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Mac.World

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Jan 9, 2011
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I fail to see how it's getting old.

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It's funny because when I say something bad about Android I'm a monster and I'm "only making excuses", but when you guys say "iOS is getting boring and stale", it's no big deal.

I think people were expecting a new look to iOS at some point around iOS4. Def by iOS6. Instead, we have seen the exact same 4x4 (now 4x5) grid of icons, same shape, same look, same everything.

Here is the original iPhone from the first keynote showing iOS1.
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Here is the iPhone 4S, 5 years later, looking and feeling the exact same. You could easily mistake one for the other (except the 4S has a much higher pixel density).
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I just would have thought we would have seen something better looking by now, especially from a company like Apple.
 

tekno

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Oct 15, 2011
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Same old tired, stale, boring grid of square icons going on 6 years now. Enough already.

Yes yes yes, +1 etc etc.

People at Apple must use iPhones - why aren't they bored out of their mind of looking at all those tiles?
 

batting1000

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Sep 4, 2011
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I think people were expecting a new look to iOS at some point around iOS4. Def by iOS6. Instead, we have seen the exact same 4x4 (now 4x5) grid of icons, same shape, same look, same everything.

Here is the original iPhone from the first keynote showing iOS1.
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Here is the iPhone 4S, 5 years later, looking and feeling the exact same. You could easily mistake one for the other (except the 4S has a much higher pixel density).
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I just would have thought we would have seen something better looking by now, especially from a company like Apple.

Why fix something that isn't broken?

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Yes yes yes, +1 etc etc.

People at Apple must use iPhones - why aren't they bored out of their mind of looking at all those tiles?

They work at Apple because they want to and they like their products, they aren't working there against their own will.
 

NT1440

macrumors Pentium
May 18, 2008
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I just would have thought we would have seen something better looking by now, especially from a company like Apple.

So its the old, "I don't know how to improve it, but I'm getting tired of the same look" argument.

So on one side of the fence, Apple can't please the form over function crowd, and on the other they can't please the function over form crowd.

I wonder how big companies dont just end up with a healthy disdain for their customers. ;):rolleyes:
 

skidbubble

macrumors 6502
May 17, 2010
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Why fix something that isn't broken?

Because over the course of a products lifetime things evolve, that's why. Do you think a 2013 Corvette looks the same as a 1969 Corvette? No. Because time marches on. Which is why a 2013 iPhone should not look like a 2007 iPhone.
 

NT1440

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May 18, 2008
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Yep, thats what ALL wheels look like these days...lol

The point is that the design concept is exactly the same as it has been, regardless of the window dressing. There is no way you can compare that wheel and an ox cart wheel and consider them two different ideas.
 

Vegastouch

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Jul 12, 2008
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Why fix something that isn't broken?

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They work at Apple because they want to and they like their products, they aren't working there against their own will.

So what your saying is everyone working for Toyota, Ford or Honda all drive those cars?

That isnt close to being true. I bet not everyone has an iPhone there either...or a Mac.
I worked on Apples campus for year and its a nice place. I dont know how much they make but people working at Circle K and Walmart are there voluntarily as well.

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The point is that the design concept is exactly the same as it has been, regardless of the window dressing. There is no way you can compare that wheel and an ox cart wheel and consider them two different ideas.

The only thing the same about that wheel and the other one someone posted is that they are both round. The modern wheel has evolved so much more and are better. The round shape of the wheel has been taken to a whole different level. I mean way beyond what is was then. So yes, there is a difference.
 

NT1440

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May 18, 2008
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So what your saying is everyone working for Toyota, Ford or Honda all drive those cars?

That isnt close to being true. I bet not everyone has an iPhone there either...or a Mac.
I worked on Apples campus for year and its a nice place. I dont know how much they make but people working at Circle K and Walmart are there voluntarily as well.

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The only thing the same about that wheel and the other one someone posted is that they are both round. The modern wheel has evolved so much more and are better. The round shape of the wheel has been taken to a whole different level. I mean way beyond what is was then. So yes, there is a difference.

Its a continually curved surface that is by design incredibly stable, dispersing its load along various weight bearing spokes. Any alterations in that a purely spec changes, not design change.

Your talking about things that don't change the fact that they are both wheels.
 

Vegastouch

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Jul 12, 2008
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Its a continually curved surface that is by design incredibly stable, dispersing its load along various weight bearing spokes. Any alterations in that a purely spec changes, not design change.

Your talking about things that don't change the fact that they are both wheels.

So you would put those on your car? And if no, why not?
 

Mac.World

macrumors 68000
Jan 9, 2011
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Its a continually curved surface that is by design incredibly stable, dispersing its load along various weight bearing spokes. Any alterations in that a purely spec changes, not design change.

Your talking about things that don't change the fact that they are both wheels.

Actually, the 16th century wheel pictured above and one found on a modern Le Mans style bicycle, superbike motorcycle or a corvette have one similarity. They are round. A circle. If you want to transport something along the ground, this is the only efficient design. You are limited to this. But everything else is completely different, from look, material, weight, axel connection, etc...

Meanwhile, icons and software are not limited to one shape, color, look, etc... Big difference.
 

NT1440

macrumors Pentium
May 18, 2008
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So you would put those on your car? And if no, why not?

