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I agree I wouldn't make the move to 4k for gaming. It would be 1440P for sure. I never got into controllers and console gaming since early Nintendo or Genesis LOL

My brother in law, as a side biz, builds comps for people. He built a bunch of custom loops with the 7900xtx and almost everyone came back and wanted to replace it with the 4090 :confused:

I wish AMDs drivers were better but they aren't. He knows comps well and he swapped out the 7900xtx in his person rig for a 4080 and said it was way better. He plays at 4k too.

I guess we will see what happens in 2024 or 2025. I have a 5800x and I wouldnt swap it for a 7XXX series as of now. If anything I would get a 5800X3D and put the rest into a 4080 (hoping prices come down a bit).
I used to build PCs myself as well, complete with custom loops and lighting, and all the other enjoyable elements. However, the market for hobby builders has been significantly impacted by scalpers, resulting in considerable price gouging. Moreover, NVIDIA seems to have taken notice of the high prices people are willing to pay, leading them to continually increase their own prices. The situation has become absurd and frustrating. I'm eager to see what the series 5 will bring. The 4090 Ti is right around the corner, but you know that's going to cost the same as a down payment for a house.

But anyway, this is starting to get wayyyyyy off topic.
 
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Sounds like Apple isn’t the issue in that scenario and that you are trying to redefine the word “scam” to mean something it does not.

The buyer being ignorant is only half the ingredient of a scam. The other half is the seller literally making deliberately misleading claims about the purpose or capability of the purchase, which is not occurring just because someone doesn’t want to research the iPhone 14 before dropping $800 on it.

Of course big company makes sure it is legal, but we all have common sense to tell if it is actually a scam for most people. You just explained legally it is not a scam does not mean it is what most people believe.
 
Of course big company makes sure it is legal, but we all have common sense to tell if it is actually a scam for most people. You just explained legally it is not a scam does not mean it is what most people believe.
I gave the literal dictionary definition of a scam. Nothing “legal” about it. Sorry if the actual definition of a word doesn’t fit the sour narrative you’re trying to spin it into.

You keep mentioning “most people” but only in the way it’s convenient for your razor thin argument. Most people don’t give a 💩 what generation the SoC is in their phones and they don’t need you to be mad at Apple about it on their behalf because it never mattered to them in the first place.
 
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That is a solution to a problem people run in to every three years or so. That is, their battery is worn out and doesn’t hold a charge anymore. There is the different situation of battery just running out in the middle of the day, but that situation is covered by power banks, which are way more convenient and versatile.
It’s a solution for both, and I think superior for both. Power banks are perhaps more versatile, but definitely not more convenient. You have to carry a larger battery and cable or get a power bank that does wireless charging at a mind numbingly slow rate. I mean by the time you figure it out you need power your phone is probably at 20% so the last thing you want is slow charging.

By the time smart phones came out, replaceable batteries were not good in the sense of convenient to replace because you had to peel some stupid cover off the back of your phone. Before smart phones, there were batteries that just snapped on the back of your phone and you can quickly pop another on within a fraction of a second. Also, charging stands so you can just pop multiple batteries in to charge. That level of convenience would be outstanding, but I don’t see it happening.

The choice you have today is either buy a large phone if you want all day battery life or carry around a separate power bank if you want to use a smaller phone. I think this is one reason why small phones don’t sell today because no one wants to carry around a power bank and cord just to keep their phone going all day.
 
I don’t think Steve Jobs was an ethical and honest person. I actually think the opposite. I just think Cook is much worse when it comes to being stingy with what’s included in products, and when it comes to prices.
It’s not about being stingy. not bundling what most people feel are useless accessory’s makes sense. I’m mostly talking about the wired headphones because obviously everyone needs a charger. In my opinion I don’t think it was about saving the cost of the charging brick, but rather saving cost of shipping by putting in putting the iPhone in a considerably thinner box.

But let’s get back to being stingy because yes, that’s his job. Tim Cook’s job is to be stingy to not only keep the company profitable and in business, but also give customers the best value. There hasn’t been a price increase on the iPhone in over five years. I think that’s pretty good especially considering the price of everything else is going up.
 
