The overly devoted Apple customer is hurting Apple...

[Giuly]

Well, let's sum the competition: Nokia 920 and Samsung Galaxy S3.
They might have or haven't got NFC, but what are the use cases right now? Is it widely deployed, or are there just plans to deploy it in 2013/14/15? So what would you need it for in 2012?

Wireless charging? If you are too lazy to plug a cable into your phone, get a dock - which isn't available for the iPhone 5. Strange coincidence. Is there any other use case for wireless charging in 2012 other than plugging a charging pad at the end of your wall charger? No. Will that change in 2013/14/15? Probably, yes.

Quad-Core CPU - are you encoding HD video on your phone (if you're using iMovie, chances are that you do, but that isn't exactly my point)? There will be quad-core CPUs, if only for the reason that Apple can gloat about "up to 2x faster performance". Is the dual-core on the iPhone 5 slow? By all means, no. Will a Quad-Core in the 5S be an argument that makes it superior to the iPhone 5? Yes. Will Samsung put a Hexa-Core CPU into the Galaxy SIV? Probably not.

Come on, just think for a moment what makes sense to incorporate into the iPhone in 2012 and want is a waste of time and resources at the moment and useless for the most part. It makes totally sense to hold off from some stuff, let the ecosystem grow and put wireless chargers on the iPhone when you can actually lay your phone on the table in your local Starbucks and it charges because they have already embedded charging pads. Or installed NFC-enabled payment terminals. A cool feature on a phone is useless if you can't make proper use of it - and that should be as clear as it gets. Otherwise look at Sony's cool NFC tags which have the same use as the ringer switch on an iPhone.

Also, if you can't use a fingerprint sensor for anything but unlocking your phone, it's worthless. If there are great plans that make use of it though, then implement one. And I can't see 2013 being the year for that, but if I missed some great announcements in that realm, feel free to educate me.

 

[9058456]

I've said this many times, and now it seems to be showing. The Apple customer who believes Apple can do no wrong. That 3.5 inches is the perfect screen size, that LTE is not needed yet, that NFC is still not needed, that bigger screens are ridiculous, that quad core CPUs are overkill, that 2GB or RAM is overkill, that iOS is amazing even though it's still not much different than in 2007, etc... will be the very customers that bring Apple down. DEMANDING loyal customers are what feed innovation in a market and in a company. Now the competition is coming out in full force and have clearly shot past the iPhone in terms of hardware. Lets forget the OS for now. Hardware sells. Especially when that hardware clearly shows better on the sales floor. Believe what you like, but one thing is for certain, the market waits for no one. I truly believe you will see Apple coming out with a screen size well above 4 inches sooner than later. Samsung and Google seem to be on the fast road to world domination.

I completely agree with you 100%

 

[Abazigal]

To me, wireless charging should mean a device which emits magnetic waves that can charge your phone from anywhere in the room without needing to plug it in or rest it on a mat. The current incarnation of wireless charging seems a step back - I can't use my phone without interrupting the charging process?

Imagine if such a concept were embedded into your imac or mac mini, and would automatically charge your nearby wireless peripherals and IOS devices. Now that's something that would 'just work' and actually prove useful.

Also, until the day Apple finally introduces 'true multitasking' on IOS devices, quad-core processors seems like a waste to me.

 

[matttye]

To me, wireless charging should mean a device which emits magnetic waves that can charge your phone from anywhere in the room without needing to plug it in or rest it on a mat. The current incarnation of wireless charging seems a step back - I can't use my phone without interrupting the charging process?

Imagine if such a concept were embedded into your imac or mac mini, and would automatically charge your nearby wireless peripherals and IOS devices. Now that's something that would 'just work' and actually prove useful.

Also, until the day Apple finally introduces 'true multitasking' on IOS devices, quad-core processors seems like a waste to me.

I think it still charges if you keep it near the charging pad.

Maybe not every incarnation does, but that's certainly one of the features of inductive charging:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductive_charging

Plus I would envisage this as more of a convenience like when you're getting ready to go to bed, or up in the morning, rather than having to connect/disconnect the cable you just drop/pick up your phone.

 

[SlCKB0Y]

Well, let's sum the competition: Nokia 920 and Samsung Galaxy S3.

Such an inefficient post. You could have just said the following:

"If the iPhone doesn't have feature X, then feature X is useless and of no benefit to anyone".

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To me, wireless charging should mean a device which emits magnetic waves that can charge your phone from anywhere in the room without needing to plug it in or rest it on a mat. The current incarnation of wireless charging seems a step back - I can't use my phone without interrupting the charging process?

