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USB 3 bus gets saturated much quicker than TB if using multiple devices and multiple drives. Noticeable slow down pretty quick in my actual experience.

Well of course it does - and especially if you are using a hub to connect the multiple devices. But that doesn't change the fact that it's perfectly acceptable for 3 rotational drives in RAID0, a BRD burner and a DVD writer - all in a single enclosure. There won't be any performance issues at all - unless you try using all three at once or something - and even then typically it'll handle it just fine.

Seriously, if you configure it correctly and you're not using a Hong-Kong-Phooey card USB3 is pretty close to identical to SATA3.


and as for the image above, anyone who would pile up their cables in a mess like that probably could care less. It's just silly. Simple, if you don't like it don't get it.
Yup!
 
People are getting all bent out of shape about all the cords being strewn in a pile??!!! Those people are missing the point.

The point is the picture itself. If you have to focus in on the coiled-up cords you have missed the point of the picture (and are probably apologists).
 
People are getting all bent out of shape about all the cords being strewn in a pile??!!! Those people are missing the point.

The point is the picture itself. If you have to focus in on the coiled-up cords you have missed the point of the picture (and are probably apologists).

Yeah, don't focus on the content in the picture! Act emotionally without any critical analysis.
 
I thought the OP was being generous by making one of the dvd drives an apple one. Those slim dvd laptop drives are way slower than a desktop one. Pic looks pretty accurate to me. Rather keep the old pro model.
 
B So I don´t need Pro Tools or my UAD-2 cards anymore. I need to buy something more modern? RIIIIIIIGHT!!! :rolleyes:
Resistance is futile, man. Toss out all that old-fashioned "Pro" stuff, you won't need it anymore in the Age of Hipster. Just go get your iPad, download iScriptKiddie and switch to making ringtones and fhunny YouTube vids- that's where the future is at! ;)
 
! :rolleyes: Get outta here Tesse! You are not contributing anything!

Goto user CP and ad him to "ignore list"

I did with him and a couple others and this site has become much more pleasant and contains less noise & nonsense.

Like putting a ball gag in a noisome person but less likely to get you in legal trouble.
 
Yup, I thought it was pretty funny when I saw it. But then people started thinking it was actually serious... like the OP here for example. :eek:

For a much more accurate comparison (if it's to be at all taken seriously) the image portion of the MP5,1 should look more like this:


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My actual MP system - not including other musical instruments, headphones, microphones, card readers, or the two very large APS battery backup power systems. :)

NICE! Really like the USB hub and the Pioneer surround sound system. Where can I find a USB hub like that one?
 
Inside the mac pro. Outside the mac pro. I don't really care. If it does what I need it to do for a price than I am able to pay, I could care less if the pieces and parts are on the inside or the outside.
 
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A & C Enclosure like what? I need to buy another thing? Jesus! Still it would be hanging out with extra cables!

B So I don´t need Pro Tools or my UAD-2 cards anymore. I need to buy something more modern? RIIIIIIIGHT!!! :rolleyes: Get outta here Tesse! You are not contributing anything!




Ever heard of sample libraries?

so you don't write music ?

Here is what you do with your incredible problem of wires ( no technical skills required ) -

You buy MP5,1 case, empty it out completely, you know how to use screw driver ? It's not like building Hackintosh, not this hard. Then you buy new mac pro, buy all new stuff, buy a bunch of zip locks, organize cables, tie them together, put mp6,1 into old case with all your stuff and voila it takes up exactly same space as old one and still has no cables!

But seriously switch to windows i heard they don't have cables.

P.S now that i think of it, you probably won't be able to do it, since it will require to use some power tools to cut out PSU and Optical bay shelf.
 
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At first I thought I had started this troll thread.


I've done a *lot* of studio recording. The bad kind, too. Doing demo CD's for punk, ska, whatever bands in the late 90's and early 00's.

Anyone making music has **** stacked to the ceiling. Boards, mixers, racks of effects, XLR cables running every which way, a snake with 3 bad plugs, someone's old Kurzweil, SM57's everywhere, broken snare drums, a random single drum stick, and then your reference monitors stacked on some books framing the sides of the 30" ACD you bought new in 2007 for $2599.

So stop acting like a music pro is going to have a pristine, cableless MacPro pre 2013. Music production is a mess.

Oh, and don't give me the whole spiel about how "well, everything I do is in Midi and I'm running rewire through protools with reason and logic and ableton..." if you're doing that, the mac pro that came out 4 years ago forever future proofs you, and you still don't even need an SSD for recording unless you're at like 64 tracks.

So:

1. If you're doing studio recording with analog instruments, you have so much **** the "Mac Pro 2013" cable situation is moot.

2. If you're doing digital recording with midi and samples, there's no reason you'd need a Mac Pro 2013. I was producing hits in 2004 on a 2.4ghz Pentium 4.
 
