Tired of waiting for Apple & Verizon...

[iphone1105]

IIRC, doesn't ATT's iPhone exclusivity end this summer? That's prime time to introduce a Verizon iPhone. I also believe Qualcomm has been working on a dual GSM/CDMA chip, which would make a single iPhone capable of being on ATT or Verizon much easier.

Also, ATT and Verizon are both switching to the LTE "4G" technology in the future, which completely removes the need to make two different phones. It's literally not if, but when, Verizon gets the iPhone. I'm not saying it's going to be this year, but Apple is a business and it's a very good business decision in the long run to get the iPhone to as many people as possible. And with multiple carriers switching to the same wireless technology (and so many people complaining about ATT these days), it's just a bad decision to keep with one carrier. Verizon wanted things in the past that Apple wasn't willing to give them. But Verizon is the one that's going to benefit more from having the iPhone, so I think they'll cave and give Apple what they want.

You realize LTE 4G Tech is years away from being anywhere near respectable right? I mean, most of the posts in this thread....just stop with it, its been 3 years, no VZW IPHONE, get over it....it's like ya'll are trying to hang on to a girl who doesn't love you anymore, sad, pathetic, desperate.....

 

[Hmac]

If Faux News says it, it's not true

You're right, of course. CNN is much better. That Robin Meade...she's so pretty...

 

[Applejuiced]

Just hope he doesn't work in a job that uses such numbers

Remember a few years ago when a Canadian (?) carrier listed data at something like ".02 cents" per KB? The employee who wrote it of course meant to say "two cents per KB" or "$.02 per KB".

Many customers however read it correctly as "two hundredths of a cent per KB" and signed up for such a great deal.

The carrier later had to admit its mistake and repay the users after trying to charge them more, I think.

I hear you.
In something as important as a wireless providers cost breakdown it could be a dissaster.
But on a public forum I dont see it as such a big deal.

 

[hakr]

Hakr - Let us (or me via PM) know when you receive your Droid Incredible. I'm thinking of switching to Verizon and getting one myself and would love to hear some user feedback. From what I've seen on Engadget, PhoneDogTV and a few other gadget/technology websites so far, it looks amazing. I like my iPhone...it's a great phone, but at this point in my life, I have more of a desire for an open source phone without having to jailbreak and I don't see myself getting the newest iPhone when it comes out this summer. Again, it's just a matter of personal taste...not knocking the iPhone at all. The 8 megapixel camera with dual flash as well as the camcorder are a few other things that really appeal to me with the Droid Incredible. Good luck and have fun with your new phone!!! It looks awesome!

Supposedly, my new Verizon Droid Incredible will be in my hands by 29 April. I've read up on it some, and I've downloaded the user manual...all 200 pages of it...yikes.

I live about 30 miles from the Apple store in Annapolis, MD, and I've played with just about every Apple product that's been at that store for the past few years, including iPhones. I have a recent Macbook Pro, and a new iMac I7. I like the iPhone, but as I stated, AT&T's coverage where i live and work just plain...sucks. Plus, the two guys with iPhones I know at the marina where I keep my boat tell me their phones are useless there, though they do work ok out in the middle of Chesapeake Bay.

That's why I was waiting for a Verizon iPhone. I simply tired of waiting.

I'm looking forward to my new Incredible.

 

[ImpostorOak]

You realize LTE 4G Tech is years away from being anywhere near respectable right? I mean, most of the posts in this thread....just stop with it, its been 3 years, no VZW IPHONE, get over it....it's like ya'll are trying to hang on to a girl who doesn't love you anymore, sad, pathetic, desperate.....

It's been years and Apple is sticking with PPC no matter what! Get over it! It's just wishful thinking and you're all acting like children! Marklar is a load of crap. It's just a rumor. Stop wasting your time dreaming and acting like sad little teenagers because it will NEVER HAPPEN!

Oh, wait, this isn't 2005 anymore...

 

[ZenoVT]

The day Verizon gets the iPhone, is when Fedor signs with UFC...