That wasn't the question. Is an ox cart wheel a wheel? yes. Is a performance sports car wheel a wheel? yes. Different applications, but they are both wheels.

Your question has nothing to do with my point. :confused:
 

skidbubble

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May 17, 2010
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Its a continually curved surface that is by design incredibly stable, dispersing its load along various weight bearing spokes. Any alterations in that a purely spec changes, not design change.

I beg to differ.
 

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NT1440

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May 18, 2008
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I beg to differ.

That doesn't have a continuous round surface..... (definitely cool though)

Anyone ever seen a tweel? That is a radical take on one, but at the end of the day it is a wheel.

Wheel: a circular object that revolves on an axle and is fixed below a vehicle or other object to enable it to move easily over the ground.
 

fox10078

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Nov 6, 2009
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Jesus this thread is ridiculous. I think fans on boths sides of the issue need a time out.
 

skidbubble

macrumors 6502
May 17, 2010
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That doesn't have a continuous round surface..... (definitely cool though)

I agree with you. The other guy claimed it was "continually curved" and I posted two pics showing otherwise.


Wheel: a circular object that revolves on an axle and is fixed below a vehicle or other object to enable it to move easily over the ground.

So in the course of this thread, the definition changed from "continually curved round surface" to just "circular object". Interesting.

To the OP: I apologize for the off-topic thread hi-jack.
 

NT1440

macrumors Pentium
May 18, 2008
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I agree with you. The other guy claimed it was "continually curved" and I posted two pics showing otherwise.




So in the course of this thread, the definition changed from "continually curved round surface" to just "circular object". Interesting.

To the OP: I apologize for the off-topic thread hi-jack.

:p

I was "the other guy". I wouldn't call that a wheel, though it is meant to serve the same purpose.

My definition was "continually curved round surface", the second was me being lazy and just directly copying from mountain lion's dictionary.

In regards to the thread hi-jacking, your rebellion has been duly noted and reported to the proper authorities, expect a knock at your door shortly ;)
 

Vegastouch

macrumors 603
Jul 12, 2008
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Not sure where I said they did...

Why fix something that isn't broken?
They work at Apple because they want to and they like their products, they aren't working there against their own will.

No, you didnt but you did say they worked there because they liked their products and they just want to work there which could be true, could not be true. Maybe they do want to work there but i dont know why you would say that is a fact. Maybe they do like their products, maybe not. You dont know how they feel. It is a job.

If Microsoft offered me a better deal to work for them, id leave Apple. In anycase, i would tend to disagree with your notion. I did work at the Apple campus for a year some time ago and it is no different than any other job. The food is pretty good there though :D
 
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Rennir

macrumors 6502
Jan 13, 2012
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The reason that Apple hasn't done a re-design is because they haven't innovated enough to warrant a redesign--either of the phone or of the UI. Plain and simple.
 

RMXO

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Sep 1, 2009
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The reason that Apple hasn't done a re-design is because they haven't innovated enough to warrant a redesign--either of the phone or of the UI. Plain and simple.

Or too busy spending resources suing everyone. True story. :D
 

batting1000

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Sep 4, 2011
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No, you didnt but you did say they worked there because they liked their products and they just want to work there which could be true, could not be true. Maybe they do want to work there but i dont know why you would say that is a fact. Maybe they do like their products, maybe not. You dont know how they feel. It is a job.

Yeah, but just because they like their products doesn't mean they own one (which is why I wasn't implying they actually own an Apple product), although it's likely because of the discounts employees get.

While it's always possible they don't like Apple's products, it's hard to be passionate about helping customers with them and selling Apple products when you aren't thrilled about them, even though it's a job. Also, I think working at a retail store is slightly different than working at the Campus.

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Or too busy spending resources suing everyone. True story. :D

Apple isn't the only company that sues other companies, they're just more talking about because of how popular they are. I'm pretty sure if someone created something you already patented, you'd be suing them too.
 

Mac.World

macrumors 68000
Jan 9, 2011
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In front of uranus
Yeah, but just because they like their products doesn't mean they own one (which is why I wasn't implying they actually own an Apple product), although it's likely because of the discounts employees get.

While it's always possible they don't like Apple's products, it's hard to be passionate about helping customers with them and selling Apple products when you aren't thrilled about them, even though it's a job. Also, I think working at a retail store is slightly different than working at the Campus.

Hell, if I could work on the campus, I would in a heartbeat! Having been to 1 Infinite Loop, it reminds me of a secret military campus with swipe cards and security guards. I wouldn't use an iphone though, because I prefer my S3. When it comes to computers and tablets though, I use and prefer Mac/iPad.

But just because I use a Samsung phone, I am still passionate about Apple products. In fact, I cringe every time I go into a Mac Superstore and hear what these Employees tell their customers! I hate when people are given bad info about Apple products, especially in a store dedicated to Apple!
 

nuckinfutz

macrumors 603
Jul 3, 2002
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If you think today's wheel remains unchanged from when it was introduced, you need to think again. Nice try.

LOL

You proved my point. Spokes and a center whole for the Axle. The wheel hasn't changed because it "works"


The point being it's hard to improve on the wheel because it's time tested. The iPhone UI is time tested. There really are few ways to make it more intuitive. Apple cannot help that people get bored and need more blinking lights and animations to distract them from their boring lives.
 
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