Other Throttling iphones; battery life vs performance

[Galacticos]

I've just bought a brand new iphone7plus, is it gonna effect it?

Yes
[doublepost=1513863208][/doublepost]Got strong sounding opinions here (which, agree or not, makes the thread lively), but I do agree that Apple should not be allowed to advertise a certain performance and then intentionally reduce it. Wear and tear is one thing, this is another.

It’s kind of like Apple saying photos are out of fashion, so now all you can do on the camera is video. Even if the phones shutdown, give us the choice.
There is a reason they don’t give us the choice

 

[whooleytoo]

IMO it's gross misconduct by Apple to do this and not tell anyone.

I'm not saying there isn't any valid reason for Apple to do this, but they must realise there's a massive, nefarious reason for slowing old devices as well. They had to disclose they were doing this, and ideally give users the option to disable it.

By doing this and keeping it a secret, they've lost all benefit of the doubt.

 

[dypeterc]

Transparency and communication is key for Apple to resolve this performance/battery issue. It’d be nice for Apple to include a battery condition status in settings. It could also suggest that the battery is degraded enough to get it replaced.

 

[Hans300]

Now its official what everybody knew.

They slow down old devices to sell more newer ones.

They really messed up with their customers.
Give them free batterys, you have more money you can ever spend.

 

[C DM]

It’s not going to be fixed. Apple slowing down the older phones is not news. It’s done to force people to upgrade.

Except this is all something that just started happening this year so conspiracies from way before about that kind of thing couldn't have actually included this.
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Now its official what everybody knew.

They slow down old devices to sell more newer ones.

They really messed up with their customers.
Give them free batterys, you have more money you can ever spend.

Doesn't seem like there's anything official as to it being done simply to sell more new devices.

 

[Galacticos]

c dm, sometimes I think you work for Apple. Part of me admires your faith but you seem to trust them totally, no questions asked.

I’m not trying to be rude, so please don’t take offence, but why do you trust them so much?

 

[C DM]

c dm, sometimes I think you work for Apple. You seem to trust them totally, no questions asked.

I’m not trying to be rude, so please don’t take offence, but why do you trust them so much?

Being pragmatic and going off of existing information and basically referring to things as they are isn't what you are describing it all as. There aren't just two camps of out there of simply bashing or defending, or trusting or mistrusting, there's quite a range in-between.

It's also interesting that in many instances I ask a lot of questions, yet to fit a narrative of some sort somehow suddenly no questions are ever asked. Why do people concentrate so much on what they think about others rather than the actual topics?

 

[Paddle1]

Since this issue seemed to arise last year, and based off the way they've targeted specific devices it seems like it's hardware related. If that's the case then potentially the 8 and X shouldn't need this.

I'm also seeing several people online say they'll no longer be buying iPhones due to this. Bad PR.

And I don't understand Apple saying they'll be adding this to more devices in the future, ideally wouldn't such a feature be unneeded/unwanted as it has been in the past? It seems to be a hardware related issue after all.

 

[MatteoV]

@Galacticos I can't decide between the two options (A=Reduce performance or B=Optimize for performance even as capacity declines) because I prefer much more to be able to choose between A or B according to my needs (sometimes I want a fast device, sometimes I want a slow device with a very low power consumption mode, so I want an iPhone that allows me to choose sometimes A, sometimes B, then again A, ...).

The strong choice of a company like Apple (and others) is to develop Operating Systems that allows user to decide how many resources to use with his phone.

The possibility of choosing between speed or energy saving is essential today and it is essential to choose A or B depending on the user needs.

Cheers

 

[Radon87000]

Except this is all something that just started happening this year so conspiracies from way before about that kind of thing couldn't have actually included this.
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Doesn't seem like there's anything official as to it being done simply to sell more new devices.

It’s not longer a conspiracy or a theory. It’s now a fact established by Apple themselves. Apple has admitted its slowing down older phones on purpose. We were always saying Apple was intentionally slowing them down. This news just confirms the battery wear Level is the trigger to slow it down.

 

[Galacticos]

Being pragmatic and going off of existing information and basically referring to things as they are isn't what you are describing it all as. There aren't just two camps of out there of simply bashing or defending, or trusting or mistrusting, there's quite a range in-between.

It's also interesting that in many instances I ask a lot of questions, yet to fit a narrative of some sort somehow suddenly no questions are ever asked. Why do people concentrate so much on what they think about others rather than the actual topics?

I’m sorry if I have offended you. I didn’t mean to.
I am not trying to focus on you personally or anything. I just get the impression you are very trusting of apple’s press releases etc and was wondering why.

I was only joking about the working for Apple

 

[Paddle1]

It’s not longer a conspiracy or a theory. It’s now a fact established by Apple themselves. Apple has admitted its slowing down older phones. We were always saying Apple was intentionally slowing them down. This news just confirms the battery wear Level is the trigger to slow it down.

Apple has confirmed they deliberately slow down iPhones. But they didn't confirm any malicious intent (in fact they stated the opposite) which is what I think C DM is getting at.

 

[Galacticos]

Apple has confirmed they deliberately slow down iPhones. But they didn't confirm any malicious intent which is what I think CD M is getting at.

Of course, they wouldn’t announce malicious intent.