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I gave the literal dictionary definition of a scam. Nothing “legal” about it. Sorry if the actual definition of a word doesn’t fit the sour narrative you’re trying to spin it into.

You keep mentioning “most people” but only in the way it’s convenient for your razor thin argument. Most people don’t give a 💩 what generation the SoC is in their phones and they don’t need you to be mad at Apple about it on their behalf because it never mattered to them in the first place.

Everyone has common sense knows putting a iPhone 14 logo on a phone with a iPhone 13 cpu is a scam or not. Of course you can blame them for not reading the technical detail, but most of the people just can not believe Apple would do that to them.
 
You can see this most clearly in the labor markets where pay has drastically trailed increases in productivity. When 100 stores compete for employees, wages can grow competitively. When they are all replaced by Walmart, there is no longer any competition. Capitalism fails. Governments are so focused on lower prices in markets that they ignore the growing lack of competition.

I'm sure to regret weighing in on this...

The reason wages have lagged productivity is because of too much competition in the labor market, not too little. Individual workers in general have no market power because there is very often another worker standing behind them equally well qualified and willing to take a dollar less.

This is the definition of a purely competitive market-- because the products are essentially identical, no seller is able to make a profit and they're forced to essentially sell at cost.


Likewise, there hasn't been significant consolidation among employers:

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Working age in this case is between the ages of 20 and 54. This is meant to correct for variations in retirement and education age that can happen around recessions (retire early, stay in school longer).

The difference between a firm and an establishment is that an establishment is a single place of business but a firm is a single owner that may own multiple establishments (ie. Walmart is a firm, the particular Walmart store closest to you is an establishment).

Neither measure has declined in the last 30 years, temporary recessions aside. Firms per capita is essentially unchanged, and the number of establishments has risen.

What has been happening is that wealth is concentrating at the top, leading to less competition in the capital markets and increasing the return on capital versus the return on labor.

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As far as smartphones, I think there's a reasonable amount of competition. There's probably a dozen manufacturers of hardware (what we're talking about here). Too much competition eliminates profits and without profits, there's no budget for innovation. There's enough profit to be had in the smartphone market that if someone saw a way to differentiate themselves and grab a slice of marketshare, it would be worth the investment. You'd have to get a toehold against entrenched players and to do that you'd need to find a need in the market that isn't being served.

I just don't see many unserved needs...

Apple employees, particularly those involved in R&D, are quite well paid because there are far fewer qualified workers and they can demand higher salaries. So as far as Apple and the smartphone market, consolidation hasn't driven down employee salaries specifically needed for designing smartphones. Nominal salaries have doubled in the last 20 years.

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So if the argument is that lack of competition in industry keeps wages down, then that doesn’t seem to be a problem in Apple’s industry.
 
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Everyone has common sense knows putting a iPhone 14 logo on a phone with a iPhone 13 cpu is a scam or not. Of course you can blame them for not reading the technical detail, but most of the people just can not believe Apple would do that to them.
Apple is under no obligation to use same chips in every current model. It’s not uncommon among laptop, phone vendors to use multi-generation chips in the lineup.
It’s another way companies use tiers to differentiate products, pretty much happens on most categories.
If you want certain chip, buy, if you can’t, buy something else. Apple isn’t forcing you to buy anything.
 
Everyone has common sense knows putting a iPhone 14 logo on a phone with a iPhone 13 cpu is a scam or not. Of course you can blame them for not reading the technical detail, but most of the people just can not believe Apple would do that to them.
The processor in the iPhone 14 is faster than the processor on the iPhone 13 is…
 
It’s a solution for both, and I think superior for both.

You would be wrong.

Now, we can dismiss the problem with worn out batteries, as you can replace the battery no problem. World is full of repair shops that will do that for you in 60 minutes or so, solving that problem for years to come. Optimizing for that problem is pointless. So we are left with batteries that run out in the middle of the day. How would a loose battery be better than a powerbank?

