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would you prefer apple..

  • Reduce performance to increase battery life

    Votes: 31 25.8%
  • Optimise for performance even as battery capacity declines

    Votes: 89 74.2%

  • Total voters
    120
Important point to note. The only unthrottled iPhones which currently exist are the newest iphones X and 8. What does this suggest?
I guess it could suggest that the 8 and X haven't been around long enough for their batteries to develop problems. Could also suggest that Apple had 3 model years to figure out the problem and buy batteries that can handle voltage fluctuations. Maybe, Apple used those 3 model years to develop the A11 to not spike the voltage in such a way that causes shutdowns.

The main thing is that we don't know everything that Apple knows. It's a given that they know more than they've made public.

With the backlash that's out there, I would expect that if the 8 and X have the same shutdown issues as previous iPhones, Apple will probably solve the problem differently.
 
I guess it could suggest that the 8 and X haven't been around long enough for their batteries to develop problems. Could also suggest that Apple had 3 model years to figure out the problem and buy batteries that can handle voltage fluctuations. Maybe, Apple used those 3 model years to develop the A11 to not spike the voltage in such a way that causes shutdowns.

The main thing is that we don't know everything that Apple knows. It's a given that they know more than they've made public.

With the backlash that's out there, I would expect that if the 8 and X have the same shutdown issues as previous iPhones, Apple will probably solve the problem differently.
Apple has already confirmed the throttling is coming to iPhone X and 8 soon which I believe will be around the time X Plus and X 2018 launch.
 
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I don't understand this "poll" at all. What's the point of it? Why should it even be a choice?

Battery degrades. This has been true since the invention of batteries, and when it does, the user can either choose to replace the battery, or live with needing to charge their phones more often. No one is angry about dying batteries.

What happened here is Apple had been caught reducing the performance of their devices without the users knowing, then coming up with a laughably stupid excuse claiming it's to "prolong a device's life". How about letting its customers know when the batteries in their phones need to be replaced?

The irony in all of this: if iOS 11 hadn't been so ridiculously bad performance wise, nobody would've went looking for every which possible way to test their phones. So let's all give our gratitude to the wonderful software engineers at Apple who released iOS11 upon us. Truly the heroes we need!
 
No wonder when they are already working on the next major iOS instead of getting iOS 11 fixed.

Guess we will have the same bugs in iOS 12.0 that have been already fixed in 11.2 and 11.3
 
Whatever reason Apple had, to implement throttling of phones, they have an obligation to inform people of what they are doing.

The fact that they didn’t, speaks volumes of where Apple as a company is right now.

I have been and Apple fan for a long time, however lately they are making it very difficult for me to recommend their products, as I use to in the past.

It is a real shame that they are resorting to such underhanded tactics. They are completely unnecessary and only accomplish the tarnishing of their reputation.

Something as simple as a warning message and maybe a toggle to enable/disable this “feature” would have been the right thing to do.

Apple needs new leadership, people who are truly passionate about their products. Caring about quality and their customers experience doesn’t automatically mean they would stop being profitable.

All companies exist to make money, Apple’s reputation has been sinónimos with quality... and at the moment they are slowly drifting away from what made them a successful company and they are starting to resemble ambulance chasing lawyers.

It is a real shame and I hope that they find their way back to greatness.
 
Now the PR-desaster and sheetstorm is here, at least in germany.

I have always said that slowing down old devices and planned obsolescence is a very bad idea in long terms.

And exactly that was what they were doing with new major iOS releases. Just watch the youtube speed-comparison videos.

Why are they doing this? They already have more money than they can ever spend. You just can't sell more and more phones every year, the peak is already over and thats ok.

This happens when you want more and more money all the time until everything breaks down.
iPhones getting more and more expensive every year - WTF?

Just look at volkswagen, exactly same story.

I think Tim Cook should leave, he is done.
 
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I’m sorry if I have offended you. I didn’t mean to.
I am not trying to focus on you personally or anything. I just get the impression you are very trusting of apple’s press releases etc and was wondering why.

I'm obviously not him, but I've seen his posts for years. Occasionally I'm wondering what he's smoking to be honest. But the vast majority of the time I find him FAR more level headed than most around here. He doesn't jump to conclusions, he doesn't assume the worst, he doesn't get swept up in hysteria. He strikes me as someone who is quite reasonable, but demands hard evidence for wild claims. He takes a more scientific approach. I've never gotten the impression that he has a particular agenda beyond calling a spade a spade (with appropriate proof of course). He also seems to use a little common sense, which seems to be sorely lacking around here. He stands out to me. But only because I find him to be one of the few regulars around here that isn't an idiot. This whole concept of "planned obsolescence" for example. It really doesn't make a lot of sense. Yet there's no shortage of people around here ready to buy into it without any hard evidence, even when it defies reason. Still, I have no doubt that if it were proven as fact, he would accept it and adjust his point of view. I suspect he would even own up to be wrong.

