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The Puma Thread (Mac OS X 10.1)

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swamprock

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Fixed malformed Quicktime URL. It's again available for download :)

Currently installing Puma on my 667mhz TiBook running OS 9.2.2 on a 64mb SD card.

EDIT: Nuking the install. It exhibits some bizarre behavior with the SD card, like disappearing installation files- as in, double-click, and the file disappears, never to be seen again. This includes any archive- zip, bin, and dmg. I'll try it with a regular hard disk.

This might be of some interest- https://www.apple.com/support/downloads/index19.html
 
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LightBulbFun

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neat find on that URL :)

I love forgotten sections of websites like that

as for the bug, I also encountered that with early versions of OS X

its nothing to do with your SD card I think its just how the drive is formatted

I had it when I tried transferring over some combo updates on a USB Stick IIRC

(and the files where still there if you browsed via the CLI)
 
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Amethyst1 said:
What's Puma's performance like on these two?
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Well, on the 9600 performance wasn't that great on OS 9 to begin with. On OS X it's even worse (though it's still very usable). But if you were definitely going to use this computer without upgrades, running it on OS 9 would be a much better choice unless you want to run an OS X-only program. Upgrading this computer would be much better.

On the iBook G3, the system is very usable, and performance between the two OSs is much more similar. Both OSs run very nice and smooth on it.

Amethyst1 said:
That kernel panic may be due to Puma not recognising the PowerBook3,5 identifier; try spoofing a PowerBook3,4 in OF. But yeh, make sure the install is fully updated. This is why I use Puma Server 10.1.5 shipped with the original Xserve G4: It's newer than 10.1.5 client and contains additional kexts.
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Thanks, I might try that!
 
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Added Corel Graphics Suite, DAVE, File Buddy, Goliath, ICQ, LineIn, MagiC Mac X (under a new "Emulators" category, where I've also moved VPC), SoundSource, Toast, WorkStrip X.
 
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LightBulbFun said:
neat find on that URL :)

I love forgotten sections of websites like that

as for the bug, I also encountered that with early versions of OS X

its nothing to do with your SD card I think its just how the drive is formatted

I had it when I tried transferring over some combo updates on a USB Stick IIRC

(and the files where still there if you browsed via the CLI)
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Same experience. Never saw it on Jaguar and above.

Gotta wonder, what's up with that?
 
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swamprock said:
Fixed malformed Quicktime URL. It's again available for download :)

Currently installing Puma on my 667mhz TiBook running OS 9.2.2 on a 64mb SD card.

EDIT: Nuking the install. It exhibits some bizarre behavior with the SD card, like disappearing installation files- as in, double-click, and the file disappears, never to be seen again. This includes any archive- zip, bin, and dmg. I'll try it with a regular hard disk.

This might be of some interest- https://www.apple.com/support/downloads/index19.html
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Reminds me of these two forgotten pages:
https://www.apple.com/hk/en/osx/server/specs/
https://www.apple.com/hk/en/server/macosx/index.html

I know there are many more I had bookmarked, but it’s all a matter of finding the links.:D
 
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LightBulbFun

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Got 10.1.5 booting on the 800Mhz iBook G3 :) , got it booting after I transplanted (and renamed) the ATI NDRV file from 10.2.8 into 10.1.5's AppleNDRV Folder and added ATY,Bee to the plist file (in 10.2.8 the NDRV file is in a bundle in the NDRV folder and is called ATIDriver but in 10.1.5 its not in a bundle and is called ATIDriverUpdate, and it will only load if the frame-buffer personality name is in the plist of the same name)

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10.1.5 needs a working NDRV, but in PPC macs with built in GPUs the ROMs are incomplete and dont include a full NDRV (its like a reduced ROM on a flashed card) and this NDRV resides in the OS instead, so 10.1.5 would boot up all the way but fall over and fail to load the window server due to the missing NDRV

so as above I had the idea to transplant the NDRV from a newer version of OS X and what do you know it works :)
 
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swamprock said:
Fixed malformed Quicktime URL. It's again available for download :)

Currently installing Puma on my 667mhz TiBook running OS 9.2.2 on a 64mb SD card.

EDIT: Nuking the install. It exhibits some bizarre behavior with the SD card, like disappearing installation files- as in, double-click, and the file disappears, never to be seen again. This includes any archive- zip, bin, and dmg. I'll try it with a regular hard disk.

This might be of some interest- https://www.apple.com/support/downloads/index19.html
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Did you ever find out why the items on SD disappeared; I’d just updated a Quicksilver 2002 to 10.1 (via 10.1 update CD) but needed the combo update, to get to 10.1.5. With apple not updating these machines directly, I’d put the combo update on a flash drive but, like you said the files would disappear when clicked; when checked on another machine they are still there. In the end I burned the files to a cd for it to see them.
 
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Does anyone still have the file for iTunes? The site is no longer working :(
 
Bruninho

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I guess that it might be better to run Leopard at this point... Although I do like the old Aqua interface without brushed metal.
 
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But wasn't Tiger supposed to have some sort of patches to remove brushed metal from apps? like, Metalifizer, Whiteout...?
 
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What would be in an alternate universe, if Catalina could run on our PPC macs ? Surely, it would require a G5 as minimum I would think.
 
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LightBulbFun said:
Got 10.1.5 booting on the 800Mhz iBook G3 :) , got it booting after I transplanted (and renamed) the ATI NDRV file from 10.2.8 into 10.1.5's AppleNDRV Folder and added ATY,Bee to the plist file (in 10.2.8 the NDRV file is in a bundle in the NDRV folder and is called ATIDriver but in 10.1.5 its not in a bundle and is called ATIDriverUpdate, and it will only load if the frame-buffer personality name is in the plist of the same name)

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10.1.5 needs a working NDRV, but in PPC macs with built in GPUs the ROMs are incomplete and dont include a full NDRV (its like a reduced ROM on a flashed card) and this NDRV resides in the OS instead, so 10.1.5 would boot up all the way but fall over and fail to load the window server due to the missing NDRV

so as above I had the idea to transplant the NDRV from a newer version of OS X and what do you know it works :)
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well smoke me a kipper ill be dammed

after Digging out my 14 inch iBook G4 today to finally get round to unbricking and pleasantly discovering that the above 12 inch iBook was hiding a 14 inch keyboard I duly installed it into my aforementioned 14 inch iBook G4 which has not had a working keyboard since I got it (I have always used it with a USB keyboard which has made it quite cumbersome to use at times)

I decided to play around with it some

and just for giggles I tried the above patches

(along with a couple others in OF to masquerade the system as a Firewire 400 (so MacRISC2) PowerMac3,6, so 10.1.5 knew which platform expert to use)

and what do you know it only bloody works :)

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really did not expect that given that the same did not work for my 867Mhz TiBook which is an Older system then the iBook G4

the only thing I can think there is if its some sort of dual display thing, since the TiBook supports spanning where as the iBook G4 only does mirroring, so have to wonder if thats playing a roll here

(at least normally, of course the iBook G4's hardware supports spanning just fine its just an OpenFirmware flag that disables it hence screen spanning doctor)


currently the TiBook with the necessary NDRV transplant and plist editing it will try and load the window server but it falls over something and only gets as far as a mouse which sometimes turns into a spinning Magneto-optical disc

will have to see if I can do a reverse of screen spanning doctor on the TiBook and see if that gets it booting on 10.1.5

(or apply the screen spanning patches to the iBook and see if that stops things from booting)
 
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