So stop acting like a music pro is going to have a pristine, cableless MacPro pre 2013. Music production is a mess.

Yup! And pro video too. My first studio in the 80's had around a thousand cables - and it only grew from there. :) My bedroom studio until just recently had somewhere around 250. This guy was fully loaded and that was just the SD portion:

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Why not?

It´s absolutely the truth!

For example if I would buy the new Mac Pro, these things would be hanging out:

3 x external TB hard drives
1 x PCIe TB expansion chassis loaded with all my PCIe cards
1 x Super Drive

On top of all that I have many things already hanging out from my current Mac Pro. So all these extra things would also add up. Not to mention the prices for all these extra expansion chassises and TB hard drives will cost insanely!

What a mess!!!

The cable spaghetti!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There are ways to streamline the externals and sooner or later there will be chassis available for all the drives, dvd/BR burners and such with TB connections as opposed to USB3 or managed RAID cards to external boxes.

However, it seems that (some will hate me for saying it) that it might be just cheaper to go to a regular PC rather than a Mac to get the horsepower you need via CPU (and possibly graphic cards). Perhaps some of the cards you have now would work in a PC given the right device drivers and software.

I have a Mini with an external BR burner and various USB and FW able external drives along with my NAS units on the network. This serves me well as it isn't quite so messy but certainly is a far cry from my old MB that had everything inside.
 
Like I said, borderline retarded. A and C can go into one single enclosure connected via USB3 with no performance hit. Define B... you probably don't need them any longer. Sell them and buy something modern and useful.

So where that image lies and shows 5 external components the truth is only one is needed - and that's what i mean by: believing it is borderline retarded.

Lol. I laughed the exact same way you did about that.
 
The Case For Personal Responsibility - R we sheep or shepherd?

http://www.giga.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Mac-Pro_2013_Mac-Pro_2013.jpg

I´m also a musician and mixing engineer so in top of ALL THAT... I need to still get Magma Expansion chassis for my Pro Tools and UAD-2 PCIe cards. And that´s not going to be cheap!

Nice one Apple! :apple:

No one computer company can satisfy everyone's need because those needs vary greatly. With the nMP Apple has chosen to pursue what it believes to be a larger MP market. Those who feel left out in the cold because they need lots of fast PCI-e slots should look into the TYAN FT72-B7015 [ http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?...FbNj7AodzxUARA ] - a Dual CPU Nehalem/Westmere LGA 1366 (~$3,700 w/o video card, CPUs, ram, storage and OS) server board. It has ten PCIe 2 x16 slots (two of which have x4 signals [equivalent to current TB max speed] and the other eight can cradle eight double wide PCIe cards at x16 signal speed), two PCI-Ex1 slots and one PCI 32 bit slot. With all of those fast slots, those who need fast PCIe slots for PCI-e raid storage cards, PCI-e audio/video/dsp/dongle cards, render farms and compute nodes may have found their match. In mine, I run 8 Titans fully tweaked on the factory PSUs without any additional PSU assist.

I. A middle range configuration - $10,494:
1) Eoptionsonline sells x5680s (3.3 GHz base/3.6 GHz Turbo) for $890 each [ https://www.eoptionsonline.com/CSea...=AND&DisplayMode=List&SearchPartNumbersOnly=0 ]. Dual x5680s may offer performance similar to the nMP if current Geekbench scores are accurate indicators.

2) For about $756, you can fill the 18 ram slots with 18 sticks from 6x Kingston KVR13R9D8K3/12I DDR3-1333 12GB (3x4GB) ECC/REG CL9 Memory Kits (Part no. W12G8R13KI] from Superbiiz to have 72 gigs of ram.

3) For about $2946, you can get a Super Talent RAIDDrive II 1TB RAID0 PCI Express x8 Solid State Drive(MLC) - PCIe Gen.2 x8 lane host interface, Max Speed - Read 2.4GB/s, Write 2.8GB/s, Minimum 10 year data retention, Built in wear leveling algorithm and error detection and correction [ http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=R2S01T1 ].

4) For about $282, you can get a RAID 0 system consisting of 2x Western Digital Red WD30EFRX 3TB IntelliPower SATA3/SATA 6.0 GB/s 64MB Hard Drive (3.5 inch) [ http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=HD-W30EFRX ].

5) For about

(a) $1,030, you can get a GTX Titan (6GB) video card (CUDA and OpenCL compute, but Radeon 7990 has better OpenCL performance) (unlocking the Titan's double precision prowess with Nvidia Control Center utility and tweaking the clocks with the EVGA Precision X utility yields single and double precision floating point peak performance in excess of that of Tesla K20X {Tesla K20X costs $3,500+}) [ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130899 ] or

(b) $920, you can get a SAPPHIRE HD 7990 (6GB) video card (only OpenCL compute) (it has 2x the single and double precision floating point peak performance of a FirePro W9000 {FirePro costs about $3,400}).