 

[MarlboroLite]

Well I broke down and got a Droid back in December...I just couldn't wait any longer with a dumb phone flip Samsung from what seems now another century altogether. Yes, I would still prefer an iPhone, I believe it is superior by a lot to Android, especially after 4.0 is out....but I will not switch to AT&T.

There are millions of people like me and the OP who will simply stop waiting. Those who switched, by and large have done so. Apple sticking to 1 and only carrier in the US, ignoring the rest of the market is ultimately their prerogative. The growing Android base will get more and more invested in the platform the longer they wait. At the end of the day, having a reliable signal from the carrier I pay a hefty monthly fee to is the most important factor.

It's their call.

 

[macfan881]

...to make a deal, and since AT&T coverage in my area...sucks...

...today I pre-ordered a Verizon Droid Incredible...it seems to be a worthy competitor from what I've read...

I lol hard if Verizon gets the iPhone. people need patience I'd get a Verizon iPhone day 1 but where I live verizons been crap since I've move to Nashvile I cant Imagine how it will be when they get the iPhone My brother and dad have the iPhone now on ATT and have full 4 bars here.

 

[iTouch]

The iPhone "leak" was GSM and no CDMA chip was found inside, and Verizon does not use micro sim, and Apple is not making two different phones which could potentially be confusing to customers who would buy them at an Apple store (this philosophy is proven with the stagered iPad release)...Verizon will forever be the Visigoth clamoring at the gates for the noble roman blood that is iphone...Google is not even in a hurry to bring them a CDMA N1

Can you post the pic? I say that since Digitimes confirmed SKWS is making the power amplifiers for the new iPhone. Problem? They have no GSM/3G solution. Solution is a combination of GSM and WCDMA. They are designing a GSM/WCDMA solution in one package.

 

[SAD*FACED*CLOWN]

Well I broke down and got a Droid back in December...I just couldn't wait any longer with a dumb phone flip Samsung from what seems now another century altogether. Yes, I would still prefer an iPhone, I believe it is superior by a lot to Android, especially after 4.0 is out....but I will not switch to AT&T.

There are millions of people like me and the OP who will simply stop waiting. Those who switched, by and large have done so. Apple sticking to 1 and only carrier in the US, ignoring the rest of the market is ultimately their prerogative. The growing Android base will get more and more invested in the platform the longer they wait. At the end of the day, having a reliable signal from the carrier I pay a hefty monthly fee to is the most important factor.

It's their call.

how is Apple ignoring any particular segment of the cell phone market? You and any other verizon subscriber is free to purchase an iPhone and activate it via Apple's US partner AT&T...you and all the other Verizon holdouts are choosing to NOT have an iPhone because of loyalty to Verizon...it's as simple as that

 

[SAD*FACED*CLOWN]

Can you post the pic? I say that since Digitimes confirmed SKWS is making the power amplifiers for the new iPhone. Problem? They have no GSM/3G solution. Solution is a combination of GSM and WCDMA. They are designing a GSM/WCDMA solution in one package.

eventually maybe, now? NOPE...I'll bet my first born that Verizon won't get an iPhone this year

 

[Hmac]

...you and all the other Verizon holdouts are choosing to NOT have an iPhone because of loyalty to Verizon...it's as simple as that

What an odd comment. Naturally there are many people who use Verizon solely because they CAN'T use AT&T.

 

[yg17]

Can you post the pic? I say that since Digitimes confirmed SKWS is making the power amplifiers for the new iPhone. Problem? They have no GSM/3G solution. Solution is a combination of GSM and WCDMA. They are designing a GSM/WCDMA solution in one package.

WCDMA is the 3G that AT&T and other GSM carriers use. It has absolutely nothing to do with the CDMA that Verizon uses. Thus, their GSM/WCDMA chip is exactly what Apple needs for the iPhone.