Nice idea, but the problem is this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse-square_law

 

[Tinmania]

All I know is I was thrilled with my Nexus 4 but just picked up a Note 2 today and wholly crap I am thrilled. Wow. My iPhones feel downright Jurassic in comparison. I never dreamed I'd be saying that.

I still prefer my iPad over android tablets but I can't see using an iPhone again after my nexus 4 and now Note 2. I had been holding on to my iPhone 4S thinking I might go back to it back as of now I don't see that ever happening.




Michael

 

[matttye]

All I know is I was thrilled with my Nexus 4 but just picked up a Note 2 today and wholly crap I am thrilled. Wow. My iPhones feel downright Jurassic in comparison. I never dreamed I'd be saying that.

I still prefer my iPad over android tablets but I can't see using an iPhone again after my nexus 4 and now Note 2. I had been holding on to my iPhone 4S thinking I might go back to it back as of now I don't see that ever happening.




Michael

That's how I felt when I got my S2 & S3

 

[Giuly]

Such an inefficient post. You could have just said the following:

"If the iPhone doesn't have feature X, then feature X is useless and of no benefit to anyone".

The other way around.

 

[tbayrgs]

All I know is I was thrilled with my Nexus 4 but just picked up a Note 2 today and wholly crap I am thrilled. Wow. My iPhones feel downright Jurassic in comparison. I never dreamed I'd be saying that.

I still prefer my iPad over android tablets but I can't see using an iPhone again after my nexus 4 and now Note 2. I had been holding on to my iPhone 4S thinking I might go back to it back as of now I don't see that ever happening.




Michael

Exactly the route I took. I really liked the Nexus 4 but after using it for a month, just couldn't get past the terrible camera and horrendous battery life. I also really missed LTE as HSPA+ on AT&T doesn't compare to what some some are seeing on T-Mobile in the US and other carriers overseas. While I like the build materials of the Nexus 4 better, the Note II more than made up for the other deficiencies and completely won me over.

The iP5 is now getting prepped for sale (wife doesn't even see the need to use it over her iP4s).

 

[chrono1081]

I've said this many times, and now it seems to be showing. The Apple customer who believes Apple can do no wrong. That 3.5 inches is the perfect screen size, that LTE is not needed yet, that NFC is still not needed, that bigger screens are ridiculous, that quad core CPUs are overkill, that 2GB or RAM is overkill, that iOS is amazing even though it's still not much different than in 2007, etc... will be the very customers that bring Apple down. DEMANDING loyal customers are what feed innovation in a market and in a company. Now the competition is coming out in full force and have clearly shot past the iPhone in terms of hardware. Lets forget the OS for now. Hardware sells. Especially when that hardware clearly shows better on the sales floor. Believe what you like, but one thing is for certain, the market waits for no one. I truly believe you will see Apple coming out with a screen size well above 4 inches sooner than later. Samsung and Google seem to be on the fast road to world domination.

I buy Apple because the competition hasn't even come close in terms of making something I like compared to Apple.

Many people always talk about these "rabid Apple fans" but in reality people spend money on a product they like not because of a name.

 

[macrem]

You guys think Apple reacts based on the requests of its devoted customers? Steve himself used to say 'customers don't know what they want until we've shown them.' People have been predicting the demise of Apple throughout its rise to the biggest ever US company measured by stock value.

Some Android fans here obviously yearn for Apple's demise. This is just plain dumb. As an iPhone user currently, I'm glad there are good Android phones. If all the competition for Apple was Windows phones, Apple could produce nothing new for years perhaps decades. But thanks to Android, Apple will be on its toes. Competition is great for us! Both Apple and Google are cranking out innovative products that we as consumers benefit from.

If you want to hate a company so badly, I recommend Microsoft. They're like the guy who's been divorced 10 times, cheated on every spouse & swears to be true to the next. Now MS refuses to go along with WebRTC.

 

[Mr-Kerrse]

If your music is properly tagged you should be able to browse by artist/album/genre/etc.

