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Will your next phone be from Apple?

  • Definitely - I'm committed

  • Perhaps - I'll see what's best at the time

  • No - I prefer what others are doing


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LeeW

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With their custom hardware, operating system, services, and reputation, Apple has both a branding and real world competitive advantage over everyone else when it comes to privacy linked to consumer equipment.

Well, not going to argue with your opinion. My opinion is that there is so much wrong with that statement but we each get a view :)
 

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The camera hardware is more interesting, but the xs gen does really good things with software in regards to photo and video.

That's why I'm excited for the triple camera setup coming this year. That plus the software... Can't wait.

I can appreciate your perspective on the ‘triple lens camera’ set up coming this fall, aside from the negative rhetoric like ‘It looks so ugly’. I mean, aesthetics of a camera on the back of an iPhone are absolutely useless to me, when I don’t see my iPhone from the back anyways, but it’s about the results that the camera produces. But just wait, this fall will likely Mezmerize those and change minds about the triple lens camera once they see what it can produce.
 
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pika2000

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The benefit for Apple is that it shows that they care about your privacy and that not even US government can access your iPhone (even though it turned out later that some "Israeli hacking company" apparently can). It shows that they are willing to legally fight the US government over your info. If you think this is all conspiracy, that Apple really doesn't hand over what the government asks, be it the info about 1 user, or a cable connected to all the database, then you should take a look at some of the Snowden's docs and see for yourself how this world actually works. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Even the FBI benefited from this by giving people this false sense of security and making it seem like their privacy is respected.
Again, tin foil hats don't exist in a business. You can play any conspiracy stuff all day long, in the end, business is business, and normal business wisdom won't do what Apple did as it is extremely high risk. Yet Apple did it, so that at least tells me their core value is real.
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I kinda feel like privacy is somewhere middle to bottom on my smartphone musts list. I get the importance and all but the phone has to sell me on features & hardware first. I can appreciate the privacy later.
Once you see what data those outsourced app developers in China/India/etc are getting from Android, you'll think twice.
 

Aydy

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Again, tin foil hats don't exist in a business. You can play any conspiracy stuff all day long, in the end, business is business, and normal business wisdom won't do what Apple did as it is extremely high risk. Yet Apple did it, so that at least tells me their core value is real.
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Once you see what data those outsourced app developers in China/India/etc are getting from Android, you'll think twice.
I really won’t. It is what it is and I hold apple in no higher regard than the others if I’m honest. There’s no such thing as privacy in our day & age. I think it’s fair to say that even lifelong apple users have signed into a google account on occasion. Trust me, those details are out there & everyone has & is being targeted at some point. Wether spam, directed, personalised ad content or more sinister shenanigans..regardless the operating system you choose.
 

pika2000

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I really won’t. It is what it is and I hold apple in no higher regard than the others if I’m honest. There’s no such thing as privacy in our day & age. I think it’s fair to say that even lifelong apple users have signed into a google account on occasion. Trust me, those details are out there & everyone has & is being targeted at some point. Wether spam, directed, personalised ad content or more sinister shenanigans..regardless the operating system you choose.
The fact that you will use Google one way or the other doesn’t negate Apple’s position. Just because you don’t need/care about privacy, doesn’t mean others don’t as well or don’t care.
 

stylinexpat

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Both smartphones are great smartphones. Each has its positives and negatives. I have both an iPhone 8 Plus and a Huawei P30 Pro. At the end of the day it depends on which you like to use. I find my iPhone to be more compatible with my iPad Pro MacBook Pro. The Huawei P30 Pro is just my picture phone and basic social media smartphone. I don't have anything important in it. I trust Apple more when it comes to privacy in all honesty. There are no secrets or financial apps or transactions used on my Huawei P30 Pro. Wechat on it though should be pretty safe. If hundreds of millions of people use Huawei smartphones for Wechat in China for payment form then in my opinion it is quite safe.
[doublepost=1561522925][/doublepost]There is one issue with privacy people often overlook. Say you don't backup anything to any cloud server but someone who has your Contact info or that chats with you is lazy and backs everything and his underwear to the cloud server then everything he or she backed up includes your info. :rolleyes:o_O
 
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sunking101

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I was tempted bu Huawei 14 months ago and may very well have bought their flagship later this year but how can anyone buy a Huawei product in the west right now? Google are deserting them.
 

Shanghaichica

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I was tempted bu Huawei 14 months ago and may very well have bought their flagship later this year but how can anyone buy a Huawei product in the west right now? Google are deserting them.
Have you heard the news? Trump is relenting and allowing Huwawei to work with US companies again after trade talks with China. Google will be able to work with Huwawei for future software and security updates.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...de-tariffs-xi-jinping-g20-japan-a8980181.html
 

Tsepz

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Waiting for Android Q Beta to land on my P30 Pro soon and waiting for iOS 13 final release for my XS Max, busy enjoying the Public Beta on my iPad Air 2

Loving having both Huawei and Apple.

