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AustinIllini

macrumors G5
Oct 20, 2011
12,699
10,567
Austin, TX
The G4 might turn out to be a great phone and it borders on the phablet side. But how do you know about the bolded above. Because just about everyone that actually has a S6 here on MR has reported great battery life.

Nearly every reviewer of the LG G4 has praised LG for focusing on battery life over performance. The Verge, Android Central (My personal favorite Android reviewers), ZDNet, nearly everyone on TWiT have admitted the G4s battery life is better.
 

jamezr

macrumors P6
Aug 7, 2011
16,078
19,077
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Nearly every reviewer of the LG G4 has praised LG for focusing on battery life over performance. The Verge, Android Central (My personal favorite Android reviewers), ZDNet, nearly everyone on TWiT have admitted the G4s battery life is better.
Oh i have no doubt the G4 battery will be better than the S6. It is a bigger phone with a bigger battery. But the S6 battery is pretty good in my experiences.
 

AustinIllini

macrumors G5
Oct 20, 2011
12,699
10,567
Austin, TX
Oh i have no doubt the G4 battery will be better than the S6. It is a bigger phone with a bigger battery. But the S6 battery is pretty good in my experiences.

And I don't really want to get in an argument over a phone that isn't available to the mass market, however, my point is the Samsung is no longer the undisputed king of android. There are so many great options now. It's a mistake to call the S6 disastrous, as it enters a far more competitive climate than many of its predecessors.
 

jamezr

macrumors P6
Aug 7, 2011
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And I don't really want to get in an argument over a phone that isn't available to the mass market, however, my point is the Samsung is no longer the undisputed king of android. There are so many great options now. It's a mistake to call the S6 disastrous, as it enters a far more competitive climate than many of its predecessors.
I don't think Samsung is the king of Android either. There are way too many Android phone makers producing some really nice phones.
I just commented on this quote in regards to the S6
Samsung's terrible battery life

Most of us that have had the S6 here on MR have reported pretty good battery life.
 

Abazigal

Contributor
Jul 18, 2011
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Oh and for the record the ceo of samsung debunked this a few days ago.I wonder why forbs don't make a follow up saying that it's not true? Maybe because the title and topic will get millions more hits?


I wonder if Samsung's spotty record when it comes to honestly and accurately reporting sales figures might have anything to do with it.

So you will have to forgive me if I don't naively devour every scrap of information Samsung tosses me.
 

adnbek

macrumors 68000
Oct 22, 2011
1,584
551
Montreal, Quebec
I was on topic the S6 is a great phone and should sell more than the S5 once it is released in the same number of countries. Then lets look at total sales to put things in perspective. If sales are the defining metric for quality of a product(s). These are numbers for May. The S6 sales haven't had a chance to to really reflect anything yet. So if Samsung S6 sales are disappointing....yet Samsung still out sell Apple!

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Probably this: http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung-phones-f-9-10.php (make sure you also go through all the pages :p) may have something to do with it.

Apple releases only one phone (or as was the case the past 2 years, a whopping TWO) each year. Samsung sells hundreds of different models at every price point from almost free to premium. It's not a surprise that the combined sales of all of these handsets would surpass that of only one phone.

What is a surprise is how the gap ain't larger than it is, considering that. Quite an achievement by Apple I'd say that they can hold their own and sell record breaking numbers every year, despite the deluge of handsets released every week from their competitors.

Compare Android to iOS and the same logic applies as well, with one phone competing against thousands of other handsets by a multitude of OEMs, each churning out dozens or more models at every price point from cheap to premium, and yet 2 out of every 10 phones sold globally is still an iPhone. And it is still, by a wide margin, the best selling smartphone every single year. Period.

I don't know how that could be seen as a negative for Apple. I'd say they've done very well sales-wise. :) But keep posting that spreadsheet a few more times if it somehow means anything.
 
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JayIsAwesome

macrumors 68000
Sep 8, 2013
1,505
1,490
Texas
I think this sums it up for most people. I bought the iPhone 6 on launch and right now I wouldn't swap because I'm enjoying the iPhone. We all have different preferences and sales figures mean nothing to us. Let the corporations worry about sales and let consumers enjoy what they like. There is no doubt the S6 and iP6 are brilliant smartphones and let's face it they do the job perfectly. The choice is out there.

Great comment, that I 100% agree with
 

jamezr

macrumors P6
Aug 7, 2011
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Probably this: http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung-phones-f-9-10.php (make sure you also go through all the pages :p) may have something to do with it.

Apple releases only one phone (or as was the case the past 2 years, a whopping TWO) each year. Samsung sells hundreds of different models at every price point from almost free to premium. It's not a surprise that the combined sales of all of these handsets would surpass that of only one phone.

