I’m a typical use who encodes videos. If your use case is check Facebook and emails any old phone will work. But if you add to the mix using iMovie to encode videos the scenario of a typical users performance would be dramatically different.
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iPhone XS Max This is why the new iPhones are failing
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I doubt the average user will be doing a lot of video editing and encoding on their iPhone. And anyone who is serious about photo or video editing certainly wouldn't use an iPhone.
Post is a straw-man. You don’t know about the “average” user using iMovie or what “serious” people use as far as capture and editing.
My coworker was literally just telling me he got his son an xr because his sons 6s was getting long in the tooth.
I think if you’d visited Mac Rumours a few years ago the vast majority of people were iPhone enthusiasts willing to buy the latest and greatest. I’ve noticed a major shift here and among people I know where phones are kept longer and older devices are first choice over new. I think the industry is a bit stale and there is less reason to upgrade, especially as top end iPhones now exceed £1k. I used to enjoy upgrading and buzzing about the new iPhone but Apple and the technology plateau have sort of killed that off.
I’d say more members here are getting iPhone XR’s and holding onto older iPhones and enthusiasts like yourself are now a minority. The interest has dwindled I think.
Think you’re right
I buy the latest and greatest and enjoy doing so as I love new products but that’s my hobby if you would as I don’t go out loads or waste money elsewhere.
However my habits are not the norm.
XR is the best selling phone in the UK currently and in the US it seems from latest reports. It’s at the price point where it’s the price where a lot would happily upgrade and pay each year I would say.
It works well, is very smooth and the cameras are still good enough.
Using my 6s next to my XR, they are pretty similar in speed. The apps that most people use like messages, the keyboard loading, settings, phone app, App Store, mail, safari, YouTube, calendar etc...these all open almost identically. Also the point there, with the videos, was how the generation gap speed differences are not the same as they used to be. So for that category of person, it’s less enticing today to upgrade
Not the point of my post tho - point of the post was different people have different reasons for upgrading
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Agreed. Your needs would necessitate the fastest phone in that case, because an A12 will certainly process a 4K video faster than the A9 will, iOS 12 or not
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I'm still using a 6s. If the prices didn't go up exponentially every year I would still get excited and buy a new device every year like a lot of us used to do from the 3 to the 6. They've been gouging more and innovating less.
Well said. I’m transitioning to that end as well. This year I ended up with the XR, after owning the XS and XS max - and returned those. Just couldn’t justify it. And, primary device is the older X. I’m not quite there yet but I’m definitely not seeing the sense in my upgrade patterns given how minor upgrades are as you said. I did intend to mention in my post that enthusiasts are the minority, on fan forums like this and significantly more so in the general public.
PS see you’re a fellow LFC fan
hope we win it. It’s close.
In your post, you said that encoding video should be added to a typical user's use case. In reality, you can't say for sure how a "typical" or "average" user uses a smartphone, and neither can I, because everyone uses it differently. But we can certainly state our opinions, and on this we definitely disagree.
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Shooting video and encoding video are entirely different concepts. I can understand wanting a newer model iPhone for the camera as video is something the iPhone cameras have become quite good at. But when it comes time to edit and encode the video shot using the iPhone camera, I wouldn't be doing it on the iPhone. Instead, I'd be wanting a bigger screen (4K or better) and more powerful desktop-class hardware / software. And I'm sure most serious filmmakers would agree.
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Sure, you definitely did state an opinion, but if your opinion is "typical users" don't see the need for video editing (imovie or clips) or shooting 4k@60fps, than your view is an older phone is good enough for the average user. I'm a typical user who shoots 4k and uses imovie to make cute clips for the family so I use the horsepower in my max. But sure horses for courses as they say.
I have to ask, because your last sentence is rather vague, what do you expect the iPhone to innovate and introduce that you would consider ‘innovation’? It seems this obligatory statement gets said the “iPhone doesn’t innovate anymore”, so what was Face ID? Is that not considered ‘innovation’ with the latest form of biometric security with 3D facial mapping? When I read other members saying the iPhone ‘doesn’t innovate’, yet, you don’t post anything what you think the iPhone _should_ do to innovate, like what technology do you expect the iPhone to deliver?
I don't mean it anywhere close to that level of discussion. I just mean that for the price they charge, the new features that are introduced are not worth it compared to the prices they used to charge in the past. If for $1500 an XS could tie my shoes then yes I'll pay that higher amount. It's always relative, you might think the price is justified for what is offered and you wouldn't be alone. The phones do sell, just not as well as they used to.
That sentiment, expressed in this post, may be borne out for Samsung whose mobile business tanked. Sure there are those who are raving about the s10...
Step by step, oooh baby
Thanks for the chart.
Samsung and lg seem to have declined as well.
That’s a large drop for Samsung during the s10 launch, ouch.
Since apple only makes and sells premium phones, that’s actually not as bad as it seems on account of all the budget phones android oems flood the market with.
You know what's funny about this? The phone call quality of iPhones since the 6 series has been atrocious.
You may be getting a phone in theory w/ the latest Apple devices. Just don't use them as phones very often, and you'll be okay.
Funny never had any issue with call quailty with any of my iPhones....
Do not care what Warren thinks. I sell and rebuy my Apple stock all the time. I sold at $219 before the market dropped and repurchased at $178 and could not be more happy.
Apple is responsible for over 50% of my total IRA and I am I for ever grateful.
not according to the OP. there's no MAY, he says that is why, full stop
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certainly in Los Angeles etc there are plenty of folks that will pay for the status of having that model.
The resale value on these is kinda nice, but beyond that, if you don't need the space, shouldn't be using a 512GB. I'll have to admit how many I see "in the wild" surprises me. I think it just upped people's monthly from high $40s to low $70s so what's an extra $30? (Apple Upgrade Plan).