Who has got time to do that while they are driving

I prefer folders for genres then multiple mix sets in each playlist, makes life a lot easier while driving

 

[Bahroo]

I've said this many times, and now it seems to be showing. The Apple customer who believes Apple can do no wrong. That 3.5 inches is the perfect screen size, that LTE is not needed yet, that NFC is still not needed, that bigger screens are ridiculous, that quad core CPUs are overkill, that 2GB or RAM is overkill, that iOS is amazing even though it's still not much different than in 2007, etc... will be the very customers that bring Apple down. DEMANDING loyal customers are what feed innovation in a market and in a company. Now the competition is coming out in full force and have clearly shot past the iPhone in terms of hardware. Lets forget the OS for now. Hardware sells. Especially when that hardware clearly shows better on the sales floor. Believe what you like, but one thing is for certain, the market waits for no one. I truly believe you will see Apple coming out with a screen size well above 4 inches sooner than later. Samsung and Google seem to be on the fast road to world domination.

well uhh sorry to break it to you but Apple didnt listen to these CUSTOMERS that your talking about, They made a 4 inch iPhone with a fast processor and LTE and a top of the line camera on a smart phone. Im sure Apple knows they have to shake things up a little bit and i believe 100% they will.

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Well, let's sum the competition: Nokia 920 and Samsung Galaxy S3.
They might have or haven't got NFC, but what are the use cases right now? Is it widely deployed, or are there just plans to deploy it in 2013/14/15? So what would you need it for in 2012?

Wireless charging? If you are too lazy to plug a cable into your phone, get a dock - which isn't available for the iPhone 5. Strange coincidence. Is there any other use case for wireless charging in 2012 other than plugging a charging pad at the end of your wall charger? No. Will that change in 2013/14/15? Probably, yes.

Quad-Core CPU - are you encoding HD video on your phone (if you're using iMovie, chances are that you do, but that isn't exactly my point)? There will be quad-core CPUs, if only for the reason that Apple can gloat about "up to 2x faster performance". Is the dual-core on the iPhone 5 slow? By all means, no. Will a Quad-Core in the 5S be an argument that makes it superior to the iPhone 5? Yes. Will Samsung put a Hexa-Core CPU into the Galaxy SIV? Probably not.

Come on, just think for a moment what makes sense to incorporate into the iPhone in 2012 and want is a waste of time and resources at the moment and useless for the most part. It makes totally sense to hold off from some stuff, let the ecosystem grow and put wireless chargers on the iPhone when you can actually lay your phone on the table in your local Starbucks and it charges because they have already embedded charging pads. Or installed NFC-enabled payment terminals. A cool feature on a phone is useless if you can't make proper use of it - and that should be as clear as it gets. Otherwise look at Sony's cool NFC tags which have the same use as the ringer switch on an iPhone.

Also, if you can't use a fingerprint sensor for anything but unlocking your phone, it's worthless. If there are great plans that make use of it though, then implement one. And I can't see 2013 being the year for that, but if I missed some great announcements in that realm, feel free to educate me.

right, Apple implements features at the best times. The Thunderbolt came out a year and a half ago or more and LTE on that phone was fast, but the battery life was absolutely atrocious. LTE was barely even around when that phone came out. The first two gens of LTE android phones did not know how to implement it right without massive battery drain. Look at Apple, they release a iPhone with LTE at the perfect time. Verizon, ATT, Sprint and all these other carriers are starting to get off the ground running with LTE deployment. Not to mention i get great battery life on LTE with the 1440 mAh battery in the i5.

Personally i have never seen anyone use NFC in my life for any transaction in the wild or anything. Im sure NFC will get off the ground running and be in our daily lives but Apple will implement NFC when the time is right aswell. That along with a fingerprint scanner on the home button can be a very deadly combo that will have other companies scrambling to copy imo.

 

[TheHateMachine]

I buy Apple because the competition hasn't even come close in terms of making something I like compared to Apple.

Many people always talk about these "rabid Apple fans" but in reality people spend money on a product they like not because of a name.

While true for the most part there are people who will purchase things based on the name. Louie Vuitton, Gucci and Burberry all make their lively hood on that. I do realize I am comparing a fashion accessory with a tech gadget. Yet, while anecdotal I do know a few people who specifically stated they have an iPhone because it is an Apple product and well an iPhone. Typically these people show little to no interest in Apple Computing products and use PCs. Shocker, I know!

 

[hyteckit]

Apple just posted record revenues of $54 billion with 75 million iOS devices sold last quarter. 41.5 million iPhones sold.

 

[Tinmania]

Apple just posted record revenues of $54 billion with 75 million iOS devices sold last quarter. 41.5 million iPhones sold.

Good lord stop reading the front page here for ridiculous feel-good news.

As of this moment searching for news about Apple shows a much different picture than the absurd spin put on it here.