What is a surprise is how the gap ain't larger than it is, considering that. Quite an achievement by Apple I'd say that they can hold their own and sell record breaking numbers every year, despite the deluge of handsets released every week from their competitors.

Compare Android to iOS and the same logic applies as well, with one phone competing against thousands of other handsets by a multitude of OEMs, each churning out dozens or more models at every price point from cheap to premium, and yet 2 out of every 10 phones sold globally is still an iPhone. And it is still, by a wide margin, the best selling smartphone every single year. Period.

I don't know how that could be seen as a negative for Apple. I'd say they've done very well sales-wise. :) But keep posting that spreadsheet a few more times if it somehow means anything.
Comparing Android to IOS is a direct comparison. Apple is the only one to sell IOS phones. That is by design. They do not want to license their product. Its their choice...but the flipside is they get compared to Android. Since there is only one brand of phone that runs IOS then it is a direct comparison between mobile OSes. The iphone is the best selling single phone model in the world and it runs IOS. Apple chooses not to license IOS. Google choose the opposite route. You can't punish Android because Apple chooses to be a closed platform.
 

rockitdog

macrumors 68030
Mar 25, 2013
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Sales isn't a good measure of product quality. S6 is still a more advanced than the iPhone. But the masses like iphone because it's the cool thing to have. It's like with the black berry craze. It was trendy at one point to have a blackberry even though there were better phones out there.

I have a iphone 6 plus and a s6 edge. And my s6 definitely feels more modern than my iPhone 6. But the average consumer just want a trendy phone with basic features.

I have had both and at the end of the day, I'd settled for less bells and whistles and a better overall all day to day experience. With the iPhone I know what I'm getting. The inconsistent battery life killed my enjoyment of the S6. I think the S6 cemented in my mind that I am an iPhone guy at the end of the day.
 

Truefan31

macrumors 68040
Aug 25, 2012
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835
Comparing Android to IOS is a direct comparison. Apple is the only one to sell IOS phones. That is by design. They do not want to license their product. Its their choice...but the flipside is they get compared to Android. Since there is only one brand of phone that runs IOS then it is a direct comparison between mobile OSes. The iphone is the best selling single phone model in the world and it runs IOS. Apple chooses not to license IOS. Google choose the opposite route. You can't punish Android because Apple chooses to be a closed platform.


It's not punishing android. It's trying to illustrate that the iPhone like you said is the best selling smartphone in the world. It must be doing a lot of things right, things other oems wish they could do. A fair comparison is going by model. How the iPhone sells compared to the Samsung Galaxy flagship, or the lg g series/htc one etc. not only is the iPhone vastly outselling its so called competition, Apple reaps just about all the benefits.

It's not punishing android for not caring about licensing, but it shouldn't be punishing to Apple for wanting control over their os. I think it's working for Apple both in sales and profit. 89% of the total smartphone market is astonishing.
 

I7guy

macrumors Nehalem
Nov 30, 2013
35,160
25,277
Gotta be in it to win it
It's not punishing android. It's trying to illustrate that the iPhone like you said is the best selling smartphone in the world. It must be doing a lot of things right, things other oems wish they could do. A fair comparison is going by model. How the iPhone sells compared to the Samsung Galaxy flagship, or the lg g series/htc one etc. not only is the iPhone vastly outselling its so called competition, Apple reaps just about all the benefits.

It's not punishing android for not caring about licensing, but it shouldn't be punishing to Apple for wanting control over their os. I think it's working for Apple both in sales and profit. 89% of the total smartphone market is astonishing.

iPhone is the best selling smartphone while android is the most widely distributed mobile o/s.
 

skratch77

macrumors 65816
Mar 20, 2013
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5
iPhone is the best selling smartphone while android is the most widely distributed mobile o/s.

Pretty sure the gs3 out sold apple in 2013 and iphones sales include all the iphones including the 4s,5,5s,5c 6 and 6 plus so why can't samsung include all it's models?
 

The-Real-Deal82

macrumors P6
Jan 17, 2013
17,317
25,469
Wales, United Kingdom
'The Samsung Galaxy S6 Sales Disaster'

Pretty sure the gs3 out sold apple in 2013 and iphones sales include all the iphones including the 4s,5,5s,5c 6 and 6 plus so why can't samsung include all it's models?

They no longer sell the 4S or 5 new where I live anymore. You can buy a Samsung device here for £10 so it's like comparing phones is totally different markets. Of course you can include them if you want but I don't think it provides an accurate picture of how well each of these manufacturers are doing in the flagship end of the market.

Apple and Samsung have very different business models. Apple focus solely on the high end of the market while Samsung aim at everything from the extreme budget to flagship sectors. I think every man and his dog would be intelligent enough to realise that on that basis Samsung will sell more units. I bet they sell more refrigerators than Apple too lol.