For my own opinions, this is a real problem. Is it malicious? I don't think so, but I'm willing to listen to any valid arguments you might have. But like him, show me evidence, not conjecture. And like him, I understand the difference between the two. It's clear from reading these forums that a lot of people don't seem to get the difference there. Too many people around here think correlation = causation. He doesn't. That alone gets my respect.

So there's another point of view for you to ponder.
 
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Doing it they way they do it now, by throttling and not telling anyone, casts doubt across all Apple product lines. Is my macbook pro slow because it's old (outdated), needs a new battery, or because I'm pushing it too hard? Beats me, but now it's making me wonder...

Very easy to see if your MacBook is being throttled. Install the original OS it shipped with and plug it in. New OS versions perform best on newer hardware and are more resource intensive as new features are added. Newer hardware is faster. It's always been like this. There has always been the trade off of getting a shiny new OS with new features running slower than the original OS without the new stuff.
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So my question is this. Does this only affect devices that upgrade to newer iOS on an older device or the same iOS as it came with?

The original OS will always perform better since it was designed with that hardware in mind. People can't expect an old iPhone 5s (A7) from 2013 to run iOS 11 as well as an iPhone 7 Plus (A10 w/ 3GB Ram) and the newer 8 and X which came with iOS 11. Does Windows 7 run well on XP era hardware? Does Windows 10 perform well on Windows 7 era hardware?

What we know is that Apple is throttling CPU speed on iOS 10 and later when the battery no longer has its full capacity. The simple fix is to check how much mAh your battery has and if it's depleted, replace the battery. This can be done by yourself. It's not like repairing and soldering components on a motherboard. It just involves removing about a dozen screws and disconnecting about 5 cables. Really not hard.
 
Since you asked

Does Windows 7 run well on XP era hardware?[/QUOTE]

could'nt say

[/QUOTE] Does Windows 10 perform well on Windows 7 era hardware?[/QUOTE]

with a 2011 i7-2600 and a 2009 intel xm-25 ssd, Yes it does.
 
I'm obviously not him, but I've seen his posts for years. Occasionally I'm wondering what he's smoking to be honest. But the vast majority of the time I find him FAR more level headed than most around here. He doesn't jump to conclusions, he doesn't assume the worst, he doesn't get swept up in hysteria. He strikes me as someone who is quite reasonable, but demands hard evidence for wild claims. He takes a more scientific approach. I've never gotten the impression that he has a particular agenda beyond calling a spade a spade (with appropriate proof of course). He also seems to use a little common sense, which seems to be sorely lacking around here. He stands out to me. But only because I find him to be one of the few regulars around here that isn't an idiot. This whole concept of "planned obsolescence" for example. It really doesn't make a lot of sense. Yet there's no shortage of people around here ready to buy into it without any hard evidence, even when it defies reason. Still, I have no doubt that if it were proven as fact, he would accept it and adjust his point of view. I suspect he would even own up to be wrong.

For my own opinions, this is a real problem. Is it malicious? I don't think so, but I'm willing to listen to any valid arguments you might have. But like him, show me evidence, not conjecture. And like him, I understand the difference between the two. It's clear from reading these forums that a lot of people don't seem to get the difference there. Too many people around here think correlation = causation. He doesn't. That alone gets my respect.

So there's another point of view for you to ponder.

I appreciate your perspective, sincerely. And I largely agree.

I couldn’t name the last company that had hard evidence for planned obselecence exposed (let alone revealed it itself), but that of course doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.

As such, I’ve never said Apple are definitely 100% doing this, but I think the odds are stacking in favour of it and only some Apple employees would ever get the hard evidence if it were available.

Computers (phones, MacBooks, watches) aren’t future proofed by increasing or protecting their battery capacity. They are by having higher performance. I have a 2011 17’ MacBook Pro, and it still performs great. The battery isn’t what it was but I can replace it easily. If Apple want consumers getting the most out of their devices why did they seal the back of laptops? They couldn’t design something similar with screws? It’s just not likely at all, so what is the motivation? When the ram and battery are no longer adequate you buy again. This isn’t an accident.

Don’t look at what they say, look at what they do. Tim Cook is trying to convince the world that iPads pros are somehow better than laptops.. and he wants to see laptops go the way of the dodo. Now is this because he hates laptops, or because the lifecycle of an iPad Pro is far shorter than a MacBook Pro. They’re half the price, but offer a quarter of the life. Apple don’t lose money on laptops, they’re what many customers want which is apparently what apple are about, so his agenda needs explaining.

I’m not claiming to have company minutes outlining planned obselecence and these and many other points that others have raised aren’t slam the door shut evidence, but they are factors that nudge the likelihood of this that bit higher each time.
 
Another reason why they did this could be because iOS 11 needs more battery in general.

