates, it would be the Nexus heir apparent and a better device for a price than nearly anything else on the market.

I think One Plus is the heir apparent even without updates because the point of Nexus was ROM's and tinkering so updates don't mean anything.
 

AustinIllini

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I think One Plus is the heir apparent even without updates because the point of Nexus was ROM's and tinkering so updates don't mean anything.
The point of Nexus was to be a "standard Android device" for Android developers. It wasn't really for tinkering.

But, honestly, the OnePlus3 is the best phone on the market for the price right now if you're entrenched in the Android ecosystem.
 

lowendlinux

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The point of Nexus was to be a "standard Android device" for Android developers. It wasn't really for tinkering.

But, honestly, the OnePlus3 is the best phone on the market for the price right now if you're entrenched in the Android ecosystem.

That's true..but devs tinker and now there is no standard Android device.

I never really dug One Plus I'll probably start digging them though :eek:

Dunno this maybe my cue to just finally get an Ubuntu phone but there still a years or so from where I want to be. From my POV the world is looking a little dim.
 

AppleRobert

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Oh, I get it. But the same can be said for the iPhone, price wise. But this trend won't change as long as the majority of customers pay the asking price (myself included).

But you can get something back with an iPhone, if android smartphones are going to command these prices they had better deliver a good return rate.

OH WAIT, .....
 

MasterRyu2011

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The Pixel sounds like a great next step for the Nexus initiative. Like a Phase 2. I'm most likely getting one. However. I'm curious as to what makes this more of a Google phone than the previous Nexus was. I understand that Google designed this phone, but they also designed the previous nexus devices. How this relationship any different? Also is HTC their go-to hardware partner for the forseeable future? I assume that to gain efficiencies and optimizations with the hardware, working with one partner is better than multiple partners.
 

JaySoul

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If it was available for T-mobile, I would have used my JOD to give it a try. But nope, Verizon exclusive only in US, and I'm not paying that much to buy it outright unlocked.

Plus I HIGHLY favor the finger print sensor on the front like Samsung and iPhone. Much easier to unlock when it's on dock or a car holder.

This is so accurate, I want to like it twice.
 

Hanzu Lao

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You know it was coming.
 
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Radon87000

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There really is no reason to get a Sony, lg, or HTC Android phone anymore. At least at flagship prices.
With rumors that the s8 will not feature a non edge model the pixel might be the only android alternative to the iPhone going into 2017.
Again taking high end smartphones, not midrange or budget smartphones.

Congrats to anyone that pre ordered it.
Why do people keep saying the Pixel competes with the iPhone?.It doesnt have OIS.Thats a deal breaker right there.I endured the lack of OIS on my iPhone 6 and the experience was horrible to say the least.So many good photo shots missed.It lacks water proofing.Its got a commitment of only 2 years of updates at the same price of the iPhone.Also I am not sure if the developer community will even be as enthusiastic about developing custom ROMs like for Nexus.It lacks availibility and the phone's design is worse than the iPhone.The iPhone has huge bezels but at least there is a function for them in the form of the home button?There is no point of the bezels on Pixel.It doesnt have an edge display or an iris scanner or an SD cards.Even HTC has some of the features Google missed

Other manufacturers tick a lot of boxes Pixel doesnt.So its just another run of the mill Android phone

I dont understand how this phone can compete with the iPhone in a world where the Note 7 exists
 

Michael Goff

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If I were to buy an Android phone, it'd likely be this or the successor to this. Does it look inspired? Not really. But I get the feeling the software is going to be great.
 

Vegastouch

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So when you say no whiners, I assume you mean you only want positivity in this thread?
LOL, maybe he forgets where he is posting this.
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Holy cow people are a bunch of whiners around the internet.

Have a Pixel on preorder? Excited for a top notch Google phone?? This is the start of an awesome line of phones.

I miss the Nexus but there is no competing with OPO and the Chinese phone makers. Google sees that. Hell IBM got out of the PC business long ago for the same reason. It is a failed business model with no profits.

So here is to the new life for Google hardware. I really think they hit it out of the park here and can't wait to get imine in a couple of weeks!!
[doublepost=1475641600][/doublepost]Reading more about this, especially the AP article, there is no doubt Google is changing what the Android experience means. They have tuned this device in every way to be the perfect compliment to their OS and services. Beyond what the Nexus ever did in the past.

This is where Samsung and Google divide. They are now direct competitors.
Very exciting day for all phone fans.
[doublepost=1475642278][/doublepost]Google claiming the lowest touch latency on any Android device and fastest HDR processing. Tall order but given the specs certainly possible.

Basically they really can't put many of these features on the 6p because the phone couldn't handle it. Better memory, SOC, and GPU and most likely just far better comments throughout.
Far from it. I bet they dont come close to selling 1 million of those things. How can they when only Verizon will carry them and you have to pay up front if anybody else wants one on another carrier. Most people dont want to do that or cant do that. Not to mention Google hardly ever advertised the Nexus devices.
 
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tbayrgs

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LOL, maybe he forgets where he is posting this.
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Far from it. I bet they dont come close to selling 1 million of those things.

I'll take that bet. While I'm sure Google won't publish sales numbers (as I don't believe that have with Nexus phones either), the extra marketing alone that I suspect they'll put behind it as well as the greater visibility (in Verizon stores is far more than the 5X and 6P got) will yield more sales than any Nexus before it--though I realize that's not a very high bar to clear. ;)

Google has already openly acknowledged they don't expect huge sales from this first generation---at least that's a good sign that they will keep with this 'Pixel' program for at least a couple years.
 

