Indeed, I have some thoughts about that but that's more for PSRI territory than here.
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iPhone XS Max This is why the new iPhones are failing
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Fair enough. For me it’s based on my perceived value. I used to upgrade each year so I’m not bothered by cost per year. Just when people mention they’ll have a device for X amount of time I like to make the connection to cost per year. However, with these new models I just don’t think they’re worth it for me.
Don’t think they really want a cheap android, judging by their posts they really want an iPhone XS Max.
The real question is for how long can Apple keep raising the iPhone prices? I think this past holiday 2018 quarter was a warning shot to Apple regarding iPhone pricing. The recent deals in China also elude to this. The key part is when Apple introduces a new model and realizes a price drop is necessary at the retail stores ... what will occur to those that spent more for the previous model and an uprising of sorts occurs?
When courts of antitrust begin looking at customers requests to have alternatives to using Apple's services and yet cannot ... Apple's revenues could be hurt.
iCloud for iPhone backup and restore (I've read a handful on these boards have an alternative solution, yet I'm not fully aware how that works in real world use).
iCloud storage alternative .. > iOS 12 seems to have broken for Mega.nz within Files app integration (maybe just the vendor at issue here.). I'm there there are others but I'm not complaining.
I think his point is ... Apple, and Cook especially keeps mentioning that their products are to help "everyone" I'm vaguely paraphrasing this song/dance here ... yet everyone today still cannot afford to just go out on any day of the month and spend $1400-1600CAN or $999-1399US on an iPhone without every thinking it was a bad choice to spend that much money, or think they have to return for a refund or sell it over the course of 12months.
As an alternative our op can invest such funds be smart with budgeting and not use the funds elsewhere like cigarettes or coffee addiction daily.
Then don’t buy it.
Do you really need a high capacity Max?
You think the Xs Max is only a little better than a 6S Plus?
Is it expensive? Yes.
Does everyone need it? No.
You have two threads complaining about the same issue. Just buy what you want, be happy, and move on.
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This is true but they just want to complain about the price. She has two threads on this.
If the Xs Max is too expensive she could get the Galaxy S10+ and save a little. Don’t know if she’s invested in the Apple ecosystem.
It’s funny she wants the Max though, because in the other thread she says other people having them is just for the "Cadillac" factor.
Apple's older iPhones are the only good value right now to be perfectly honest, which is why it's no wonder that more and more people are passing on Apple's flagship and getting an iPhone 7 or 8 instead.
As much as I'd like an OLED screen, it's not worth spending upward of $1,100 on a new iPhone when my current model (6s Plus) retailed for $250 less when new three and a half years ago, and still meets my needs just fine even today.
As much as I'd like an OLED screen, it's not worth spending upward of $1,100 on a new iPhone when my current model (6s Plus) retailed for $250 less when new three and a half years ago, and still meets my needs just fine even today.
Does seem like they just want to complain for the sake of complaining.
You may have decided the XS Max isn’t worth the price tag but that’s your decision based on your circumstances. Other peoples’ motives will be different and it’s a bit shallow and judgemental to assume people only bought the XS Max to flaunt their wealth. I can guarantee that 99.9% of these XS Max users are just our there using their phones without thinking that anybody else cares what phone they have.
Orp just buy the XR which is nearly £400 cheaper and has little difference. What a lot of people overlook is the OS. It’s not as easy as just ‘buying an Android’ if they use iOS and are invested in it. The XS Max is very expensive and overpriced in my opinion, but there are other options and probably the reason the XR is currently so popular whereas the Max is less desirable to the mainstream buyer.
People own the XS Max so it gives the perception they own a cheaply put together and unreliable American car?
Only kidding, the Cadillacs that were sold in Europe were dreadful which is why they are rarer than rocking horse poo nowadays lol.
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OS is massive for most. I love what android brings but I can’t use it as my daily driver. IOS works too well
People own the XS Max so it gives the perception they own a cheaply put together and unreliable American car?
Only kidding, the Cadillacs that were sold in Europe were dreadful which is why they are rarer than rocking horse poo nowadays lol.
Yeah, as I wrote that I was smirking. Caddy’s are nothing special today.
Agreed. The decision to buy a particular phone/car/computer/etc. is highly subjective.
All the while employers aren't even thinking about keeping pace with pay. Like WTF!!!
How can I stimulate the economy, if I can't afford the products.
In the least, Apple will offer new trade-in policies for their phones, and I expect that actually to take a decent portion of the keynote this fall, being I know they want to re-strategize how to bring the customer in the store, and persuade them to upgrade.
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I think it’s shallow to think that about someone who purchased the XS Max and even the XS. People have their own reasons for why they purchased these devices. You have 2 threads complaining about last year’s iPhone prices, so I don’t know what you’re getting at still complaining.
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It's pretty evident from the rest of my post, the cost cutting in China, the increased trade in values, etc. Also, the omission from Apple on reporting sales of iphones.
Some people value having the latest phone, latest cameras (legitimate reason to upgrade imo), latest specs outside of speed and processing power
Most people on this site are phone enthusiasts and upgrading annually or even every two years is normal for us. Crave that new design or every iterative upgrade, big or small. Will sell the old phone to pay for the new one or justify that annual fee/contract renewal to upgrade. I'm more in this category myself haha. (You're probably not in this category if you think its ridiculous to spend all that $$$ year after year on a phone despite recycling the old phone towards this new one)
Other people are motivated by speed differences...not "15% faster" but "my old one is so slow now its painful to send texts"
We can see why this group might have a hard time justifying the newer iPhones over their old ones...one of my best friends who is a super whiz with computers and tech geek continues to use his 6s and absolutely loves it. It's plenty fast for him - he's right.