With a powerbank, you can recharge any device you might have. Loose battery only works for that one device. And it’s way easier to recharge a powerbank. Plug it in to a wall-outlet, or plug it in to your laptop, done. How do you charge a loose battery? You put it in your phone and then plug the phone to a charger. Well, now you have one charged battery and one empty battery. So you need to take out the just charged battery from the phone, put in the empty battery and the plug the phone back in.

Power banks are perhaps more versatile, but definitely not more convenient. You have to carry a larger battery and cable or get a power bank that does wireless charging at a mind numbingly slow rate. I mean by the time you figure it out you need power your phone is probably at 20% so the last thing you want is slow charging.

Why would that be an issue? You don’t need to charge the phone to 100%, you just need enough power to get you by.

Before smart phones, there were batteries that just snapped on the back of your phone and you can quickly pop another on within a fraction of a second.

Do not cite deep magic to me. For I was there when it was written.

Making phones like that waterproof would be very difficult. And those batteries were never a snug fit. They would always wiggle a bit. While it wasn’t a big deal back then, people would think it’s crude and stupid these days.

And those kinds of batteries would have less capacity when compared to built-in batteries. You would need to have user-friendly connectors, latches, covers and the like. Those add size and weight. So either you make the battery physically bigger to get same capacity, or you make the battery as big as internal battery and lose capacity.

And let’s face it, something like This basically is a replaceable battery that you want. True, you don’t replace the battery, you charge it. So if you see that you are down to 10% or so, plug that thing in the phone and carry out your day. It might be a slowish charge, but it is a charge. Why would you need to charge the phone fast? And you can use your phone while that thing is on it. I fail to see what does an actual battery replacement offer that is not solved by that kind of solution.

Also, charging stands so you can just pop multiple batteries in to charge. That level of convenience would be outstanding, but I don’t see it happening.

So a separate charger just to charge batteries? Instead of one charger that can charge several different devices? And if your next device has different kind of battery, the charger will not work anymore. Yeah, that sounds really convenient. And why multiple batteries? People don’t go through that many batteries through the day.

Ironically, I have a charging stand in my nightstand. It has three Qi-chargers, Apple Watch charger and USB-A and -C outlets. With that one charger I can charge every device I have, all the way from Apple Watch or AirPods, to a MacBook.

The choice you have today is either buy a large phone if you want all day battery life or carry around a separate power bank if you want to use a smaller phone.

For most users, a fully charged iPhone will last through the day no problem. Some people might fall a bit short. Plug the phone to a charger for 15 minutes in the middle of the day, that should give enough juice to carry through the day. And we have tons of opportunities for incremental charging through the day. You drive to the grocery store? Plug in the phone in the car. You work in an office? Put a charger at your workdesk. Or hell, get a MagSafe powerbank, like the one I linked earlier.

You are making this in to a huge problem that has no solution besides replaceable batteries. It’s not, and there are tons of solutions out there. None of which include user fiddling with replaceable batteries.

And why is it so inconvenient to carry a powerbank around, whereas carrying a separate loose battery is not?

I think this is one reason why small phones don’t sell today because no one wants to carry around a power bank and cord just to keep their phone going all day.

Or people just want as big of a screen as they can get.
 
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Interesting comments in here... why do people defend Apple like this? Using 1 year old processors in a "new" phone is a corner cut especially when they aren't even lowering the price
 
Interesting comments in here... why do people defend Apple like this? Using 1 year old processors in a "new" phone is a corner cut especially when they aren't even lowering the price

A 1 year old processor that is unmatched?!

Apple still sell the 13 at a reduced price, people do have a choice…

And to add, every smartphone manufacturer does this, Google Pixels use an old processor, Samsung do 3 different processors depending on your country etc and even the latest and greatest snapdragon doesn’t touch the “old” processor in the regular iPhone 14.
 
Interesting comments in here... why do people defend Apple like this? Using 1 year old processors in a "new" phone is a corner cut especially when they aren't even lowering the price

Some people just like this brand without really think about they are just supporting a commercial greedy company.
 
Interesting comments in here... why do people defend Apple like this? Using 1 year old processors in a "new" phone is a corner cut especially when they aren't even lowering the price
The processor in iPhone 14 is faster than the one in 13, even if it has the same model number. Not to mention that the CPU on the 14 comes with 6GB of RAM, while 13 comes with 4GB. And there is more to a phone that the processor. The processor is already overkill for most uses as it is.