 

[hakr]

how is Apple ignoring any particular segment of the cell phone market? You and any other verizon subscriber is free to purchase an iPhone and activate it via Apple's US partner AT&T...you and all the other Verizon holdouts are choosing to NOT have an iPhone because of loyalty to Verizon...it's as simple as that

It might have to do with the fact that AT&T sucketh...big time. In my area, that is the reason...poor coverage, dropped calls, et cetera. It's unfortunate that Apple picked a second-rate cell phone service provider, but, hey, that isn't my fault.

 

[yg17]

It might have to do with the fact that AT&T sucketh...big time. In my area, that is the reason...poor coverage, dropped calls, et cetera. It's unfortunate that Apple picked a second-rate cell phone service provider, but, hey, that isn't my fault.

AT&T works great in my area. I've never had a dropped call, some of my friends with Verizon can't make the same claim.

Just because they don't work for you, doesn't mean they're bad all over

 

[Hmac]

It might have to do with the fact that AT&T sucketh...big time. In my area, that is the reason...poor coverage, dropped calls, et cetera. It's unfortunate that Apple picked a second-rate cell phone service provider, but, hey, that isn't my fault.

AT&T works great here, 3G is much faster than 1X EV/DO, call quality is good, no dropped calls, good customer service.

My wife and kids use iPhones. I have to use Verizon because of work. No complaints about Verizon other than the slow broadband and there very uninspired lineup of smart phones. Droid may change that, but I expect we'll see an AT&T Droid soon, and likely a Verizon iPhone.

 

[SAD*FACED*CLOWN]

It might have to do with the fact that AT&T sucketh...big time. In my area, that is the reason...poor coverage, dropped calls, et cetera. It's unfortunate that Apple picked a second-rate cell phone service provider, but, hey, that isn't my fault.

Second rate eh? with the first rate device on it's network....anyways....there are other reason Apple isn't going to go to verizon at this point in time

1. Incompatible, inferior network (data and concurrent voice is a BIG deal even if Verizon fanboys disagree)

2. Google is courting AT&T(if Apple leaves AT&T, Google will partner with AT&T)

3. Verizon continues to attack iPhone in ads

 

[Penguissimo]

Second rate eh? with the first rate device on it's network....anyways....there are other reason Apple isn't going to go to verizon at this point in time

1. Incompatible, inferior network (data and concurrent voice is a BIG deal even if Verizon fanboys disagree)

2. Google is courting AT&T(if Apple leaves AT&T, Google will partner with AT&T)

3. Verizon continues to attack iPhone in ads

You've posted this list in two separate threads already, and I have to say I don't entirely understand it.

1. Good point about the incompatible network (hence why you can't use even an unlocked iPhone with Verizon), but there aren't any huge technical hurdles to developing a CDMA iPhone. Look at the Motorola Droid—they released the Milestone (the GSM version) in Europe and Canada. And "inferior"? It's pretty well beyond dispute that Verizon's network offers much better coverage than AT&T. And maybe data and concurrent voice is a "BIG" deal for you, but quite honestly I have a hard time believing that people would even know about this if it hadn't been part of AT&T's marketing. "Fanboys" indeed.

2. What? Where are you getting this? There are Android phones (none of which are actually manufactured by Google) on every network. And of all the US carriers, AT&T's Android phone offering is by far the weakest. Not to mention Google's historical association with T-Mobile. Do you really believe that they're just itching to partner up with AT&T, but Apple won't let them? Do you have anything to back this up?

3. Good point; this is NOT a good way to get into Steve's good graces. It's tempting to think that he wouldn't let personal feelings get in the way of good business, but you never know.

That being said, I agree that a Verizon iPhone is unlikely this year. If nothing else, the CEO's remarks a few weeks ago (along the lines of "Hey Apple, we'll take the iPhone as soon as you're willing to sign a deal with us!") indicate that a deal isn't imminent.

 

[SAD*FACED*CLOWN]

You've posted this list in two separate threads already, and I have to say I don't entirely understand it.

