Other This is why I will not buy iPhone 12: OLED = PWM

[lillo9546]

I just hate how Apple is not understanding How serious is the argument here.
They still use OLED displays that use PWM to modulate brigtness, and so they flicker!
30/40% OLED Smartphone Owner's are claiming infact, eyestrain, headhace, nausea, dizziness, motion sickness, that is mainly caused by the screen flicker.
a DC dimmimg option, like on the android side, will not fix the problem!! Its just a fresh candy excuse to keep the consumer to buy the product!

LG has new OLED panels (on their TV lineup), that are called "Self Lit", and they claim that those panels, are not using any backlight, so there is any Flickering or PWM used.I do really hope to see a change in display technology on future Iphones.

I really hope Apple can see and hear this message, because it is not only me, but 30% of your customers having problems like this!
Imagine using a strobo flashing light, and point it to your eyes for 5h, or more, a day. How would you feel? Confused? You are okay. It is normal. We just need the right technology, and this PWM thing, on a Display, it is garbage!

Please Apple do not use any PWM or Flickering Display in the future! (not only for Iphones, both for Mac, Ipad, Macbook).
Written on my SE 1st gen

If you want a pwm free display on next Apple devices, like and comment this post, to make it notice!

 

[bsmr]

You don’t know if it will be pwm free or not.... let’s wait and see.

 

[johnyyz]

Here you go:

iPhone Xs PWM Demystified: How to Reduce Eyestrain by Disabling iPhone Xs and Xs Max Display Flicker

The iPhone Xs employs a revised version of the OLED panel we’ve seen in last year’s iPhone X. The iPhone Xs Max uses a larger, higher-resolution version of the panel. Both panels feature higher peak brightness compared to the OLED panel Apple used in the iPhone X. While OLED displays are thinner and

blog.elcomsoft.com

 

[1369281]

For anyone just learning about this, please see this post before you reply. @johnyyz, see #5 from that post.

Eye-strain while using iPhone X and up

with or without (reduce white point) feature ?

forums.macrumors.com

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Yes, it is unfortunate that Apple uses PWM in their phones now. I won't be able to buy them. Who would want to look at a screen that is constantly flickering at you (even though you may not be able to see it in real time, your body does).

The only hope is that Apple significantly raised the PWM frequency (doubtful) or have done away with PWM altogether (doubtful).

 

[now i see it]

Their OLED screens are garbage no matter how much they try to convince us otherwise.

 

[Chompineer]

I've literally never heard of this complaint. Have had OLED phones pretty much since Samsung first started making AMOLED.

 

[johnyyz]

For anyone just learning about this, please see this post before you make an uneducated reply like @johnyyz has here today. @johnyyz, see #5 from that post.

Eye-strain while using iPhone X and up

with or without (reduce white point) feature ?

forums.macrumors.com

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Yes, it is unfortunate that Apple uses PWM in their phones now. I won't be able to buy them. Who would want to look at a screen that is constantly flickering at you (even though you may not be able to see it in real time, your body does).

The only hope is that Apple significantly raised the PWM frequency (doubtful) or have done away with PWM altogether (doubtful).

Works for me. This was only a suggestion based off of something that DID work for me, and might work for others.

 

[dragonjinse]

I have the same problem with iphone X OLED screen as well. I used it for 10 mins and I developed a slight headache and dizziness.

 

[Apple_Robert]

You don’t know if it will be pwm free or not.... let’s wait and see.

You killed a rant with your logic. I hope you are happy.

 

[jm31828]

Here you go:

iPhone Xs PWM Demystified: How to Reduce Eyestrain by Disabling iPhone Xs and Xs Max Display Flicker

The iPhone Xs employs a revised version of the OLED panel we’ve seen in last year’s iPhone X. The iPhone Xs Max uses a larger, higher-resolution version of the panel. Both panels feature higher peak brightness compared to the OLED panel Apple used in the iPhone X. While OLED displays are thinner and

blog.elcomsoft.com

I tried this on my wife's XS Max, and it does not work. It does dim the screen while having it at 100% or near 100% brightness, but the PWM flicker is in fact present even up to 100%. You can see it when taking video of the display in slow mo from another iPhone, it really doesn't seem to flicker any less at 100% than it does below 50%.... which of course translates to continuing to get eye strain, headaches, etc. when using the device vs. using another with an LCD display.

