Apple does not report sales figures by model. They report desktop and portable sales. No one really knows which models sell best although I would agree with you that the iMac has been a good seller.
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Time to speak up about the disappointing iMac
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Apple does not report sales figures by model. They report desktop and portable sales. No one really knows which models sell best although I would agree with you that the iMac has been a good seller.
I looked at the glossy display at the apple store and I didn't seem to have a problem with it.
The eyesight argument may be the only one that I can't refute; I have good eyesight and have no clue if poor eyesight will suffer with glossy displays.
Have all of you who are complaining about the displays even tested them in the store? Just because you've looked at a macbook with glossy does not mean you can say the same for an iMac; the size difference alone may be a big enough difference to affect opinion. I tested it and it looked fine. But then again that is my opinion.
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The eyesight argument may be the only one that I can't refute; I have good eyesight and have no clue if poor eyesight will suffer with glossy displays.
Have all of you who are complaining about the displays even tested them in the store? Just because you've looked at a macbook with glossy does not mean you can say the same for an iMac; the size difference alone may be a big enough difference to affect opinion. I tested it and it looked fine. But then again that is my opinion.
-=|Mgkwho
Well, guess what? He's wrong.
Ironically, I was really looking forward to using that keyboard. I pretty much hate standard keyboards and have long wondered when computer makers were going to split with the traditional design, much of which is still based on the typewriter which necessitated a high keyboard with lots of pushing. There's no reason to stick with that other than an inability to think outside the box. When I first saw the leaked images of the keyboard, I got pretty excited about it. I just wish the rest of the machine was as inspired as the keyboard.
I will make sure to send them some lengthy feedback about how great and beautiful a product this is!!! See it in person and then you can give real feedback.
I've sent feedback even though I don't plan on buying an iMac. That gfx card made my stomach churn too. But there is word here that it might be better than a normal HD 2600 Pro. Here's my feedback:
You know the iPod mini had amazing sales with that black and white screen. By your logic, they shouldn't have replaced it with a color one.
If a glossy screen is really a make or break for you, you aren't their target market with this machine. I imagine Apple has books of data that measure interest in gloss vs matte, and it is an extremely calculated decision.
LOL!
I'm constantly amazed by the depths of illogic that some of you will sink when tirelessly defending everything Apple does.
Let's examine this a little more closely.
* You spend hours at a time staring at a computer display where nuances in the display quality (say, color or glare) can have a detrimental effect on the user.
* You glance intermittently and briefly at your iPod screen, even when in heavy use, where even major differences in display quality hardly have an impact.
Hmm... are these still comparable circumstances to you?
Glare and your eye sight
Glossy screen is not only bad for photo-editing due to color distortion, but also bad for your eyes over the long term due to glare.
Even if you don't notice the glare, glare can hurt your visiton in the long run.
Optometrists have been telling people to avoid glare for a long time:
http://www.optometrists.bc.ca/content2/Computer_Vision_Syndrome/82
http://www.visionworksusa.com/computereyestrain.htm
http://office-ergo.com/12things1.htm
Glossy screen is not only bad for photo-editing due to color distortion, but also bad for your eyes over the long term due to glare.
Even if you don't notice the glare, glare can hurt your visiton in the long run.
Optometrists have been telling people to avoid glare for a long time:
http://www.optometrists.bc.ca/content2/Computer_Vision_Syndrome/82
http://www.visionworksusa.com/computereyestrain.htm
http://office-ergo.com/12things1.htm
LOL!
I'm constantly amazed by the depths of illogic that some of you will sink when tirelessly defending everything Apple does.
Let's examine this a little more closely.
* You spend hours at a time staring at a computer display where nuances in the display quality (say, color or glare) can have a detrimental effect on the user.
* You glance intermittently and briefly at your iPod screen, even when in heavy use, where even major differences in display quality hardly have an impact.
Hmm... are these still comparable circumstances to you?
Yes, because the analogy didn't need be a screen to make the point. You insinuated that the matte screen was why the iMac sells so well. I say that was a weak argument.
I don't think that it is necessarily that you have poor eyesight that couses it to bother you, some people it botheres and some it doesn't, I have fairly good eyesight, but when i was looking at one in a store, the screen was bothering my eyes because of the glare, and I can look a a matte display all day without it bothering me.
The other reason for not liking the glossy displays, is that the colors are not accurate, so if you are into photo editing, the screen is no good for that.
You've got to admit, without ideal lighting, these new iMacs can be pretty reflective. The photo below is from the Arstechnica iMac review.
Well this one's going to run and run isn't it?
For what it's worth, I have a new iMac (my first Mac so I'm not an Apple fanboy btw) and the screen is beautiful. I've seen glossy laptops at my place of work and hated every one of them (mainly Toshiba's) but the iMac looks great. Perhaps the difference is because it doesn't have the colour shift which you normally get since the glossy effect comes from the glass front and not the LCD itself. Mine's the 24" model so you don't get any colour change when viewing angle is changed either (ie. not TN LCD).