This time they really ****ed up. No christmas holidays for the software engineers this year i guess.
 
You mean like offering more granular controls for Low Power Mode?

Yeah, I think something like this would work for those who want more control over what is throttled and what isn’t.

Apple did this a while back with the MBP. They allowed the user to determine if they wanted full graphic power and a faster battery discharge cycle or reduced graphic power and longer battery cycle. They should offer this for the iPhone. I think Apple fumbled on this lame excuse when they admitted to something that they had publicly denied previously.

Who can trust Apple now?
 
I had both with my old 5S. 89% battery wear, sluggish as hell, and a battery life of 1 hour on lowest brightness and low power mode. Other times it’d die within minutes of not being tethered.

Basically there’ll eventually be a point where it doesn’t matter as no hardware throttling can stop the battery from dying.

Personally I’m not outraged by what Apple have done as I understand why but they certainly could put some messages in the OS. In all that time with my 5S I never once had anything to suggest “replace your battery”, “performance may be diminished whilst your battery wear is high”, or otherwise. Not that I needed that message though for others it certainly would be useful and stop all these complaints.
 
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I had both with my old 5S. 89% battery wear, sluggish as hell, and a battery life of 1 hour on lowest brightness and low power mode. Other times it’d die within minutes of not being tethered.

Basically there’ll eventually be a point where it doesn’t matter as no hardware throttling can stop the battery from dying.

Personally I’m not outraged by what Apple have done as I understand why but they certainly could put some messages in the OS. In all that time with my 5S I never once had anything to suggest “replace your battery”, “performance may be diminished whilst your battery wear is high”, or otherwise. Not that I needed that message though for others it certainly would be useful and stop all these complaints.


I understand you are not outraged as you are basing your decision as a iphone 5s owner. A phone that is pretty old and anyone can reason that the battery in that phone will be worn out by now.

But what about if you were the owner of an iphone 7? A phone that only came out last year.
In that scenario I don't think you would be saying I am not outraged Apple have decided to throttle my 1 year old phone.
 
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I'm pissed, quite frankly.
If I knew the update was going to make a potato out of my phone, I would have never installed it.

Do you think it's likely that they'll hear enough of the criticisms and just make a patch to the software to stop doing the slowdown?

Also, I know zip about software, is that a possible thing to do?
 
I'm pissed, quite frankly.
If I knew the update was going to make a potato out of my phone, I would have never installed it.

Do you think it's likely that they'll hear enough of the criticisms and just make a patch to the software to stop doing the slowdown?

Also, I know zip about software, is that a possible thing to do?

I think now that the class action law suits have come out - apple will have to do something.
We will have to just wait and see. I hope they get shafted good and proper, then they will be forced to do something.
 
So, if anyone can give specifics about this.
I downloaded some battery app for my phone, and I *think* mine is affected bc its been progressively slow and glitchy since the update (its never had any type of neglectful damage or anything like that; I take very good care of my stuff), but I'm not even sure what I'm looking for within that app
(So embarrassing to even ask this) :(
 
From the techcrunch article:

"As that battery ages, iOS will check its responsiveness and effectiveness actively. At a point when it becomes unable to give the processor all the power it needs to hit a peakof power, the requests will be spread out over a few cycles.


Remember, benchmarks, which are artificial tests of a system’s performance levels, will look like peaks and valleys to the system, which will then trigger this effect. In other words, you’re always going to be triggering this when you run a benchmark, but you definitely will not always trigger this effect when you’re using your iPhone like normal.

Apple will continue to add this smoothing to more devices over time to avoid shutdown issues, freezing and other problems."

Ok so something that would be nice (that we won't ever get) would be some sort of notification of when iOS has hit that point where it determines when a battery is starting to crap out and the throttling begins.

As for it not always triggering the effect it just seems untrue since many are reporting the iPhones clock speed always reporting a lower frequency when the phone is at idle. My launch day iPhone 7 on 10.3.3 always is up at about 2333mhz even when the phone is idling. Seems people are reporting there iPhone 7's on iOS 11.2 are idling at a much lower frequency. So looks like the throttling is in fact happening more often and it's not only caused by only high loads such as a Geekbench test.

It seems like they are making it more aggressive as time goes on slowing down the phones even more to avoid the shutdowns.

Like I said in another thread, I'm glad I'm on 10.3.3 and at least I'll know why and when my battery is starting to crap out when the "unexpected" shutdowns begin on my phone since I have no throttling instead of it just becoming slower and slower.
How do you find cpu clocks on iPhone 7? Which app do you use?
 
How about apple offering me the choice, that is if I'm happy with the battery performance why do have to deal with a slower phone?

My other issue, is why did this suddenly become an issue with the iOS 10? I mean Apple didn't seem that concerned about battery life in the prior iPhone/iOS versions?
 
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