 

[C DM]

It’s not longer a conspiracy or a theory. It’s now a fact established by Apple themselves. Apple has admitted its slowing down older phones on purpose. We were always saying Apple was intentionally slowing them down. This news just confirms the battery wear Level is the trigger to slow it down.

The stated purpose isn't what you are saying it is. The previous statements couldn't be about this as this wasn't around until this year. Now, it's certainly possible they were doing it for other reasons beyond what was stated and/or that that kind of thing was happening before, but that part of it isn't something that was stated or confirmed.

 

[Hans300]

No, it sounds like an excuse.

Obviously there where no shutting down issues with iOS 10. So why with iOS 11?

Why should they slow down ALL iPhones just because a few have problems?

As i already said they should have made battery replacement service for the concerning devices.

Apple knew they got caught at planned obsolescene - just read the threads here. So they needed an excuse.

In long terms planned obsolescene is always bad for a company.

 

[C DM]

Of course, they wouldn’t announce malicious intent.

So starting that they did wouldn't be true then.

 

[Radon87000]

Apple has confirmed they deliberately slow down iPhones. But they didn't confirm any malicious intent (in fact they stated the opposite) which is what I think CD M is getting at.

Their job is to state this fact in the most pleasant manner possible with the classic Apple you are using it wrong or the bug is a feature . You aren't seriously expecting them to outright say they are maliciously doing it. Read between the lines and see at what time the throttling is introducedon former flagships. That says it all

 

[C DM]

I’m sorry if I have offended you. I didn’t mean to.
I am not trying to focus on you personally or anything. I just get the impression you are very trusting of apple’s press releases etc and was wondering why.

I was only joking about the working for Apple

It's not about trusting or mistrusting it's about referring to what is known and what isn't as it is. They could very well be doing something else and there could very well be more to it, but it doesn't mean that all that is therefore actually been stated and is a given.

 

[Radon87000]

No, it sounds like an excuse.

Obviously there where no shutting down issues with iOS 10. So why with iOS 11?

Why should they slow down ALL iPhones just because a few have problems?

As i already said they should have made battery replacement service for the concerning devices.

Apple knew they got caught at planned obsolescene - just read the threads here. So they needed an excuse.

In long terms planned obsolescene is always bad for a company.

Important point to note. The only unthrottled iPhones which currently exist are the newest iphones X and 8. What does this suggest?

 

[Hans300]

It suggests what everybody knew but was called a „conspiracy theory“... now its a fact.

In youtube videos you could see that devices are getting slower with every new major-iOS.

With iOS 11 it was too obvious, so they needed an excuse to limitate PR damage.

 

[C DM]

Their job is to state this fact in the most pleasant manner possible with the classic Apple you are using it wrong or the bug is a feature . You aren't seriously expecting them to outright say they are maliciously doing it. Read between the lines and see at what time the throttling is introducedon former flagships. That says it all

So basically that aspect of it is not just something that's a given or is a fact.

 

[Paddle1]

Of course, they wouldn’t announce malicious intent.

Their job is to state this fact in the most pleasant manner possible with the classic Apple you are using it wrong or the bug is a feature . You aren't seriously expecting them to outright say they are maliciously doing it. Read between the lines and see at what time the throttling is introducedon former flagships. That says it all

No and I don't expect that. I'm simply relaying Apple's stance. Believing it or not is another matter.

 

[Radon87000]

This cements my conclusion that even the iPhone 7 delay is intentional. Done to market the X.
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So basically that aspect of it is not just something that's a given or is a fact.

Did they or did they not announce they are slowing down older phones on purpose? A slower phone means a greater likelihood of buying a newer device. I really shouldn't have to speak common sense.

 

[C DM]

It suggests what everybody knew but was called a „conspiracy theory“... now its a fact.

In youtube videos you could see that devices are getting slower with every new major-iOS.

With iOS 11 it was too obvious, so they needed an excuse to limitate PR damage.

Suggests would be fitting.

(These changes aren't associated with major new versions as they have taken place with smaller updates.)

 

[imagineadam]

From the techcrunch article:

"As that battery ages, iOS will check its responsiveness and effectiveness actively. At a point when it becomes unable to give the processor all the power it needs to hit a peakof power, the requests will be spread out over a few cycles.


Remember, benchmarks, which are artificial tests of a system’s performance levels, will look like peaks and valleys to the system, which will then trigger this effect. In other words, you’re always going to be triggering this when you run a benchmark, but you definitely will not always trigger this effect when you’re using your iPhone like normal.

Apple will continue to add this smoothing to more devices over time to avoid shutdown issues, freezing and other problems."

Ok so something that would be nice (that we won't ever get) would be some sort of notification of when iOS has hit that point where it determines when a battery is starting to crap out and the throttling begins.

As for it not always triggering the effect it just seems untrue since many are reporting the iPhones clock speed always reporting a lower frequency when the phone is at idle. My launch day iPhone 7 on 10.3.3 always is up at about 2333mhz even when the phone is idling. Seems people are reporting there iPhone 7's on iOS 11.2 are idling at a much lower frequency. So looks like the throttling is in fact happening more often and it's not only caused by only high loads such as a Geekbench test.

It seems like they are making it more aggressive as time goes on slowing down the phones even more to avoid the shutdowns.

Like I said in another thread, I'm glad I'm on 10.3.3 and at least I'll know why and when my battery is starting to crap out when the "unexpected" shutdowns begin on my phone since I have no throttling instead of it just becoming slower and slower.