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Digitalguy

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OP clearly a samsung fan. Shame the S6 is worst in everyway hence why nobody is buying it. Of course a product that is better will cost more, get what you pay for.
Just your personal biased opinion. The fact that the S6 lite is worse in many ways (but not all, speakers for one) doesn't mean that nobody is buying it. It's one of the most sold Android tablet, also because it's cheaper and has a pen included. Tons of reviewers consider it one of the best value for money as a tablet with pen support.
I am much more of an iPad fan and would take the iPad 9 (or even 8) any day over the S6 lite 2022, but some people here are clearly biased and have little hands-on knowledge of current Samsung devices....
 
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darngooddesign

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Exactly. What a coincidence. Totally accidentally we cut out the headphone jack and introduce a wireless accessory you might want to consider. But in the mind of exactly one person that’s not a strategic product launch…
Im sure it wasn't a coincidence, but the iPhone 7 came with free Lightning EarPods so users were not forced to buy AirPods.
 

chevyboy60013

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Elimination of the headphone jack makes sense, any opening is a potential weak spot, and a place to allow debris intrusion or water intrusion. They should make a cover like thing for the usb c port as well, kinda like my drone has on all its ports. Only open and exposed when need be.
 

Abazigal

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I recently bought a Xiaomi tablet for my mom to use at home. First impression was that the app selection in the google play store didn't seem as good. There was this bubble shooter game in the iOS App Store. Pretty straightforward, with an option to skip ads for a one-time $2 fee. On android, I couldn't find the equivalent app, and the closest options came chock-full of ads and / or IAPs that were impossible to do away with.

To be fair, the specs and build quality seemed pretty good for the price. I passed the tablet to my dad. He seems to be having fun with it, though once in a while, I hear the sound of an in-app ad being played. In the end, I got her the 9th gen iPad.

I think that's the main difference between android tablets and the iPad. Android tablet OEMs know they can only compete on specs and price. If you are already using an iPhone, iPads make sense because you can share your app purchases. For starters, there are a number of iOS-only apps like Overcast, Apollo, Fantastical, Lumafusion, Tweetbot and Notability. Games like Slay the Spire came to iOS 2 years in advance before finally being ported to Android, and my understanding is that the android port is still pretty buggy.

As such, I don't see myself getting an android tablet in the near future because the advantages of Android don't really do much in helping me do more of what I want my devices to do.
 

ericwn

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Im sure it wasn't a coincidence, but the iPhone 7 came with free Lightning EarPods so users were not forced to buy AirPods.

True and nobody claimed anyone was forced. At the same time anyone who ever had a half decent set of headphones would likely have discarded EarPods right away, if they didn’t break earlier. Apple is a master of upselling headphones for decades, from the original in ears to the lanyard thingies to the beats fashion accessories these days and the AirPods family of products.
 
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Digitalguy

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Four years.

iPhone 7, 8, X, and XS all came with EarPods.
thanks for the info, I didn't know they kept them for so long... although to be honest they were pretty crappy and again did not solve the issue of charging the device and using them at the same time...
 

Atomic1977

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 has always been a good product but there has been alot of changes over the years. my iPhone 13 for example only had a cord and not the little brick that you put in the wall outlet.
 

Jackbequickly

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 has always been a good product but there has been alot of changes over the years. my iPhone 13 for example only had a cord and not the little brick that you put in the wall outlet.
“Little bricks” are not included with any iPhones in America any more. You only get the cord.
 

I7guy

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Neither of those are a good deal. The 9th gen iPad was the best deal, but at this point the Galaxy Tab S6 Lite is a better offer than it, unless you really hate Android for some reason. M1 Macbook Airs are cheaper than the 11 Pro.
I spent $1000 on an m1 iPad with the magic keyboard. Worth every penny. To each their own.
 

mi7chy

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Mine was collecting dust until TrollStore. Now it has freedom to run emulators that’s taken for granted on Android.

