To all the trouble making mac haters

[miles01110]

I have a 2006 Macbook Pro, and it used to run very hot until I had the motherboard replaced last year. Now it is just lukewarm all of the time, thanks to the heat conduction properties of metal. Anyway, I don't think it's hot because of the materials used in the chassis, I think it's hot because the components they put in it put out too much heat and Apple's process for applying internal heat-dissipation components is flawed.

While I don't agree that the Unibody Macbook (Pros) are designed to use the entire "brick" construction as a heat sink (it's a fairly coincidental side effect that it dissipates heat), it's safe to say that there are dangers involved with insulating all of your heat-producing components in a very closed plastic housing as well.

FX is right about aluminum being soft, but from a business and design standpoint it's not that bad for several reasons; mainly it's cheap, lightweight, and lends itself well to both machining and anodization (which also makes it harder). Aluminum as a "pro feature" is just marketing.

 

[iMacmatician]

Urm....specialization? I was comparing laptops to laptops. You're comparing laptops with tablets, workstations, servers. Macs have everything you mentioned except digitizers because apple doesn't have a tablet but may have one in the works.

Actually, there are laptops with quad-cores or dual LCDs. Digitizers I'm not sure but I'm assuming they exist on some laptops.

 

[cherry su]

Actually, there are laptops with quad-cores or dual LCDs. Digitizers I'm not sure but I'm assuming they exist on some laptops.

the thinkpad W700 has an optional digitizer

 

[Beric]

I feel that PC's are a lot better for specific things, such as gaming. However, I prefer OS X to work and browse the internet. However, I feel that the higher cost of a Mac negates some of those things.

I'm not one to say PC's or Macs are always better. However, due to the cost issue, PC's are definitely better for me, and, I would argue, for a lot of other people who may not realize it.

 

[sharp65]

Your "facts" make you no better than the mac haters, your just as guilty. It's hard to tell if your trolling or not, if your not than thats quite sad.

 

[Goona]

As Apple gets more popular, prepare for more of these "haters". Look at the shuffle update today, you would think Apple started a world war. Read some of the comments and attention the update got around the world with all the bickering. Get used to it, it will only get worse. I think to some hating on Apple is cool like hating on Microsoft is cool to others, they need to get a life.

 

[steve2112]

As Apple gets more popular, prepare for more of these "haters". Look at the shuffle update today, you would think Apple started a world war. Read some of the comments and attention the update got around the world with all the bickering. Get used to it, it will only get worse. I think to some hating on Apple is cool like hating on Microsoft is cool to others, they need to get a life.

While I realize that people on both sides take things to an extreme, there are some legit gripes. It really cracks me up how fans on both sides take any criticism of their chosen product as "hating".

Look, I like Apple, but they do some things that just baffle me, and this Shuffle update is one. So, now I can't use my favorite headphones with this new Shuffle. And I either have to use the special Apple earbuds (which I generally don't like), or use a special adapter. Thanks, Apple.

 

[miles01110]

Look, I like Apple, but they do some things that just baffle me, and this Shuffle update is one. So, now I can't use my favorite headphones with this new Shuffle. And I either have to use the special Apple earbuds (which I generally don't like), or use a special adapter. Thanks, Apple.

Or you could just not buy one. Part of the problem is this fantasy that one will buy every single product Apple produces, and that something perceived as a design flaw will somehow personally affect them.

 

[clevin]

just change title to "another pc vs mac thread, with more splash!"

 

[Pnut13]

i think that the OP had some good points, the best one in MY opinion is that Windows crashes a lot.
Before my PC bit the dust i had XP Service Pack 3 and i bought Roxio Creator 2009, the program after 2-3 times of opening it crashed and it was because of some file in the laser mouse (made by Microsoft).
Just so you know, I used to take great care, upgrading service packs and using a firewall so when i had problems they were 99.99% camer back to the Windows operating system. Period.

I bought Parallels 4 for Mac and got a few of the Windows 7 builds, 3 different ones and they all crash! I know they are all betas, but one had where the bar froze the program on the bottom, then disappeared
The other build of 7, Word 2003 quit unexpectedly
Roxio09 is still a problem on all three builds of Windows 7's


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Sure Windows is great for gaming, but thats it! And thats only after peoples Xbox 360's break and they have to play online, which doesnt matter to me at all. It only matters to a fraction of people that play online (whether on a console or PC)

I am not Anti Microsoft but to say that the OP is wrong on all parts is wrong on other posters who disagree with him, even though OPs anger is misguided a little.

/end rant

 

[steve2112]

i think that the OP had some good points, the best one in MY opinion is that Windows crashes a lot.
Before my PC bit the dust i had XP Service Pack 3 and i bought Roxio Creator 2009, the program after 2-3 times of opening it crashed and it was because of some file in the laser mouse (made by Microsoft).
Just so you know, I used to take great care, upgrading service packs and using a firewall so when i had problems they were 99.99% camer back to the Windows operating system. Period.

I bought Parallels 4 for Mac and got a few of the Windows 7 builds, 3 different ones and they all crash! I know they are all betas, but one had where the bar froze the program on the bottom, then disappeared
The other build of 7, Word 2003 quit unexpectedly
Roxio09 is still a problem on all three builds of Windows 7's


/end rant

Well, there is your problem: Roxio. I really do not like Roxio at all. It's a bloated, unstable piece of junk. Sadly, though, Nero has been falling into the same boat with the last couple of versions.