4 generations apart yet almost identical in speed for a typical user's daily use.
Compare these to the previous 4 generations (tough to find a 6s vs 5 comparison but note the A6 vs A9 with the 5 vs SE):
The speed difference from A9 -> A12 is much less than what that 4 generation gap used to be. I could show an iPhone 4 vs 5s video too but that is even more stark. Apple is so good at these chips that they will start lasting longer than ever. They promised as much when the A7 was announced. For those people, their 6s or 7 is perfectly fine and useable today and im sure we know a few of those people
Others yet simply purchase an item and use it till it stops working. My mom and both my sisters fall into this category. They could care less about their phones having speed and cameras.
Some of us on this site fall into one of those three categories or we know someone who does. Most of us seem to be in the first two, less of us in the third. Nothing wrong with any of them. We can all debate and discuss and say which way is best or when to upgrade but the truth is, if someone wants to upgrade they will. If someone wants to keep their older phone, they will.
(PS i am sure there are other categories we could create, but i would argue they all overlap with one of these 3 in some regard...upgrade every year or two, upgrade when the phone they use becomes unbearably slow for them, or use it until it stops working - no matter if it gets slow or not)
(PPS I also think that whether or not one can afford it, plays less a role than one may think....I know people who could easily afford every new colour of every new iPhone and every new Apple product that comes out with each upgrade without thought, but fall into the "use it till it breaks" category. One of those individuals who comes to mind is still using a 2010 or 2011 MBP, and was using an iPhone 4 until it broke and reluctantly upgraded to a 7 right as the 8/X were around the corner)
Most people on this site are phone enthusiasts and upgrading annually or even every two years is normal for us. Crave that new design or every iterative upgrade, big or small. Will sell the old phone to pay for the new one or justify that annual fee/contract renewal to upgrade. I'm more in this category myself haha. (You're probably not in this category if you think its ridiculous to spend all that $$$ year after year on a phone despite recycling the old phone towards this new one)
Other people are motivated by speed differences...not "15% faster" but "my old one is so slow now its painful to send texts"
We can see why this group might have a hard time justifying the newer iPhones over their old ones...one of my best friends who is a super whiz with computers and tech geek continues to use his 6s and absolutely loves it. It's plenty fast for him - he's right.
4 generations apart yet almost identical in speed for a typical user's daily use.
Compare these to the previous 4 generations (tough to find a 6s vs 5 comparison but note the A6 vs A9 with the 5 vs SE):
The speed difference from A9 -> A12 is much less than what that 4 generation gap used to be. I could show an iPhone 4 vs 5s video too but that is even more stark. Apple is so good at these chips that they will start lasting longer than ever. They promised as much when the A7 was announced. For those people, their 6s or 7 is perfectly fine and useable today and im sure we know a few of those people
Others yet simply purchase an item and use it till it stops working. My mom and both my sisters fall into this category. They could care less about their phones having speed and cameras.
Some of us on this site fall into one of those three categories or we know someone who does. Most of us seem to be in the first two, less of us in the third. Nothing wrong with any of them. We can all debate and discuss and say which way is best or when to upgrade but the truth is, if someone wants to upgrade they will. If someone wants to keep their older phone, they will.
(PS i am sure there are other categories we could create, but i would argue they all overlap with one of these 3 in some regard...upgrade every year or two, upgrade when the phone they use becomes unbearably slow for them, or use it until it stops working - no matter if it gets slow or not)
(PPS I also think that whether or not one can afford it, plays less a role than one may think....I know people who could easily afford every new colour of every new iPhone and every new Apple product that comes out with each upgrade without thought, but fall into the "use it till it breaks" category. One of those individuals who comes to mind is still using a 2010 or 2011 MBP, and was using an iPhone 4 until it broke and reluctantly upgraded to a 7 right as the 8/X were around the corner)
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Out of fairness to that member, you also said this in your post:
When has Apple ever lowered the price of new iPhones mid launch/quarter? Apple traditionally has always slashed prices on their phones during the fall Keynote with the announcement of the latest iPhone models launching. It’s not like they used to ‘cut prices their iPhones in the middle of the year’, that’s just not how Apple has always been.
More so, I don’t think cutting the price of an iPhone by $100 is necessarily the answer, when their goal is to entice consumers to want to upgrade their devices by trading in their older device, which Tim Cook already commented on they need to focus on store services/trade-ins, so I expect some announcement on the fall on this.
Yeeaahhh...wiz, geek, etc., etc.
I went from a 6S Plus (great phone) to a Max. Very noticeable speed difference, and of course all the other betterment’s.
These types of comparison videos simply do not reflect real world usage.
Upgrading yearly has been the way to go / most cost effective for me for several years. I expect to get $600-650 for my 64gb XS that will still be in mint condition come September. Anything more will be gravy. Around this time of year I pay attention to business credit card rewards and stop redeeming them. I like to apply that toward the next iPhone purchase. My XS cost me $0 out of pocket last year when I combined rewards cash + iPhone X sale proceeds.
You're missing the point here. If someone remains happy with how their 6s Plus performs in day-to-day use, they may not know (or care) if there is a slight speed improvement on the Xs Max.
You're correct, they did not lower the price in the US, they increased the trade in value, to drive people to get the newer iphones. They cut the prices though in China. It's pretty clear that the new iphones are not selling like years past. It is what it is. And I own a Xs Max.