Vegastouch

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I'll take that bet. While I'm sure Google won't publish sales numbers (as I don't believe that have with Nexus phones either), the extra marketing alone that I suspect they'll put behind it as well as the greater visibility (in Verizon stores is far more than the 5X and 6P got) will yield more sales than any Nexus before it--though I realize that's not a very high bar to clear. ;)

Google has already openly acknowledged they don't expect huge sales from this first generation---at least that's a good sign that they will keep with this 'Pixel' program for at least a couple years.
What extra marketing? TMobile sold the Nexus 5 but there were very few commercials for it. Probably wont be many for the Pixel either which is par for the course.
Not to mention MOST people dont want to or cant shell out full price for this phone. Being on one carrier and being limited to get one without a subsidairy price anywhere else will hold it back as usual.
 

Tig Bitties

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What extra marketing? TMobile sold the Nexus 5 but there were very few commercials for it. Probably wont be many for the Pixel either which is par for the course.
Not to mention MOST people dont want to or cant shell out full price for this phone. Being on one carrier and being limited to get one without a subsidairy price anywhere else will hold it back as usual.


I did a blind poll last year, between all my family, extended family, friends, coworkers, over the course of a few months, etc... Let's say majority of that group is professional adults, earning very good livings, well into the six figure incomes, point being they can easily buy a new iPhone in a blink of an eye on the spot if needed. I would guess that was like 150 people I spoke too over a few months time at parties, holidays, and work.

I asked all of them do they buy their smartphone outright in full, for the $700+ pricetag, or get it through their carrier on contract with monthly payments. Out of 150 people let's say, almost every single one say no frigging way would they ever pay $700 for a smartphone. Even though they are doing that by paying monthly, but they all said hell no no way would they pay full price for a new phone.

99.99% of them said they just wait till their carrier says they are ready for a new phone and then they get one, and continue the monthly payment plan. Out of those 150 people, only 2 were Nexus nerds, and they liked the affordable part of it, paying $399 to be off contract and no contract with a carrier. But they said they'd never buy a flagship for $650.

I honestly do not know one person that would pay $800 out of pocket for a smartphone, and these are people a hell of a lot richer than I, and could easily do so.

My main point, i think majority of the Joe Blow smartphone buying public thinks the same way, 95% of U.S. smartphone users get thier phones through their csrrier on payment plans. So Google selling a great new high end phone for $800 will limit buyers to a very very small buying population. And will never come remotely close or even a fraction of iPhone or Galaxy sales numbers.

This new Pixel line will sell the same as the Nexus phones, very low, and no more, and possibly worse than Nexus sales due to the high pricing.
 
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tbayrgs

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What extra marketing? TMobile sold the Nexus 5 but there were very few commercials for it. Probably wont be many for the Pixel either which is par for the course.
Not to mention MOST people dont want to or cant shell out full price for this phone. Being on one carrier and being limited to get one without a subsidairy price anywhere else will hold it back as usual.

I've already seen more commercials for the Pixel than all other Nexus phones combined...ever. They had commercials on in primetime during NFL football games. I've already seen 2 commercials for it today alone.

I'm not saying it's gonna rival current Samsung or iPhone numbers--won't come close--but it'll do better than any Nexus before it. Google isn't expecting it to. A quote taken from the Verge interview with Rick Osterloh (head of hardware at Google):

Osterloh knows that "We certainly aren’t going to have enormous volumes out of this product. This is very first innings for us." Google’s metric of success for Pixel won’t be whether it picks up significant market share, but whether it can garner customer satisfaction and form retail and carrier partnerships that Google can leverage for years to come.
 

Tig Bitties

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I recall last year, when the Nexus 6P and 5X launched, I saw quite a few TV commercials and magazine ads for it the first couple of months. That didn't do beef for sales though, no one bought it except the die hard nerds.

Google has a mountain to climb, and is at the bottom of the ocean to get to the top of the clouds for this Pixel phone.

I'll say this though, anyone shopping for a new Android phone, I still would recommend the Pixel #1 above all us. I just think the Joe Blow public will not even know it exists, and it will take a hell of a lot more than a bunch of tv commercials to sell this thing to the general non tech crowd. It might even be too late in the game, with the foothold the iPhone and Galaxy name brands have on the public.
 

Vegastouch

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I've already seen more commercials for the Pixel than all other Nexus phones combined...ever. They had commercials on in primetime during NFL football games. I've already seen 2 commercials for it today alone.

I'm not saying it's gonna rival current Samsung or iPhone numbers--won't come close--but it'll do better than any Nexus before it. Google isn't expecting it to. A quote taken from the Verge interview with Rick Osterloh (head of hardware at Google):
I also have seen a couple commercials for it but i used to see some for the Nexus on Sports channells as well but thats it. I dont think the Pixel will do as well as the Nexus because it costs more. Tig Bitties keeps mentioning the $800 but for me, if i got one id get the $649 model as 32 GB would work for me, but even then, im not interested in spending $649 up front. The most ive spend for a phone up front was for the Nexus 5. I think it was $399 plus tax, ...around $430 total and it was OK but it wasnt good enough and i missed having a Galaxy phone.

My GS7 has a list that high but ill never pay it off because of JoD, ill trade it in for a GS8 before then and i didnt pay a dime for a down payment, so it wont ever cost me the retail price. I could trade in my GS7 right now(3 times in 18 months) for a different phone but there isnt anything that interests me,... ive never been interested in getting the iPhone either.
 
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