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Youtube, facebook, instagram, etc... are all just as bad. They are all just filled with lies and filters and data mining.
Yes but they're US companies so only the competition needs to be fined and banned. :) normal phenomenon /s
 
We know it is an excuse because is a Chinese company. Otherwise Facebook, Whataspp, even Google mail, search and so many others would be in the same spot. Just protectionism.
 
Who has actually lived in China to tell us if the regime make people truly unhappy and poorer and less educated than in USA?
 
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Banning kids means collecting personal information from everyone else, cause they would have to prove they are over 18 to use social media.
I'm fine with confirming my age in order to use FB, X, Instagram, etc. If everyone had to have their actual age on an app or social game, imagine how many minors might be warned away from an adult predator trying to catfish them.

If people had to have their actual identity associated with their online posts, imagine how that would cut back on misinformation, disinformation, cyberbullying, predation, racism, etc. I know there are people whose entire online personas are associated with antisocial behavior (just look at the people starting the lies and misinformation that are leading to riots in the UK), but I think their reach would be reduced if the rest of us had to think twice about whether we wanted our families, friends and coworkers to see us reposting and spreading online trash.

There is a drawback with that, I know. What about LGBTQ people who feel they can't be public with their identities? What about human rights protesters in countries where those freedoms aren't allowed? I get it. So maybe having our accounts associated with our real identities isn't the answer. But having to prove adults are over 18 if it also means kids are safer online? I'm all for that.
 
Exactly this. Ban payed content, including ads, on social media, and many problems would go away, because most incentives for algorithms to drive engagement would evaporate.
Sadly, I think the algorithm-based incentives wouldn't go away under a subscription model. Social media companies would still want their customers to keep tapping and clicking, like rats aching for a food pellet. A subscription model would solve lots of problems (especially the number of bots and other fake accounts), but social media loves their algorithms too much, they'd just refine them differently to make sure customers are engaged and never end their subscriptions.
 
Youtube, facebook, instagram, etc... are all just as bad. They are all just filled with lies and filters and data mining.

Oh please. They are just digital versions of any American suburban neighborhood where people try to impress their neighbors with things they buy, pretend to have interesting lives, and spend tons of energy trying to know others’ business. There’s your OG lies, filtering and data mining.
 
I feel all social media should be 18+ only... No one under the age of 18 should have an account any of those sites. Social Media should be treated like *******.
And may i ask how do you feel is the best way to verify your age?
I presume you are an adult, so that means you will have to pass some official details onto any area that required age verification.
 
Just keep in mind all of these attempts to take down TikTok by the government have nothing to do with whatever the government claims the reason is.

They just don’t like the idea of not being able to control the content/algorithm like they used to do with Twitter and are currently able to do with IG and FB.

It’s censorship and nothing more.
 
Apple and Google should just not even let social media apps install on a child’s phone. Done. Kids are going to put in a fake age otherwise.
Arguably, a child shouldn't even have a smartphone or tablet at least until their teenage years. Social media is disasterous for a developing brain. I'm in my mid 30s right now, but I can't imagine the mental problems I'd have right now if I had access to social media growing up, well even worse than it currently is anyway.
 
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I don't have tiktok, never cared for the staged funny videos. now that basically IG and FB have gone down that route too, they're just as useless. I miss vine, it was funny. I watch YT but stay away from the junk on there as much as possible.
 
Actually, I don't believe that it's fruitless tp try and prevent it.

I'm just saying that it happens earlier and that it's much more difficult then most people realize.
Again, if parents take control when they should it is less likely. Besides, when my child entered Highschool they needed an iPad and smartphone. They told us the parents own the smart devices NOT THE children! It worked for us.
 
It's unconstitutional. There's really no question, it's not going to happen. It's just idiotic performative legislating.

TikTok is here to stay until the next big thing happens. And honestly that's not actually a bad thing. Sure, there's a lot of idiotic nonsense videos on there, but it's also the current preferred political activism platform for young people now that Xitter is a neo-Nazi cesspool.

