'The Samsung Galaxy S6 Sales Disaster'

[placidity44]

I'm an Apple guy through and through but i'm not naive. Sales are in no way shape or form a indicator of quality even though I prefer the iPhone to the S6. The S6 is a phenomenal phone I just love the Apple ecosystem. I have a Mac, iPad, and Apple TV so it made a lot more sense for me to get an iPhone. The Galaxy S series is the closest Android has to an iPhone type brandname. The S6 could have had a flexible OLED display with features we can only imagine and there will be a ton of people who go with iPhone because of the brandname and it's what they are used to. Point being sales isn't an indicator of quality. I think since phones are subsidized through carriers a lot of people will go with the iPhone because they figure why go with the samsung phone when it's the same price subsidized as the iPhone. A ton of people don't know or don't care about specs. I certainly want to see Android succeed not because I like it but because it keeps Apple in the mindset that they need to keep innovating and working hard. We don't want to see any one company be completely dominant because that's bad for the consumers. Innovation and competition is the best thing for us consumers.

 

[sunking101]

"The web browsing test is performed using an automated script which reloads a webpage every ten seconds. There are no flash elements on the web pages, so the playing field is even. The brightness of the phones' displays is set to 50% and we use a Wireless N router placed a few meters away to get full connectivity bars."

They get that by setting up conditions that few will ever actually achieve. They reload a single webpage repeatedly over the course of hours while sitting pretty close to a router. >_>;

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I'm just wondering how. Even GSMArena, whose battery tests are a joke, only got 9:05. Unless he turned the brightness down lower than 50% and sat on top of the router, it seems a bit ... fantastic.

Screen brightness low, 4G on, background app refresh off, location services off except for certain apps, a couple of tabs open. Some guys claim 12-14 hours so I'm being conservative with my 10 hours! Really though, one should expect the 6+ to return that kind of figure and the GSM Arena result is much lower than I've ever got.

 

[jamezr]

I'm an Apple guy through and through but i'm not naive. Sales are in no way shape or form a indicator of quality even though I prefer the iPhone to the S6. The S6 is a phenomenal phone I just love the Apple ecosystem. I have a Mac, iPad, and Apple TV so it made a lot more sense for me to get an iPhone. The Galaxy S series is the closest Android has to an iPhone type brandname. The S6 could have had a flexible OLED display with features we can only imagine and there will be a ton of people who go with iPhone because of the brandname and it's what they are used to. Point being sales isn't an indicator of quality. I think since phones are subsidized through carriers a lot of people will go with the iPhone because they figure why go with the samsung phone when it's the same price subsidized as the iPhone. A ton of people don't know or don't care about specs. I certainly want to see Android succeed not because I like it but because it keeps Apple in the mindset that they need to keep innovating and working hard. We don't want to see any one company be completely dominant because that's bad for the consumers. Innovation and competition is the best thing for us consumers.

Great points! The bolded part.....very very true!

 

[kdarling]

I wonder if Samsung's spotty record when it comes to honestly and accurately reporting sales figures might have anything to do with it.

Got an example of Samsung reporting one number and then changing it later?

Or are you thinking of times that analysts guessed one thing and Samsung's actual figures were different?

 

[I7guy]

Great points! The bolded part.....very very true!

Except the bolded isn't up to us here at macrumors. The Apple customers are the ones that enabled Apple to be a dominant force.

By the same token wouldn't want Samsung to be a dominant force either.

 

[jamezr]

Except the bolded isn't up to us here at macrumors. The Apple customers are the ones that enabled Apple to be a dominant force.

Isn't there a hotel commercial that the guy in a captain hat states the obvious.
Then the voice over guy says "Thanks captain obvious". I think that applies here.....

 

[I7guy]

Isn't there a hotel commercial that the guy in a captain hat states the obvious.
Then the voice over guy says "Thanks captain obvious". I think that applies here.....

Never take anything for granted especially in this forum. Some "obvious" things are really not that "obvious" to everybody.

 

[Michael Goff]

Screen brightness low, 4G on, background app refresh off, location services off except for certain apps, a couple of tabs open. Some guys claim 12-14 hours so I'm being conservative with my 10 hours! Really though, one should expect the 6+ to return that kind of figure and the GSM Arena result is much lower than I've ever got.

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You never answered how you account for time that the screen is off, at least not that I have read.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Got an example of Samsung reporting one number and then changing it later?

Or are you thinking of times that analysts guessed one thing and Samsung's actual figures were different?

Samsung were caught out when they inflated tablet sales in 2011 and 2014, so nothing would surprise me if they've done it in the mobile division too. Then again I am not naive when it comes to big companies being untruthful with this sort of thing. I'm sure Apple have done it too at some point.

 

[Michael Goff]

Samsung were caught out when they inflated tablet sales in 2011 and 2014, so nothing would surprise me if they've done it in the mobile division too. Then again I am not naive when it comes to big companies being untruthful with this sort of thing. I'm sure Apple have done it too at some point.