 

[lillo9546]

You don’t know if it will be pwm free or not.... let’s wait and see.

It will use it

 

[iamthedudeman]

I just hate how Apple is not understanding How serious is the argument here.
They still use OLED displays that use PWM to modulate brigtness, and so they flicker!
30/40% OLED Smartphone Owner's are claiming infact, eyestrain, headhace, nausea, dizziness, motion sickness, that is mainly caused by the screen flicker.
a DC dimmimg option, like on the android side, will not fix the problem!! Its just a fresh candy excuse to keep the consumer to buy the product!

LG has new OLED panels (on their TV lineup), that are called "Self Lit", and they claim that those panels, are not using any backlight, so there is any Flickering or PWM used.I do really hope to see a change in display technology on future Iphones.

I really hope Apple can see and hear this message, because it is not only me, but 30% of your customers having problems like this!
Imagine using a strobo flashing light, and point it to your eyes for 5h, or more, a day. How would you feel? Confused? You are okay. It is normal. We just need the right technology, and this PWM thing, on a Display, it is garbage!

Please Apple do not use any PWM or Flickering Display in the future! (not only for Iphones, both for Mac, Ipad, Macbook).
Written on my SE 1st gen

If you want a pwm free display on next Apple devices, like and comment this post, to make it notice!

LG doesn't have new panels that don't use a back light as all OLED panels already have no back light. They never did use one. OLED panels are self illuminating as in they create their own light. All OLED panels are self lit. PWM has nothing to do with a backlight and everything to do with light modulation and brightness control.

Pulse-width modulation (PWM) in OLED displays | OLED-Info

Pulse-Width Modulation, or PWM, is one of the ways display makers can use to adjust the display's brightness. PWM is considered to be an easy (or cost-effective) way to control the brightness, but it has serious drawbacks, such as flicker that may cause eye strain and headaches. In this article...

www.oled-info.com

 

[Six0Four]

Some LCD's have PWM too.

 

[dan98]

Yes there many many LCD and LED screens using PWM too.
The original LCD use a more 'analogue' style flicker so it is never really a problem.
LED can definitely be a problem, but I don't believe any Iphones suffer with it.
It can easily be checked using a camera with a low shutter speed. (I use Camera+ app).

OLED = total PITA. They'll immediately lose 3 IP12 orders from me if there is PWM.

 

[CheesePuff]

It will use it

I like how you have ZERO proof yet are so confident - also I would like to see your source where 30-40% of smartphone users can not use the OLED display used in iPhones please.

 

[jm31828]

Some LCD's have PWM too.

Not the iPhone LCD's- Notebook check verified that.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I've literally never heard of this complaint. Have had OLED phones pretty much since Samsung first started making AMOLED.

Its been widely talked about on here and throughout tech forums since the release of the iPhone X. Unless you participate in this area then you wouldn't have heard of it, although I have seen articles in the national press concerning this too.

 

[Taco1933]

I’d say there’s an 87.5% chance you made up that statistic.

 

[Dejected]

Oled make me sick too
Hope they fixed it this year

 

[left shark fan]

Yeah I have to same issue unfortunately, really hoped the new iPhones wouldn't have PWM. They did mention something about a pixel technology in the keynote but can't remember what exactly. Pretty sure that doesn't affect the PWM issue though 😢

 

[now i see it]

It's the same flickering hell as last year, and the year before and the year before. The X marked the beginning of the end.

 

[TechLord]

30-40%? I thought it was around 10%?

 

[left shark fan]

30-40%? I thought it was around 10%?

Enough people to fix the problem I'd say.. this sucks.

 

[Jimmy James]

If the display still has pwm without a significant bump in frequency it’s a hard stop for me.

I love the SE but my eyes are gettting worse. XR is nice but huge. It seems to come down to that decision. At least they both come in 128GB and I’m left with an economical choice.

 

[orange23]

I'm holding on my iphone 11 now due to the LCD...I could pay the same money or extra 50 bucks for an iPhone 12 Pro with LCD screen if Apple give me the option.

We should together file law suits, short the stock and tank the stupid PWM capitalist destroyed millions of eyes rather protecting life!