It's just as I suspected: this is the year the shine comes off the Apple.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2013/01/23/apple-netflix-google-ibm/1859337/

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/24/technology/apple-earnings.html

http://www.forbes.com/sites/greatsp...nd-the-beauty-apple-and-netflix-switch-roles/




Michael

 

[YourAvgUser]

Good lord stop reading the front page here for ridiculous feel-good news.

As of this moment searching for news about Apple shows a much different picture than the absurd spin put on it here.

It's just as I suspected: this is the year the shine comes off the Apple.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2013/01/23/apple-netflix-google-ibm/1859337/

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/24/technology/apple-earnings.html

http://www.forbes.com/sites/greatsp...nd-the-beauty-apple-and-netflix-switch-roles/




Michael

Agreed, record profits and sales mean nothing, Apple is doomed this year

 

[F123D]

I can copy and paste headlines from the front page also..

Apple Stock Down 10% in After Hours Trading Amidst Concerns of Flat Growth

 

[Sensamic]

In the interview Tim said that they think they have the perfect size screen for the iPhone when asked about the bigger screens of the competition. That to me shows they don't care about their customers desires.

He was also asked that the iPhone is doing good on the US but not that great internationally. People don't view Apple as magical as the US people.

 

[Beeplance]

In the interview Tim said that they think they have the perfect size screen for the iPhone when asked about the bigger screens of the competition. That to me shows they don't care about their customers desires.

He was also asked that the iPhone is doing good on the US but not that great internationally. People don't view Apple as magical as the US people.

I think in Asia, there're more Android devices. But I don't have actual statistics though.

 

[onthecouchagain]

In the interview Tim said that they think they have the perfect size screen for the iPhone when asked about the bigger screens of the competition.

Were those his exact words? Very curious.

Because if 4" is perfect, then that means they got the first five generations of the iPhone wrong.

Or, just more fluffery from Apple's magic smokescreen...

 

[lordjonny]

In the interview Tim said that they think they have the perfect size screen for the iPhone when asked about the bigger screens of the competition. That to me shows they don't care about their customers desires.

I honestly do not want a bigger screen, I think the iPhone 5 is too large as it is. The 3.5" is perfectly pocket sized. I despise the idea of a phablet where I can't use one hand comfortably and the 5 is just too far.

It has nothing to do with fanboyism, its simply the way a human is formed to use opposable thumbs and how big my pockets are.

Technology has been going the way towards shrinking the size of components historically and the shift towards larger screens has just enabled company's to back step by using all that additional space offered to them by a larger screen, Apple included.

I want phones to tend to being credit card sized and not some behemoth that needs a fricking stylus! I don't think I'm the only one, I just don't use my phone for absorbing content like videos and playing games and I'd like something that reflects my needs.

 

[Tinmania]

I can copy and paste headlines from the front page also..



Image

Lol... At least they finally got around to it.




Michael

 

[Tinmania]

I honestly do not want a bigger screen, I think the iPhone 5 is too large as it is. The 3.5" is perfectly pocket sized. I despise the idea of a phablet where I can't use one hand comfortably and the 5 is just too far.

It has nothing to do with fanboyism, its simply the way a human is formed to use opposable thumbs and how big my pockets are.

Technology has been going the way towards shrinking the size of components historically and the shift towards larger screens has just enabled company's to back step by using all that additional space offered to them by a larger screen, Apple included.

I want phones to tend to being credit card sized and not some behemoth that needs a fricking stylus! I don't think I'm the only one, I just don't use my phone for absorbing content like videos and playing games and I'd like something that reflects my needs.

Correct. You are not the only one. Read some articles about the introduction of the automobile in the early 20th century and you'll see people with the exact same attitude against it--and with all kinds of justifications for feeling that way.

There will always be people who do not want change. Question is will they be able to keep Apple at the very top of their game as they had been for the last couple of years. I think not.

As for me, I think it's cumbersome to use a 3.5 inch or four-inch smartphone in this day and age when the phone part is the least used function. That is a far cry from 2007. But that doesn't mean there are those who mainly use a smartphone to make and receive calls. Naturally for them the status quo of 2007 is still fine.




Michael

 

[AQUADock]

Good lord stop reading the front page here for ridiculous feel-good news.

As of this moment searching for news about Apple shows a much different picture than the absurd spin put on it here.

It's just as I suspected: this is the year the shine comes off the Apple.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2013/01/23/apple-netflix-google-ibm/1859337/

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/24/technology/apple-earnings.html

http://www.forbes.com/sites/greatsp...nd-the-beauty-apple-and-netflix-switch-roles/




Michael

People like you are why this forum is going down hill, why do you visit an apple forum if you hate it so much and want it to fail?