99 percent of people can't tell the difference (or need to) between wired and wireless. And like he other poster said, get a USB adapter if you must have wired.
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iPad There's no reason to buy an iPad anymore
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99 percent of people can't tell the difference (or need to) between wired and wireless. And like he other poster said, get a USB adapter if you must have wired.
Did you make up that statistics yourself?
Regular people hear a difference between different Bluetooth codecs, yet they cannot hear it against wired?
I got a streaming setup at home using UPnP/DLNA (far better than Airplay and bluetooth audio), so no need for an USB adapter.
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Which is NOT a logical reason, as I've explained ad infinitum.
That's simply not true, because I don't have the facts from Apple Inc regarding their internal decision making process to be able to give you the definitive, positive answer for "why". I can, using logic, give you plenty of negative answers with pretty much 100% confidence. One of those negative answers is that they did NOT remove it to sell AirPods, as I've explained quite clearly to any rational-minded person. I can also deduce that they did not remove it simply to pi$$ people off. I mean, they COULD have done it for that reason, right? But it would make no sense for them to do so.
Assuming you guys aren't just having me on at this point, I am completely baffled how you fail to see my point. You must REALLY dislike Apple to stubbornly insist on such an obviously irrational accusation.
So before they removed the headphone jack, everyone thought AirPods were crap or didn't realize wireless headphones were an option and/or were more convenient? I'm sorry, but that is silly.
Indeed and much the same with MagSafe when the iPhone 12 was released. Apple didn’t remove chargers to save the environment, they did it to save cost in one guise and released a new MagSafe charger that was extensively marketed along with the new feature. Apple didn’t want you to use the old chargers you have, they’d much rather you spend £59 on their new charger instead. I’m sure more people used the old chargers than MagSafe though, but it was a clever bit of marketing by Apple.
There's enough space for a headphone jack in OG iPhone SE (and in all previous, even smaller models), but not in a huge iPad Pro 12.9-inch?
Keeping lightning allows Apple to collect royalties on every such device from 3rd parties. Hence, compared to similar USB-C or micro-USB accessories, lightning is way overpriced.
AirPods were introduced at the same keynote as the iPhone 7 (1st jack-free phone).
AirPods - Wikipedia
It's very logical for Apple as a company supposed to make profits. It's easy to conclude by counting your own costs (bad for you = good for Apple).
Before the jack removal, all you had to do to listen to music, was to buy an iPhone, and you were done (headphone jack + EarBuds were in the box). Zero additional costs. As a bonus, EarBuds could be reliably used with any other device, so you just unplug them from your iPhone and plug into your Windows PC or MP3 player.
Now, your first option is to buy AirPods. Another $120-500. On the downside, you need to often charge them. Plus, they are disposable, as batteries cannot be replaced. Sound and speech recognition quality are inferior. For other devices, you are supposed to buy something else. Another $20+.
You start living a dongle life and agree for a $10 dongle to always stick out of your pocket when you listen to music on the go. Easy to lose. Analog sound is converted into digital, and it sounds differently. When at home, you cannot charge your phone when listening to music (unless you buy yet another, more expensive dongle).
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No, the purchase was for the reason that my phone doesn't have a headphone jack, even though I could just have gotten an adapter instead. I obviously do not have the new iPad, it's impossible since it isn't out yet. My current iPad has a headphone jack. My phone is a Pixel and I still got the Airpods 2 since they are among the cheapest good quality bluetooth headphones currently on the market.
Your argument that people who really want to keep using wired headphones would purchase an adapter for the iPad doesn't work well, specifically for the iPad, because of the mentioned issues. The conclusion isn't that it's good to remove the headphone jack in its really broken state, Apple should instead fix their iPadOS volume issue and make the port work with high impedence headphones like on the Macbooks.
But instead of improving the port to work with a wider range of headphones, Apple decided to put zero effort into it and just remove it, then demand extra money for an adapter to restore this broken state. We know Apple can make a good quality headphone jack because they currently sell it with their Macbooks where I have no issues with any of my headphones.
And from that I conclude people who want to listen to music with high quality headphones won't get the adapter to begin with, and anyone else who doesn't care about wired headphones anyways will just get Airpods. iPhone users don't buy the adapter. Everbody either uses cheap Airpods or doesn't connect any headphones at all. Occasionally there will be people who have other bluetooth headphones, but it's just a matter of time before they die. They'll eventually try the Airpods and realize they're really decent. (They're still trash when the battery inevitably dies but at least they'll last a couple years.)
Exactly. The removal of the jack was a way to make wired headphone more inconvenient on mobile devices (a dongle is always more inconvenient despite what some here try very hard to deny and if you need to charge the phone at the same time you are out of luck and Apple does not even sell a double duty adapter).
But AirPods are a better solution than wired headphones in most cases (which are more inconvenient even with the jack, although cheaper).
My main phone is a Samsung and still has a jack (the S10 series was the last to have it) and despite that I use airpods 3 with it.
And all my laptops, desktops and tablets have each their own airpods or Samsung equivalent (I have tons of them, since I have tons of devices, just airpods I have 6) because again it's a superior solution.