As for the keyboard, I didn't think I'd like it because I normally like plenty of key travel but this thing works just fine and I can type very fast and accurately which is surely the important thing.
Finally, on the GPU - there seems to be growing evidence that this isn't just a bog standard 2600 Pro as some of the performance figures are closer to a 2600XT. I guess this will all come out in due course but I for one will not lose any sleep over it either way.
Nice one
Craig.
For what it's worth, I have a new iMac (my first Mac so I'm not an Apple fanboy btw) and the screen is beautiful. I've seen glossy laptops at my place of work and hated every one of them (mainly Toshiba's) but the iMac looks great. Perhaps the difference is because it doesn't have the colour shift which you normally get since the glossy effect comes from the glass front and not the LCD itself. Mine's the 24" model so you don't get any colour change when viewing angle is changed either (ie. not TN LCD).
As for the keyboard, I didn't think I'd like it because I normally like plenty of key travel but this thing works just fine and I can type very fast and accurately which is surely the important thing.
Finally, on the GPU - there seems to be growing evidence that this isn't just a bog standard 2600 Pro as some of the performance figures are closer to a 2600XT. I guess this will all come out in due course but I for one will not lose any sleep over it either way.
Nice one
Craig.
You've got to admit, without ideal lighting, these new iMacs can be pretty reflective. The photo below is from the Arstechnica iMac review.
This is pure horror, even if the computer is switched off. I remember a few years ago when at work I had a quite reflective CRT screen and part of a window behind me. There was nothing to do, my eyes always noticed the reflection in the upper angle of the monitor. It was very stressing and after 8 hours I always had an headache. I complained for weeks until I had an option to sit at an other desk. Minor reflections, mostly on black backgrounds, but not severe as before. When they changed the CRT for a Nec LCD everything was excellent.
Interesting. I have poor eyesight as well and want to buy an iMac but am hesitating because of these posts. This will be my first mac and I'm very sure I want to make the switch but I'm torn between buying the white refurb and the new model. Unfortunately, I don't have an apple store nearby and can't check them out first.
What to do?
LOL!
I'm constantly amazed by the depths of illogic that some of you will sink when tirelessly defending everything Apple does.
Let's examine this a little more closely.
* You spend hours at a time staring at a computer display where nuances in the display quality (say, color or glare) can have a detrimental effect on the user.
* You glance intermittently and briefly at your iPod screen, even when in heavy use, where even major differences in display quality hardly have an impact.
Hmm... are these still comparable circumstances to you?
Makes sense to me...the comparison is related to popularity, not eyestrain.
Interesting. I have poor eyesight as well and want to buy an iMac but am hesitating because of these posts. This will be my first mac and I'm very sure I want to make the switch but I'm torn between buying the white refurb and the new model. Unfortunately, I don't have an apple store nearby and can't check them out first.
What to do?
If you can't try one for yourself I'd take the safest path, and get a white one (next week I'll see myself if discounts are available). But that's just my opinion.
I love the glossy display and can't see or am not bothered by any small reflections there may be.
However, the screen on my 20" suffers from inconsistency. At the top of the screen, things are dark and at the bottom they are bleached out. Only in the centre are they correct.
I've tried moving around and tilting the screen but can't fix it.
Does everybody else have this problem???
However, the screen on my 20" suffers from inconsistency. At the top of the screen, things are dark and at the bottom they are bleached out. Only in the centre are they correct.
I've tried moving around and tilting the screen but can't fix it.
Does everybody else have this problem???
I love the glossy display and can't see or am not bothered by any small reflections there may be.
However, the screen on my 20" suffers from inconsistency. At the top of the screen, things are dark and at the bottom they are bleached out. Only in the centre are they correct.
I've tried moving around and tilting the screen but can't fix it.
Does everybody else have this problem???
I believe this is due to the type of display (TN). The 24" doesn't have this problem as it appears to use a different type of LCD display. I would have though that sitting slightly farther away might help, no?
I am not getting the hatred for the glossy screen. Is it that different from the direction apple's gone with their laptops or the iPhone? I've yet to use the glossy iMac but mine will be here Tuesday or Wednesday. I love the gloss/glass of the iPhone though and I've never had a problem seeing something on it even with reflections.
Interesting. I have poor eyesight as well and want to buy an iMac but am hesitating because of these posts. This will be my first mac and I'm very sure I want to make the switch but I'm torn between buying the white refurb and the new model. Unfortunately, I don't have an apple store nearby and can't check them out first.
What to do?
You might not have an Apple store nearby (like me) but there might be a reseller nearby who has them in stock. That's how I ended up with my iMac - I went to a premium reseller just to view the machine, fell in love with it right there and as they had them in stock I walked out with one (after paying of course...
)I'd definitely recommend a viewing if you can - I think if you approach it with an open mind then you will end up loving it like me!
Good luck,
Craig.