I am however struggling to put my XS Max down and it works so well with my cars Infotainment and voice command systems. Never have I had a phone integrate so well with a car, it’s awesome, both the Renault and Jaguar Infotainment systems seem to be built with iPhone in mind.

Interestingly enough, if you own a BMW, Android phones have the app that can allow you to unlock your BMW with the phone however the BMW Infotainment system only supports Apple CarPlay , car manufacturers really have to catch-up with the times, both OSs are important.
 
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sunking101

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stylinexpat

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I hadn't seen that. I'd still be very wary of buying into the brand now though, having seen how quickly the US can turn against them.

Like buying stocks or Bitcoin now. You never know when things will turn with Trump making decisions ;) As of now though all my updates have still been coming in:)
 

Geert76

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Have you heard the news? Trump is relenting and allowing Huwawei to work with US companies again after trade talks with China. Google will be able to work with Huwawei for future software and security updates.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...de-tariffs-xi-jinping-g20-japan-a8980181.html

Did Huawei suddenly become not a threat to national security anymore? Or is, just like ALWAYS with him: $$$$$$ nothing more and nothing less?

Trump is an absolute joke, money is more important than the so called ''security threat''.
I would truly feel embarased to have a president like him; I think he is one (if not THE most) of the most unreliable world leaders/business men on the globe.
 

Shanghaichica

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Did Huawei suddenly become not a threat to national security anymore? Or is, just like ALWAYS with him: $$$$$$ nothing more and nothing less?

Trump is an absolute joke, money is more important than the so called ''security threat''.
I would truly feel embarased to have a president like him; I think he is one (if not THE most) of the most unreliable world leaders/business men on the globe.
Well he already said he’d trade the CFO of Huawei for a favourable trade deal with China. That tells you all you need to know about him. What kind of person deprives someone of their liberty so they can get a better trade deal.
 

jamezr

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Personally...I would not buy a Huawei product if you value privacy. There is just so much proof that security is compromised on Huawei products.


“Summary
Huawei has been accused of maintaining backdoor access to networks, but until now, little evidence has been available to support or refute those claims. Finite State’s automated system analyzed more than 1.5 million unique files embedded within 9,936 firmware images supporting 558 different products within Huawei’s enterprise networking product lines — many of which could be used within the core of 5G networks. Our analysis looked for risks including hard-coded backdoor credentials, unsafe use of cryptographic keys, indicators of insecure software development practices, and the presence of known and 0-day vulnerabilities.
The results of the analysis show that Huawei devices quantitatively pose a high risk to their users. In virtually all categories we examined, Huawei devices were found to be less secure than those from other vendors making similar devices.”

https://finitestate.io/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Finite-State-SCA1-Final.pdf
 
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stylinexpat

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Personally...I would not buy a Huawei product if you value privacy. There is just so much proof that security is compromised on Huawei products.


“Summary
Huawei has been accused of maintaining backdoor access to networks, but until now, little evidence has been available to support or refute those claims. Finite State’s automated system analyzed more than 1.5 million unique files embedded within 9,936 firmware images supporting 558 different products within Huawei’s enterprise networking product lines — many of which could be used within the core of 5G networks. Our analysis looked for risks including hard-coded backdoor credentials, unsafe use of cryptographic keys, indicators of insecure software development practices, and the presence of known and 0-day vulnerabilities.
The results of the analysis show that Huawei devices quantitatively pose a high risk to their users. In virtually all categories we examined, Huawei devices were found to be less secure than those from other vendors making similar devices.”

https://finitestate.io/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Finite-State-SCA1-Final.pdf

If you think Huawei or China is bad just look at what the current administration in the US wants passed.

https://www.ubergizmo.com/2019/06/white-house-ban-end-to-end-encryption/
 
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Tsepz

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If you think Huawei or China is bad just look at what the current administration in the US wants passed.

https://www.ubergizmo.com/2019/06/white-house-ban-end-to-end-encryption/
Hmmm.... Makes you wonder if they ever cared about user security and privacy, I wonder why they banned Huawei and then kinda unbanned them then?

Ahhhh yes, because it never was about security, IP or whatever else was spun. #TradeDealOverEverything

OP, get what you want and enjoy it
 
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5105973

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If you think Huawei or China is bad just look at what the current administration in the US wants passed.

https://www.ubergizmo.com/2019/06/white-house-ban-end-to-end-encryption/
All governments have an interest in knowing in great detail what their citizens are saying amongst themselves. So both want to claim control of communications technology for law enforcement purposes.