Sure, I'm not a fan of the format myself, I don't even have an account. But I've seen how the kids are using it, and I'm all for it. No, I'm not thrilled that the fascist mainland Chinese government have hooks into it, but I do like that the "five eyes" countries don't have any ability to control it.
I think the real question here is this: What part of the law is unconstitutional? I'm not saying you're wrong, but you didn't cite any reasons or amendments as a basis to show where the ban would get thrown out.

As long as the government is providing a valid reason for banning TikTok, it is not not in violation of the 14th Amendment (aka equal protection clause). With the way our government is -- anything related to children, especially with privacy, is a big deal. The courts may even go as far as saying it's a national security threat, which is more than enough to ban the company completely. It's not quite the open and shut case you think it is.
 
... I would imagine a Trump win would likely reverse the ban law saving TikTok in potentially the last few weeks. ...
Trump himself has written executive orders to ban TikTok.

1. Executive Order 13942 (TikTok)

Date Issued: August 6, 2020

Main Points:

National Security Concern: The order cited concerns that TikTok, owned by Chinese company ByteDance, posed a national security risk. It alleged that TikTok could potentially allow the Chinese government to access the personal data of American users.

Prohibition of Transactions: The order directed the Secretary of Commerce to identify and take action against any transactions between U.S. individuals or entities and ByteDance. This was intended to effectively ban TikTok’s operations in the U.S.

Divestment: The order required ByteDance to divest its U.S. operations, aiming to sever the connection between TikTok and its Chinese parent compan
 
Yes, that is correct. I care not if you think that is weird.
How about blatantly unconstitutional? It would never fly in the US at least to ban people from using an app past the age of 18. Maybe the laws are different in your country but it would be the easiest court case ever in the US.
 
It's unconstitutional. There's really no question, it's not going to happen. It's just idiotic performative legislating.

There's nothing unconstitutional about banning an app that is owned by a foreign company. The US gov't (as well as other countries gov'ts) can and do have the power to limit and regulate what foreign companies can and can not own in the US. Hell they can and have banned entire countries (see Cuba).
 
All these social media apps are actually very anti social, ban all of them, especially for teenagers.
This is the parent’s job. Any restrictions will force companies to collect ids, do you want that?
 
Which plays no insignificant part in the current fervor for banning it.
Right. The real reason is that AIPAC doesn’t like the kind of activism happening on TikTok regarding the genocide of Palestinian civilians by Israel.

Their appeals to the PRC have fallen on deaf ears because the PRC couldn’t care less about Israel’s well being (and nobody should other than an Israeli) so they ran to their idiot slaves in moron Congress to end-around the Chinese owners and create this ridiculous spectacle instead.
 
Oh please. They are just digital versions of any American suburban neighborhood where people try to impress their neighbors with things they buy, pretend to have interesting lives, and spend tons of energy trying to know others’ business. There’s your OG lies, filtering and data mining.
“Digital versions of any American suburban neighborhood…”

I think you just nailed why those apps suck so bad, lmao - since all Americans do is lie and obfuscate about everything. You can’t even be honest about your role in the European theatre of WW2, your companies lie about revenue to their investors, and your leaders stand there and say everything is all fine, when all you have to do is hop in the car and take a drive around to see just how poorly mismanaged this disgusting dump really is.
 
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Oh please. They are just digital versions of any American suburban neighborhood where people try to impress their neighbors with things they buy, pretend to have interesting lives, and spend tons of energy trying to know others’ business. There’s your OG lies, filtering and data mining.

In social media, every narcissist out there found the ultimate tool for stroking their egos, actively working to increase exposure and obtain validation from complete strangers, sometimes through ever more ridiculous stunts for “bragging rights,” and often outright lying about what they do, or own. These people get an outsized share of attention in social media, probably due in no small part to impressionable (often young) users sharing posts or clicking whatever “Like” button is offered.

That is why some of us here say social media is “not real”. I don’t know where you live or have lived, but this comment sounds like you think it is.

To be clear, I’m not saying the behaviors you described do not happen at all or are not real. Narcissism and self-aggrandizing behaviors are not a new phenomenon. I’m saying such behaviors are inherently magnified in social media and not reflective of society-at-large.
 
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