So for about $10,494 ($3700 + $890 + $890 + $756 + $2946 + $282 + $1,030), w/o costs of OSes, you will have dual 3.3 GHz X5680s, 72 gigs of ram, a high end 6GB video/compute card, 1 TB of extremely fast PCI-e storage (Read 2.4GB/s, Write 2.8GB/s) , 6 TB of Raid 0 storage, leaving you with 8 empty PCI-e x16 slots for your other needs, e.g., audio, video, effects, storage, compute (like Titans, Radeon 7990s, FirePros, Teslas and XeonPhis), etc. You can vary the options to better suit your desires, needs, and budget. But you will have to be the master of your system's growth and you'll have the room to do so.

II. A high end configuration - about $14,294 (using latest TYAN 2011 CPU chassis [see, below - about $1,500 more] and 2x E5-2680s V2 - 12 cores {about 2x performance of single 12 core and total about $2,300 more than 2x x5680s }), w/o costs of OSes: For those with a need for PCIe 3 interconnect, there's the soon to be released TYAN B7059F77AV6R [ http://www.tyan.com/product_SKU_spec...&SKU=600000346 ], with eight PCI-E Gen3 x16 slots, two PCI-E Gen3 x8 slots (one for mezzanine card), three PCI-E Gen2 x1 slots, and one PCI 32-bit slot. It appears that this Sandy/Ivy Bridge version will cost about $5,200 w/o video card, CPUs, ram, storage and OS. Here too you can vary the options to better suit your desires, needs, and budget.

Keep these suggestions in mind, at least, until (or revisit them) when the nMP hits the streets and compare the options, values, gotchas and prices. Unfortunately in these internet speed times, we must constantly analyze our needs and prioritize them; then patronize whatever vendor can supply each of us with what we need for the price at which we need it. Too much complaining about another business's strategic decision might just be a waste of our precious time, especially if we aren't exploring our business strategies and the best ways to fulfill them. Just don't let the rug be pulled from under your business plan twice - Pull it from under me once, shame on you and me; but pull it from under me twice, shame only on me.
 
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If only some other companies made computers beside Apple. Someone should start one up and call it Dell or Leveno or something. That way when people didn't like what Apple made they could have a choice to buy something else rather than just complaining all the time.
 
If only some other companies made computers beside Apple. Someone should start one up and call it Dell or Leveno or something. That way when people didn't like what Apple made they could have a choice to buy something else rather than just complaining all the time.

LOL... There's strong evidence to suggest some users are too stupid for that to actually work. :p
 
At first I thought I had started this troll thread.


I've done a *lot* of studio recording. The bad kind, too. Doing demo CD's for punk, ska, whatever bands in the late 90's and early 00's.

Anyone making music has **** stacked to the ceiling. Boards, mixers, racks of effects, XLR cables running every which way, a snake with 3 bad plugs, someone's old Kurzweil, SM57's everywhere, broken snare drums, a random single drum stick, and then your reference monitors stacked on some books framing the sides of the 30" ACD you bought new in 2007 for $2599.

So stop acting like a music pro is going to have a pristine, cableless MacPro pre 2013. Music production is a mess.

Oh, and don't give me the whole spiel about how "well, everything I do is in Midi and I'm running rewire through protools with reason and logic and ableton..." if you're doing that, the mac pro that came out 4 years ago forever future proofs you, and you still don't even need an SSD for recording unless you're at like 64 tracks.

So:

1. If you're doing studio recording with analog instruments, you have so much **** the "Mac Pro 2013" cable situation is moot.

2. If you're doing digital recording with midi and samples, there's no reason you'd need a Mac Pro 2013. I was producing hits in 2004 on a 2.4ghz Pentium 4.
Awesome post and totally true. My favorite bit: "a snake with 3 bad plugs."

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I've done a *lot* of studio recording. The bad kind, too. Doing demo CD's for punk, ska, whatever bands in the late 90's and early 00's.

I was producing hits in 2004 on a 2.4ghz Pentium 4.
Bruce Dickinson: "Easy, guys.. I put my pants on just like the rest of you -- one leg at a time. Except, once my pants are on, I make gold records."
 
You seem to think people have the cash or desire to buy this new MP and then spend the same amount again on brand new TB enclosures to marginally tidy up all the things, some basic, people put in their MP's.

I have the cash and will spend it. Enjoy your model t mac and your drobo
 
With the future release of the new MP... we are no doubt going to see CREATIVE professionals doing some pretty creative things with their workstation / studio rigs / setups... Functionally and Aesthetically :D
 
Bruce Dickinson: "Easy, guys.. I put my pants on just like the rest of you -- one leg at a time. Except, once my pants are on, I make gold records."

What does a Cowbell sound like throttled through thunderbolt? I've got a fever, and the only prescription is more bandwidth [than 2GBps]!
 
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