So what’s the difference? The nature of the laws being enforced.

For us, at least for the moment, the laws enforced against us aren’t trying to make gods of our government. Ostensibly our laws are just trying to prevent mass acts of violence against our citizenry, i.e. terrorism, human trafficking and so forth.

The danger for us is when they gradually expand the definition of terrorism until there virtually is no discernible difference between restrictions on us and those imposed on the Chinese people. For example, during the war on Iraq, some citizens who protested the war were infiltrated by local law enforcement as suspected terrorists. In reality these people were librarians and aged hippies from the 60’s and people who owned New Age trinket stores. Hardly an Al Quaeda cell.

As for China, I don’t know the nuances of how their system works, but by all appearances from what I do know, their laws are designed to ensure their government and their president for life occupies a godlike position in the hearts and minds of their citizens. That’s why they have some very alarming and even violent treatment of people attempting to practice Islam, Christianity, Falun Gong, to name but a few of the religions they barely tolerate, and why they have state sanctioned churches.

To this end, not even the most humble peon escapes their Orwellian eye. Abhorrent government.

And if you doubt their interest in our hearts and minds, just read up on how they’ve come to own and dominate US cinema. Look at the incursions they’ve made and the influence they now wield. It’s creepy. I don’t want to just hand them an “easy in” on my own life, as modest and inconsequential as my life is to anybody but myself and my immediate family.

But yeah, US government is pretty damned scary, too As the leaks revealed, under previous administrations like Obama’s (whom I did vote for) the depth and breadth of the surveillance was a massive overreach and betrayal of our ideals.

As for his dealing with Huawei or anybody else about anything else, I have zero idea what Trump is doing or why. I guess that’s the point. Nobody knows what he’s up to and he clearly gets a kick out of that.

He falls completely outside of the paradigm we’ve seen since forever in Washington. Love him or hate him, he has caused some ancient sewer pipes in our DC government to break open and for the rats in his party and mine to go scurrying for new shadows to hide in. But he may have let new vermin get a foothold. He’s done things to both break down and to strengthen the surveillance state.

It’s really hard to make sense out of what’s really going on with this very peculiar administration at a time the press is also very fragmented and fragile and peculiar as I’ve ever seen. Someone close to me has worked for very prominent people who have met with Trump and come away pleased with very substantive discussions that are meant to benefit our people and infrastructure and and security. Which of course is completely at odds with how the press and his own words and conduct portray him. I’m just trying to keep an open mind and see how it all plays out.
 

Tsepz

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All governments have an interest in knowing in great detail what their citizens are saying amongst themselves. So both want to claim control of communications technology for law enforcement purposes.

So what’s the difference? The nature of the laws being enforced.

For us, at least for the moment, the laws enforced against us aren’t trying to make gods of our government. Ostensibly our laws are just trying to prevent mass acts of violence against our citizenry, i.e. terrorism, human trafficking and so forth.

The danger for us is when they gradually expand the definition of terrorism until there virtually is no discernible difference between restrictions on us and those imposed on the Chinese people. For example, during the war on Iraq, some citizens who protested the war were infiltrated by local law enforcement as suspected terrorists. In reality these people were librarians and aged hippies from the 60’s and people who owned New Age trinket stores. Hardly an Al Quaeda cell.

As for China, I don’t know the nuances of how their system works, but by all appearances from what I do know, their laws are designed to ensure their government and their president for life occupies a godlike position in the hearts and minds of their citizens. That’s why they have some very alarming and even violent treatment of people attempting to practice Islam, Christianity, Falun Gong, to name but a few of the religions they barely tolerate, and why they have state sanctioned churches.

To this end, not even the most humble peon escapes their Orwellian eye. Abhorrent government.

And if you doubt their interest in our hearts and minds, just read up on how they’ve come to own and dominate US cinema. Look at the incursions they’ve made and the influence they now wield. It’s creepy. I don’t want to just hand them an “easy in” on my own life, as modest and inconsequential as my life is to anybody but myself and my immediate family.

But yeah, US government is pretty damned scary, too As the leaks revealed, under previous administrations like Obama’s (whom I did vote for) the depth and breadth of the surveillance was a massive overreach and betrayal of our ideals.

As for his dealing with Huawei or anybody else about anything else, I have zero idea what Trump is doing or why. I guess that’s the point. Nobody knows what he’s up to and he clearly gets a kick out of that.

He falls completely outside of the paradigm we’ve seen since forever in Washington. Love him or hate him, he has caused some ancient sewer pipes in our DC government to break open and for the rats in his party and mine to go scurrying for new shadows to hide in. But he may have let new vermin get a foothold. He’s done things to both break down and to strengthen the surveillance state.