The main situation where I use the jack is to play the piano since bluetooth has latency and also, to be honest, the quality of some high end Sennheiser is superior to airpods.
But that does not mean that the jack is irrelevant, it's something I do appreciate the few times I need it. And sometimes it has been a life saver.
All the excuses for the removal of the jack (takes space, battery, water resistance etc.) are just that, excuses. And some small phone manufacturer show it by making phones, including small ones lile the Zenfone 9, with a good battery, water resistance and a jack. But basically all the companies that sell wireless buds have removed it. It's basically become a selling argument for those small OEMs who don't sell earbuds. But the jack is here to stay for a very long time in laptops (except the stupid Microsoft that removed it from the Surface pro 9).
Ew Android, who’d want to use that pile of ****. iPads are 100x better than those.
if you care more about “getting value” just on retail price but fail to see the value in superior user experience, hardware, software, and longevity compared to those, I don’t know what to tell you.
Agree with everything you said. You also forgot: Europe gets inferior Exynos chipset for the same price.
I don’t know if this will hold true for this newer, more expensive, iPad, but the base model iPads were bought extensively by schools and businesses. For them the non-laminated screen is a feature as it dramatically reduces the cost of screen replacements.
For the average user I agree it is a disappointment. And since the previous gen iPad is still available for significantly less, I’m not sure which organizations will opt for the new model.
The new line-up is just confusing.
I doubt there’s much beef to the space inside the device theory. And all the other manufacturers are able to work with and incorporate USB-C quite easily.
AirPods were introduced at the same keynote as the iPhone 7 (1st jack-free phone).
AirPods - Wikipedia
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Exactly. What a coincidence. Totally accidentally we cut out the headphone jack and introduce a wireless accessory you might want to consider. But in the mind of exactly one person that’s not a strategic product launch…
AirPods were introduced at the same keynote as the iPhone 7 (1st jack-free phone).
AirPods - Wikipedia
And? Other wireless headphones already existed. Apple didn't invent wireless headphones. And they also provided customers with not only a pair of Lightning headphones, but also a Lighting to 3.5mm adapter in the box--sort of a dumb thing to do if your goal is to push AirPods, don't you think?
iPhone 7 Retail Packaging and What's Inside the Box
The iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus have been officially announced. So, let's get to the stuff that matters the most to a lot of people - the retail packaging and what comes inside the box.
wccftech.com
Just because two things happened at the same time doesn't mean they're related.
Read my reply to Annv above and explain to me the strategy of supposedly pushing wireless headphones whilst providing the customer with two ways to avoid buying wireless headphones 🤦🏼♂️
And since those alleged issues exist whether there's a 3.5mm jack or not, it has nothing to do with the removal of the 3.5 mm jack. You're bringing up an issue that has absolutely nothing to do with the point in contention (that point being that the removal of the jack was to promote the sale of AirPods).
Read my reply to Annv above and explain to me the strategy of supposedly pushing wireless headphones whilst providing the customer with two ways to avoid buying wireless headphones
In the famous words of another poster here: I don’t work on their team, etc Blabla. The fact that a stock traded company whose sole purpose is to create profits eliminate the ports and release the fitting solutions for their own actions simultaneously is no coincidence. The adapter was included for a year to save face is my guess. helps to soften the blow and can be used as an excuse by the internet’s typical Rene Ritchie type of shills.
This was absolutely planned. The removal of the port served zero purpose other than generate more profits.
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In the famous words of another poster here: I don’t work on their team, etc Blabla. The fact that a stock traded company whose sole purpose is to create profits eliminate the ports and release the fitting solutions for their own actions simultaneously is no coincidence. The adapter was included for a year to save face is my guess. helps to soften the blow and can be used as an excuse by the internet’s typical Rene Ritchie type of shills.
This was absolutely planned. The removal of the port served zero purpose other than generate more profits.
You mean releasing the fitting solutions of the adapter AND Lightning headphones in the box? Sorry, but your argument holds absolutely no water. They would absolutely NOT do that if they wanted to push people to buy AirPods. The "saving face" argument doesn't work, because in the process of "saving face" they would be compeltely cancelling out their efforts to push AirPods. Duh!
And with that, I'm done with this discussion. It's frustrating trying to have a rational discussion with people stubbornly promoting irrational theories.
At that point headsets used to be included as a market standard. Apple couldn’t include their old crappy 3.5mm headset that traditionally fell apart within a week, they made a brand new crap version of the EarPods. Hurray, a headset that could only be used on one proprietary port, what a win for the customer. Apple upsells from nothing today or crappy headsets back in the day to a better offering of theirs for at least two decades. They know very well how to market a “need” to their user base.
They do things for a profit, like a stock traded companies. That’s their core motivation, just like everyone else’s in the market.
I am loving my 9th gen iPad. so there still is a reason to have one. iPad is not as worthless now as alot of you are saying . It still has a purpose so enough said.
I think that’s spot on for plenty consumers. The iPad is the dominant tablet platform, and for good reasons. The fact that another product uses a similar chipset doesn’t change that.