The greatest thing Apple ever did in terms of trickery was convince people that Android shipments and iPhone sales weren't the same thing. >_>;

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

The greatest thing Apple ever did in terms of trickery was convince people that Android shipments and iPhone sales weren't the same thing. >_>;

How did they trick people, through what means?

My opinion is formed by having a good education and common sense so they failed with me because I reached the conclusion without their help.

 

[sunking101]

You never answered how you account for time that the screen is off, at least not that I have read.

It hardly ever is off. Believe me all you like but my phone is hammered, daily. I can't for the life of me understand how people don't notice the lack of RAM, and you can't fathom how I could possibly use my phone for 8-10 hours non-stop. People eh!

 

[Sevanw]

Great points! The bolded part.....very very true!

It's my belief that the blind followers of any brand are the ones that hurt innovation. They enable these companies to give inferior hardware at the price of premium hardware. The premium price for inferior hardware is sold under the guise of a superior user experience. Sorry but I'm not that weak minded to let a company sell me their subjective bs. So again, if people demanded the price to match the hardware (facts), they wouldn't allow these companies to recycle their outdated hardware and the consumers in the industry will be better off. A premium user experience is a given. Don't charge me for your idea of a premium user experience. Blind followers are the worst thing to happen to any industry.

 

[Michael Goff]

It hardly ever is off. Believe me all you like but my phone is hammered, daily. I can't for the life of me understand how people don't notice the lack of RAM, and you can't fathom how I could possibly use my phone for 8-10 hours non-stop. People eh!

Now it's 8-10. I thought it was on 10 hours. I see your estimate is just that, an estimate. You said "Sure I stop for toilet & drinks breaks etc ", which implies the screen is off for those times. I don't even know what you count in that, since you say "etc". But, yes, I don't know how you're employed still since you seem to be mostly browsing on the internet all day at work.

 

[rockitdog]

I hate when people compare SOT of the iP6Plus to that of the S6... comparing screen time is totally apples and oranges. SOT is also just one aspect of how a battery works. I have now had two different S6s that have both completely disappointed and fallen way short of my already low expectation for battery life for it. I knew going into it that a UHD display + smaller battery wasn't a good thing but I still tried. My iP6 has a much more reliable battery life that consistently lasts longer.

 

[I7guy]

It's my belief that the blind followers of any brand are the ones that hurt innovation. They enable these companies to give inferior hardware at the price of premium hardware. The premium price for inferior hardware is sold under the guise of a superior user experience. Sorry but I'm not that weak minded to let a company sell me their subjective bs. So again, if people demanded the price to match the hardware (facts), they wouldn't allow these companies to recycle their outdated hardware and the consumers in the industry will be better off. A premium user experience is a given. Don't charge me for your idea of a premium user experience. Blind followers are the worst thing to happen to any industry.

Thankfully a strong willed individual that can see through the Apple halo. You against couple of hundred million people. Not likely to change soon with that type of customer base.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Now it's 8-10. I thought it was on 10 hours. I see your estimate is just that, an estimate. You said "Sure I stop for toilet & drinks breaks etc ", which implies the screen is off for those times. I don't even know what you count in that, since you say "etc". But, yes, I don't know how you're employed still since you seem to be mostly browsing on the internet all day at work.

The guy already said what he does for a living that enables him to be on his phone for so many hours in a day. Also why are you so pedantic about the exact amount of hours? 10 hours for the 6 Plus is about average from threads on here and considering he's quite critical of certain aspects of iOS and the iPhone, I have no reason to believe he would lie about battery life. It's not like he's claiming an unrealistic figure in the first place! lol

 

[sunking101]

Now it's 8-10. I thought it was on 10 hours. I see your estimate is just that, an estimate. You said "Sure I stop for toilet & drinks breaks etc ", which implies the screen is off for those times. I don't even know what you count in that, since you say "etc". But, yes, I don't know how you're employed still since you seem to be mostly browsing on the internet all day at work.

No, I said that I use it non-stop for 8-10 hours. That's most days. I get 10 hours of web browsing from a full charge. My screen is rarely off because I have it set to not power off, and leaving it alone for five mins every now & then is hardly a massive issue.
I can't believe that I'm having to justify my usage pattern here! I fully realise that it isn't the norm, believe me. My job involves me risking my life on average once per week. The rest of the time I am paid, quite well as it happens, to sit on my butt in a state of constant readiness. Over the years my smartphone use has grown & grown (I used to read books) and now I live on this thing. It is VERY rarely out of my hands. Whether that's believable or not is frankly of zero consequence to me but there you go. I have explained my usage pattern. Take it or leave it. It may go some way to explaining why the various limitations of the 6+ bug me so....because I thoroughly field test this device.

 

[gotluck]

the problem is you just cant compare android 'screen on time', to ios 'usage', you just can't

So we have an exact measurement, to the second, on the android side and a particularly rough estimate on the ios side

you should not be able to achieve GSMarena's battery tests with real world use, unless updates have improved battery life dramatically since they did the test.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

No, I said that I use it non-stop for 8-10 hours. That's most days. I get 10 hours of web browsing from a full charge. My screen is rarely off because I have it set to not power off, and leaving it alone for five mins every now & then is hardly a massive issue.