If we want to get silly we could include other products that sell with a mobile OS like the Galaxy Tab range, the iPod and iPads. This discussion is about sales of Samsung's flagship device though, so it's only fair to compare it to direct competition, not puff it out by including everything they sell in order to increase the impact. The product is good enough not to have to go down that route IMO.
 

Oletros

macrumors 603
Jul 27, 2009
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Come on. Stats like this is useless. Compare the Iphone to the equivalent single flagship model. Of course android will sell more phones because Apple only make one high end model.

You do know Ford sell a hell of alot more cars than Ferrari.

2015 and still comparing simple smartphones with Ferraris and Fords?
 

The-Real-Deal82

macrumors P6
Jan 17, 2013
17,317
25,469
Wales, United Kingdom
2015 and still comparing simple smartphones with Ferraris and Fords?

I think that is the point they are making. If we use cars as a similarity it's like comparing Aston Martin to the whole of the Fiat group because Ferrari is also owned by them and is their prestige division. People would say Aston Martin only manufacture 12 cars a week but are eclipsed by Fiat because they sell Ferraris', Puntos', 500's, etc etc in the hundreds of thousands. When will Aston Martin catch up? Puts it into perspective I think.

Totally different market approaches much like Apple and Samsung in the mobile sector. If marketshare was important then I think Apple would be dipping it's toes into the domain of producing devices across all cost spectrums. You can't possibly attempt to secure the majority of any market unless you position yourself in a position to reach everybody. Apple don't do that because they aim at the higher end.
 

srshaw

macrumors 6502
Aug 13, 2011
410
66
I has a Samsung for a time (an S3), it had a gorgeous screen, but was buggy and I generally hated it. It felt like comparing Linux to OS X (or windows). You could do everything with it, it was just an effort. I'm quite happy now to pay a premium and have a phone that just works (having said that, is the S6 actually that cheap?)

I suppose given is time I could get used to Android. One feature I really liked were widgets on the home screen.
 

adnbek

macrumors 68000
Oct 22, 2011
1,584
551
Montreal, Quebec
Comparing Android to IOS is a direct comparison. Apple is the only one to sell IOS phones. That is by design. They do not want to license their product. Its their choice...but the flipside is they get compared to Android. Since there is only one brand of phone that runs IOS then it is a direct comparison between mobile OSes. The iphone is the best selling single phone model in the world and it runs IOS. Apple chooses not to license IOS. Google choose the opposite route. You can't punish Android because Apple chooses to be a closed platform.

I'm not punishing Android. I'm just trying to explain why even a 10-20% marketshare held by one family of devices is impressive when it's up against a platform that can run on anything.
 

Technarchy

macrumors 604
May 21, 2012
6,753
4,927
My understanding is the S6 is a great phone. However, most reviewers of the LG G4 consider it comparable without Samsung's terrible battery life.

My S6 doesn't have terrible battery life. By what standard is 4.5 hours to 5.5 hours of screen time "terrible"?

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In a sense, the S6 was influenced by the sales figures of the S5. Hypothetically speaking, if sales remain poor, do you think that Samsung will remain in the phone industry and continue making the phones that you love to use?

Samsung makes billions in the mobile sector. They are also the #1 seller of mobile devices on the planet.

...not 2...

...not 3...

NUMBER 1!

So lets not entertain any delusional notion that Samsung is getting out of the mobile sphere.

In addition the S6 launched in fewer countries and Samsung has had manufacturing issues keeping up with demand with the Edge model.
 

jamezr

macrumors P6
Aug 7, 2011
16,078
19,077
US
I'm not punishing Android. I'm just trying to explain why even a 10-20% marketshare held by one family of devices is impressive when it's up against a platform that can run on anything.
And the IOS platform....is up against Android on phones. Also remember this is the way Apple wants it. They chose this path.....
 

sunking101

macrumors 604
Sep 19, 2013
7,423
2,659
My S6 doesn't have terrible battery life. By what standard is 4.5 hours to 5.5 hours of screen time "terrible"?

That's pretty terrible. Even an old iPhone with a shot battery will return that kind of 'screen on' time. My 6+ gives me double.
 

rockitdog

macrumors 68030
Mar 25, 2013
2,724
1,241
I'll just say this .... I do more research than forbes.com

I have both challenged & corrected Gordon Kelly on a number of occasions on twitter due to inaccurate reporting.

Enough said.



News articles on Forbes.com are as reliable as the News on Fox !!!
"Even the truth, once reported on Fox is a lie ......" - Louis Griffin

Gordon Kelly seems like they kind of reporter who hears something and then runs with it and regurgitates it as his own no matter how right or wrong it is...
 
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