It’s really hard to make sense out of what’s really going on with this very peculiar administration at a time the press is also very fragmented and fragile and peculiar as I’ve ever seen. Someone close to me has worked for very prominent people who have met with Trump and come away pleased with very substantive discussions that are meant to benefit our people and infrastructure and and security. Which of course is completely at odds with how the press and his own words and conduct portray him. I’m just trying to keep an open mind and see how it all plays out.

I have to say, it has been absolutely fascinating watching him, I often wonder how much power or lack there of he has, because there are times where it seems as though he has too much power and at times it’s like he has none at all.

He has made for a very interesting president, that’s for sure.
 
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stylinexpat

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All governments have an interest in knowing in great detail what their citizens are saying amongst themselves. So both want to claim control of communications technology for law enforcement purposes.

So what’s the difference? The nature of the laws being enforced.

For us, at least for the moment, the laws enforced against us aren’t trying to make gods of our government. Ostensibly our laws are just trying to prevent mass acts of violence against our citizenry, i.e. terrorism, human trafficking and so forth.

The danger for us is when they gradually expand the definition of terrorism until there virtually is no discernible difference between restrictions on us and those imposed on the Chinese people. For example, during the war on Iraq, some citizens who protested the war were infiltrated by local law enforcement as suspected terrorists. In reality these people were librarians and aged hippies from the 60’s and people who owned New Age trinket stores. Hardly an Al Quaeda cell.

As for China, I don’t know the nuances of how their system works, but by all appearances from what I do know, their laws are designed to ensure their government and their president for life occupies a godlike position in the hearts and minds of their citizens. That’s why they have some very alarming and even violent treatment of people attempting to practice Islam, Christianity, Falun Gong, to name but a few of the religions they barely tolerate, and why they have state sanctioned churches.

To this end, not even the most humble peon escapes their Orwellian eye. Abhorrent government.

And if you doubt their interest in our hearts and minds, just read up on how they’ve come to own and dominate US cinema. Look at the incursions they’ve made and the influence they now wield. It’s creepy. I don’t want to just hand them an “easy in” on my own life, as modest and inconsequential as my life is to anybody but myself and my immediate family.

But yeah, US government is pretty damned scary, too As the leaks revealed, under previous administrations like Obama’s (whom I did vote for) the depth and breadth of the surveillance was a massive overreach and betrayal of our ideals.

As for his dealing with Huawei or anybody else about anything else, I have zero idea what Trump is doing or why. I guess that’s the point. Nobody knows what he’s up to and he clearly gets a kick out of that.

He falls completely outside of the paradigm we’ve seen since forever in Washington. Love him or hate him, he has caused some ancient sewer pipes in our DC government to break open and for the rats in his party and mine to go scurrying for new shadows to hide in. But he may have let new vermin get a foothold. He’s done things to both break down and to strengthen the surveillance state.

It’s really hard to make sense out of what’s really going on with this very peculiar administration at a time the press is also very fragmented and fragile and peculiar as I’ve ever seen. Someone close to me has worked for very prominent people who have met with Trump and come away pleased with very substantive discussions that are meant to benefit our people and infrastructure and and security. Which of course is completely at odds with how the press and his own words and conduct portray him. I’m just trying to keep an open mind and see how it all plays out.

I think it boils down to the American government wanting access to our messages just like the Chinese government wants from their people. Each will tell you their own version of why they want or need to do this but at the end of the day they both want access to your personal info. There are other countries around the world that do this now as well.

Negatives and positives can be argued from each side. I am not against the positives out of it as I have seen the positives visually in China especially in the Shenzhen area but in areas where Muslims live the opposite can be argued against as well. Once the government has this access and tool in their hands they can use it in positive ways and negative ways like an officer in the US with a gun.
 
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jamezr

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stylinexpat

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In other words when Huawei sells 10 million P30 Pro smartphones and if you multiply $59.36 times 10 million you get just under $600,000,000 from just one type of smartphone that Huawei sold. This means income for American companies and jobs for American workers. This also means the US government gets a cut too as US corporations have to pay corporate income taxes and employees that work for them have to pay all kinds of taxes to the government as well.

https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-p30-pro-teardown-1003711/amp/

Update: https://asia.nikkei.com/static/vdata/huawei-supply-chain/newsgraphics/huawei-supply-chain/index.html

After looking at the parts I noticed that in the amount listed above does not include $40-45 that Google gets paid for the OS and Google Play. If you take that into consideration then you need to add another $400,000,000 or $450,000,000 to that amount as well meaning that by Huawei selling just the P30 Pro American companies raked in over $1 Billion Dollars off of one smartphone from Huawei.
 
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stylinexpat

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4th of July shots from house. These are about 3-4 miles out I reckon if not 5 miles.
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