I can't believe that I'm having to justify my usage pattern here! I fully realise that it isn't the norm, believe me. My job involves me risking my life on average once per week. The rest of the time I am paid, quite well as it happens, to sit on my butt in a state of constant readiness. Over the years my smartphone use has grown & grown (I used to read books) and now I live on this thing. It is VERY rarely out of my hands. Whether that's believable or not is frankly of zero consequence to me but there you go. I have explained my usage pattern. Take it or leave it. It may go some way to explaining why the various limitations of the 6+ bug me so....because I thoroughly field test this device.

'Yes but are you still using it constantly when in the middle of saving people lives?!'

That will no doubt be the next question fired your way lol

 

[gotluck]

along with how are you in a constant state of readiness while always using your phone heavily

 

[sunking101]

'Yes but are you still using it constantly when in the middle of saving people lives?!'

That will no doubt be the next question fired your way lol

☺️ Some days I have to put it down.

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along with how are you in a constant state of readiness while always using your phone heavily

That's why I don't use an iPad etc. I can pocket this phone in seconds. Come to think of it, you're right. I should put my feet up and catch a few Zzzs instead.☺️

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the problem is you just cant compare android 'screen on time', to ios 'usage', you just can't

So we have an exact measurement, to the second, on the android side and a particularly rough estimate on the ios side

you should not be able to achieve GSMarena's battery tests with real world use, unless updates have improved battery life dramatically since they did the test.

GSM Arena skewed the 6+ test. Apple quote 10 hours LTE/WiFi browsing time for the 5S! My 10 hours with the 6+ is trumped by many people I'm sure. I think it should last longer.

 

[kdarling]

Samsung were caught out when they inflated tablet sales in 2011 and 2014, ...

No sir. That was poor article research done by the usual suspects. (I'm being really kind here -some of the mistakes were sheer stupidity, but some were obviously deliberate attempts at misleading their readers.)

For instance, the 2011 trial articles were about a difference between Samsung's official _US_ sales of infringed tablets only, and the reports of many more sales _worldwide_ by analysts. (See my post on this here.)

Then again I am not naive when it comes to big companies being untruthful with this sort of thing. I'm sure Apple have done it too at some point.

Apple always tells the truth, just not always the whole truth. But they word things very carefully. I never look at what they say, but at what they _don't_ say, and how they did it. In other words, if Apple says something like, "We cannot decrypt your messages", they don't mean NSA cannot. Just Apple ("we")

As for sales, they accurately report sales into the channel, but not how many returns there were, nor the breakdown of sales, nor how many of those were refurbs, etc.

Also, most people (even reporters!) ignore Apple's reporting of how much of those sales were still in store inventories at the end of the quarter. Often its millions more than the quarter before, which indicates slowing end user sales.

It's all fun to watch

 

[Michael Goff]

The guy already said what he does for a living that enables him to be on his phone for so many hours in a day. Also why are you so pedantic about the exact amount of hours? 10 hours for the 6 Plus is about average from threads on here and considering he's quite critical of certain aspects of iOS and the iPhone, I have no reason to believe he would lie about battery life. It's not like he's claiming an unrealistic figure in the first place! lol

How dare I ask for accuracy?!

No, I said that I use it non-stop for 8-10 hours. That's most days. I get 10 hours of web browsing from a full charge. My screen is rarely off because I have it set to not power off, and leaving it alone for five mins every now & then is hardly a massive issue.
I can't believe that I'm having to justify my usage pattern here! I fully realise that it isn't the norm, believe me. My job involves me risking my life on average once per week. The rest of the time I am paid, quite well as it happens, to sit on my butt in a state of constant readiness. Over the years my smartphone use has grown & grown (I used to read books) and now I live on this thing. It is VERY rarely out of my hands. Whether that's believable or not is frankly of zero consequence to me but there you go. I have explained my usage pattern. Take it or leave it. It may go some way to explaining why the various limitations of the 6+ bug me so....because I thoroughly field test this device.

Actually, your quote was 9-10.5 in one post. I can't find anything that's 8-10. Also, you don't have to justify anything. Just know that most people here won't really believe that a person uses their web browser on their phone 8-10 hours a day, or 9-10.5, without it having to be charged.

'Yes but are you still using it constantly when in the middle of saving people lives?!'

That will no doubt be the next question fired your way lol

Yes, we should all just accept what people say at face value and never question it.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

How dare I ask for accuracy?!



Yes, we should all just accept what people say at face value and never question it.

It's not that you are asking for accuracy but the way in which you are going after this fella with some sort of quest to try and expose him as a liar that is bizarre. His claims seem to fit in with others I have read posts from so I wouldn't waste my time trying to force him to prove it. I probably use my standard iPhone 6 for about 4 to 5 hours a day from a full charge and light the screen up every 30 minutes to check for notifications. I couldn't prove that I don't think, nor would I be too bothered if someone didn't believe me.

In this environment we are pretty anonymous so we can do nothing but take things at face value.