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darngooddesign

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True and nobody claimed anyone was forced. At the same time anyone who ever had a half decent set of headphones would likely have discarded EarPods right away, if they didn’t break earlier. Apple is a master of upselling headphones for decades, from the original in ears to the lanyard thingies to the beats fashion accessories these days and the AirPods family of products.

Totally accidentally we cut out the headphone jack and introduce a wireless accessory you might want to consider...
This implies that apple removed the headphone jack to pressure people towards AirPods (despite Lightning EarPods being included for four years until the iPhone 11).
 

ericwn

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This implies that apple removed the headphone jack to pressure people towards AirPods (despite Lightning EarPods being included for four years until the iPhone 11).

Yes. Call it “made aware by a marketing push” if the term suits you better. Any included earphones from pretty much any brand at the time we’re garbage to begin with and Apple has had a long upsell strategy for their higher end ears in place for ages starting with the original in ears for iPod, then adding the lanyard ones, adding the entire Beats fashion bling and then introducing the AirPods line of products. You may label the occurrence of the jack removal an accidental occurrence but I consider Apple clever enough to know when the right time to launch into wireless accessories was and how to best stimulate their buyers via marketing.
 
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okkibs

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Elimination of the headphone jack makes sense, any opening is a potential weak spot, and a place to allow debris intrusion or water intrusion.
The iPads are not water or dust resistant in any way. On the iPhones you can argue that since they are indeed water resistant it's easier to seal it reliably if it has less ports. There is no need to remove the port on the iPad as it isn't a weak spot to begin with. You know what is a weak spot though? Instead of having two connectors where you plug headphones and the charger in, now you have one port where you plug both in - thus the single port now gets way more plugging in/out cycles than if you could distribute that over two ports. That's a problem with USB-C especially since those ports absolutely do fail. Just ask owners of USB-C-only Macbooks where many had their ports fail prematurely. The reports are mostly for older 2016/2017 models, I can't say if that's because they are now so old that the ports start breaking or if those had a flawed design.

In any case, whatever "potential weak spot" you are talking about, if you submerge the iPad in water it's going to die whether it has a headphone jack or not. That makes no difference. And if you splash a bit of water on the display by accident, whether there is just a USB-C port or a headphone jack next to it won't make a difference either. If the water gets into the device with the USB-C port the iPad is dead as well.

This implies that apple removed the headphone jack to pressure people towards AirPods (despite Lightning EarPods being included for four years until the iPhone 11).
For the iPhones I can see the reasoning that it's easier to seal them more reliably with less ports, since these are water and dust resistant. It's still possible to make water resistant phones and equip them with a headphone jack, but still, at least there is a valid reasoning from a technical point of view. This does not apply to the iPad as it is not resistant to water or dust in any way.

The included headphones aren't a sign for anything. It was just normal back then to include headphones with smartphones. Nowadays phones no longer come with a charger either, but that isn't a sign that Apple wants to sell more chargers, it's just the industry standard changing.

Apple knows that if you buy an iPad today that doesn't have a headphone jack, naturally you will wonder what you need to do to get headphones working and how much it costs. And then you will find that the Airpods 2 are amongst the cheapest reliable bluetooth headphones and you're already standing in an Apple Store with the iPad box in your hand and the employee conveniently offers to add the Airpods to your purchase.

Apple doesn't need to pressure anyone to do anything, they have marketing for that and the fact that most of their products are actually very decent and mostly "it just works". So when Apple removes the headphone jack from the iPad it's a fact that it will increase Airpods sales, we all know they are the most popular bluetooth headphones in the world.

I myself bought Airpods despite using them mostly with my Pixel that doesn't have a headphone jack either, simply because the Airpods work better on an Android than any other bluetooth headphones for under 100 bucks. Good quality bluetooth headphones that are cheaper than the Airpods 2 just do not exist, I had such cheap ones from Shure and they died within a year and battery life was about 4 hours from the start. At least the Airpods live a good 2-3 years before the battery starts giving out.
 

chevyboy60013

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And if you noticed I said they should make a cover plug for the usb-c port as well, like all my none toy drones have. A little piece of rubber that closes the port when not used. Should have been doing that for the lightning connectors as well.
 
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