1. Good point about the incompatible network (hence why you can't use even an unlocked iPhone with Verizon), but there aren't any huge technical hurdles to developing a CDMA iPhone. Look at the Motorola Droid—they released the Milestone (the GSM version) in Europe and Canada. And "inferior"? It's pretty well beyond dispute that Verizon's network offers much better coverage than AT&T. And maybe data and concurrent voice is a "BIG" deal for you, but quite honestly I have a hard time believing that people would even know about this if it hadn't been part of AT&T's marketing. "Fanboys" indeed.

2. What? Where are you getting this? There are Android phones (none of which are actually manufactured by Google) on every network. And of all the US carriers, AT&T's Android phone offering is by far the weakest. Not to mention Google's historical association with T-Mobile. Do you really believe that they're just itching to partner up with AT&T, but Apple won't let them? Do you have anything to back this up?

3. Good point; this is NOT a good way to get into Steve's good graces. It's tempting to think that he wouldn't let personal feelings get in the way of good business, but you never know.

That being said, I agree that a Verizon iPhone is unlikely this year. If nothing else, the CEO's remarks a few weeks ago (along the lines of "Hey Apple, we'll take the iPhone as soon as you're willing to sign a deal with us!") indicate that a deal isn't imminent.

I'm speculating....if Apple and AT&T part ways Google will step in...in fact Google is licking it's chops for the opportunity...Tmobile is not really a factor in this because of it's lower subscriber base...and when I say Google I mean Google not just android phones...Google wants a carrier to partner with...it should be obvious that they are following Apple's mobile delivery strategy..the only exception is they don't have a US partner (yet) and have to sell their devices independently...

 

[Penguissimo]

I'm speculating....if Apple and AT&T part ways Google will step in...in fact Google is licking it's chops for the opportunity...Tmobile is not really a factor in this because of it's lower subscriber base...and when I say Google I mean Google not just android phones...Google wants a carrier to partner with...it should be obvious that they are following Apple's mobile delivery strategy..the only exception is they don't have a US partner (yet) and have to sell their devices independently...

But they HAVE a carrier to partner with, sort of. The G1 and the Nexus One both debuted on T-Mobile, which I agree is not a good choice of carrier partner given their small size. But it's not like AT&T is the giant of the industry and everyone is beating down the door to get a piece of that pie. And even if Google does develop more of a presence on AT&T (AT&T's Android phone offerings are, right now, pretty weak compared to the other three carriers), it's hard to imagine them signing the kind of exclusivity agreement that Apple has, especially with the hit AT&T's reputation has taken lately.

In fact, all evidence points to the idea that Google is trying to influence the US market away from the traditional "device subsidized by, sold through, and locked to a carrier" model (which Apple hardly invented—they just did it better than anyone before). Look at the N1 launch—available only online and sold by Google, and promised availability on at least three of the four major carriers in the US.

I'm not saying I'm right; I certainly don't hang out with Eric Schmidt on a regular basis. But to me it's not obvious at all that Google is trying to follow Apple's strategy. The fact that their OS is available for use by any handset manufacturer (and that they don't even MAKE their own flagship phone) says the opposite.

Not attacking you or saying you're wrong, just trying to figure out what you mean.

 

[Hmac]

I'm speculating....if Apple and AT&T part ways Google will step in...in fact Google is licking it's chops for the opportunity...Tmobile is not really a factor in this because of it's lower subscriber base...and when I say Google I mean Google not just android phones...Google wants a carrier to partner with...it should be obvious that they are following Apple's mobile delivery strategy..the only exception is they don't have a US partner (yet) and have to sell their devices independently...

Google is already going to step in. Apple knows their own vulnerability there being tethered to only one US cellular provider. Likewise, Verizon knows that Google is going to manufacture GSM phones and sees their vulnerability. The next few moves in this chess match are pretty obvious I think.

 

[iTouch]

WCDMA is the 3G that AT&T and other GSM carriers use. It has absolutely nothing to do with the CDMA that Verizon uses. Thus, their GSM/WCDMA chip is exactly what Apple needs for the iPhone.

A duplexer is needed along with other changes to make a Verizon iPhone, a reality. The parts are fully functional components used in other cell CDMA phones.