I REALLY don’t get the whining about this.
 
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The processor in iPhone 14 is faster than the one in 13, even if it has the same model number. Not to mention that the CPU on the 14 comes with 6GB of RAM, while 13 comes with 4GB. And there is more to a phone that the processor. The processor is already overkill for most uses as it is.

I REALLY don’t get the whining about this.

0.3% faster?
 
Interesting comments in here... why do people defend Apple like this? Using 1 year old processors in a "new" phone is a corner cut especially when they aren't even lowering the price
Don’t buy if it bothers you. Enjoy life with out worrying about Apple or any brand. If Apple/ consumer device is bothering me in life, I would move on to something else. Life is too short and valuable for this drama.
 
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The processor in iPhone 14 is faster than the one in 13, even if it has the same model number. Not to mention that the CPU on the 14 comes with 6GB of RAM, while 13 comes with 4GB. And there is more to a phone that the processor. The processor is already overkill for most uses as it is.

I REALLY don’t get the whining about this.
Troll gonna troll.
 
it has about 25% faster GPU and 50% more RAM.

GFXBench which should measure 3d games performance is 59 fps vs 60 fps, 1 fps increase out of 59 is 1.6% increase.

Well that is benchmark, in real life that is 0 different.

This is just gaming. The cpu part which is basically anything other than gaming is the same.

The ram different would not affecting anything except you can open 60 tabs instead of like 40 tabs.
 
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GFXBench which should measure 3d games performance is 59 fps vs 60 fps, 1 fps increase out of 59 is 1.6% increase.

Well that is benchmark, in real life that is 0 different.

This is just gaming. The cpu part which is basically anything other than gaming is the same.

The ram different would not affecting anything except you can open 60 tabs instead of like 40 tabs.
It has 5 GPU cores as opposed to 4. Whether that is visible in some app depends in how GPU-bound the app is. Same thing with RAM. And RAM helps keep apps in memory, as opposed to being killed, which makes using the phone smoother. But still, the processor is beefier than the processor on iPhone 13, you are just moving the goalposts. Whining that it’s the same CPU as on 13 is stupid. In actual use any performance difference between different processor-generations is nearly imperceptible to users. It might be noticeable when comparing phones between several generations. Comparisons from one year to another are pointless, as overwhelming majority of users don’t upgrade their phones every year.

This thread is stupid.
 
It has 5 GPU cores as opposed to 4. Whether that is visible in some app depends in how GPU-bound the app is. Same thing with RAM. And RAM helps keep apps in memory, as opposed to being killed, which makes using the phone smoother. But still, the processor is beefier than the processor on iPhone 13, you are just moving the goalposts. Whining that it’s the same CPU as on 13 is stupid. In actual use any performance difference between different processor-generations is nearly imperceptible to users. It might be noticeable when comparing phones between several generations. Comparisons from one year to another are pointless, as overwhelming majority of users don’t upgrade their phones every year.

This thread is stupid.

You show me one app that there is easy to tell different between cheap iPhone 13 and cheap iPhone 14. I am sure any YouTuber would record that if that even exists.

If you cannot even find one, then that 1.6% benchmark gpu different and 2gb more ram just wouldn’t be matter in real life.
 
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You show me one app that there is easy to tell different between cheap iPhone 13 and cheap iPhone 14. I am sure any YouTuber would record that if that even exists.

If you cannot even find one, then that 1.6% benchmark gpu different and 2gb more ram just wouldn’t be matter in real life.
How about first, you show us an app that requires the extra power and capabilities of the A16 that just isn’t possible on the ancient A15.
We’re waiting…
PS: the iPhone 6 upgraded to the A8 processor… But stuck with a single gigabyte of ram.
It was killed with software support at the same time as the 5S, which had an older processor and the same amount of ram.
Meanwhile, future products with that same A8 chip but 2GB of RAM received an additional three years of software support.
So… yeah, it’s quite possible that 50% upgrade in ram between the 14 and 13 might actually become a very real benefit years from now.
 
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