Here is the deal with the supposed instability of Windows. They have come a long way from the terrible days of all too frequent blue screens in Win98 or ME. Since SP2, XP has been remarkable stable. Most crashes now are caused by shoddy coding by 3rd party software companies, not the OS itself. I'm not saying Windows never crashes, but it isn't as bad as Apple ads or others would have you believe.

The problem is this: Microsoft allowing their OS to be installed on an compatible platform has been a blessing and a curse. It's a blessing because it got them 90% of the market. It's a curse because their software has to try and support thousands of different hardware variations. This is where Apple has a big advantage. They can write their OS to only support their hardware, which is much more limited, which does make OSX more stable.

 

[Pnut13]

Well, there is your problem: Roxio. I really do not like Roxio at all. It's a bloated, unstable piece of junk. Sadly, though, Nero has been falling into the same boat with the last couple of versions.

Here is the deal with the supposed instability of Windows. They have come a long way from the terrible days of all too frequent blue screens in Win98 or ME. Since SP2, XP has been remarkable stable. Most crashes now are caused by shoddy coding by 3rd party software companies, not the OS itself. I'm not saying Windows never crashes, but it isn't as bad as Apple ads or others would have you believe.

The problem is this: Microsoft allowing their OS to be installed on an compatible platform has been a blessing and a curse. It's a blessing because it got them 90% of the market. It's a curse because their software has to try and support thousands of different hardware variations. This is where Apple has a big advantage. They can write their OS to only support their hardware, which is much more limited, which does make OSX more stable.

windows has come a ways, but it still has a ways to go, and it will never catch up, because of what you just said and the fact that it needs so mutch patching because it is writen off of MS Dos and that was never built to be a part of Computer networks (businesses especially) and this thing we call the web. They are patching up large holes with bandaids and once one is fixed, another pops up.
I dont care anymore how much of a market they get. I want a reliable computer. I need it for video editing and photo editing also, i do not need a video game machine for a computer (I have Wii and PS3) Windows just does not hack it anymore for me.....and i am sure that I am not the only one, once people see Windows 7 in all its glory, and not just MS fanboys.

 

[FX120]

windows has come a ways, but it still has a ways to go, and it will never catch up, because of what you just said and the fact that it needs so mutch patching because it is writen off of MS Dos and that was never built to be a part of Computer networks (businesses especially) and this thing we call the web. They are patching up large holes with bandaids and once one is fixed, another pops up.
I dont care anymore how much of a market they get. I want a reliable computer. I need it for video editing and photo editing also, i do not need a video game machine for a computer (I have Wii and PS3) Windows just does not hack it anymore for me.....and i am sure that I am not the only one, once people see Windows 7 in all its glory, and not just MS fanboys.

Wow. Go read up on the history of Windows NT, then come back.

 

[Pnut13]

Wow. Go read up on the history of Windows NT, then come back.

wow
Up to windows 2000 it was writen from DOS, then NT was the start of all windows platforms that were from C and C+

you are totally missing my point they are not machines that are meant to be used on networks, and ironically that is what most are used for, on networks and to get on the web. They are still not stable, have tons of holes (many more that any system update on X, but yet it(windows) is still unstable!!!!)

 

[steveza]

windows has come a ways, but it still has a ways to go, and it will never catch up, because of what you just said and the fact that it needs so mutch patching because it is writen off of MS Dos and that was never built to be a part of Computer networks (businesses especially) and this thing we call the web. They are patching up large holes with bandaids and once one is fixed, another pops up.

Sorry to say mate but you don't really understand the OS you are bashing. You clearly don't like Windows, and that's fine too, so you don't have to make up reasons to dislike it.

The current versions of Windows are based on NT which was based OS/2 and the last version of Windows to use MS-DOS was 98.

 

[FX120]

wow
Up to windows 2000 it was writen from DOS, then NT was the start of all windows platforms that were from C and C+

you are totally missing my point they are not machines that are meant to be used on networks, and ironically that is what most are used for, on networks and to get on the web. They are still not stable, have tons of holes (many more that any system update on X, but yet it(windows) is still unstable!!!!)

You're completley wrong.

The current versions of Windows are based on NT which was based OS/2 and the last version of Windows to use MS-DOS was 98.

I don't think that NT was "based off" of OS/2, I believe it was written from the ground up, although able to use a OS/2 applications, along with DOS, POSIX, and Win32 applications.

And Windows ME was the last version to be based on MS-DOS.

 

[steveza]

I don't think that NT was "based off" of OS/2, I believe it was written from the ground up, although able to use a OS/2 applications, along with DOS, POSIX, and Win32 applications.

NT3.0 was actually called OS/2 NT3 when IBM was still on board. NT3.1 Was MS doing OS/2 without IBM.

And Windows ME was the last version to be based on MS-DOS

I ignore that fact the ME happened

 

[nateDEEZY]

Ever notice how most Mac users are skinny? It's because of all the calories they burn because they can't shut the f*** up about how great their Macs are. What is it about Apple that makes its users unable to shut their mouths? Everywhere I go, there's another ***hole with a Mac preaching about how much better Macs are than PCs. They regurgitate lines directly from Apple's marketing campaign, like "it just works."

QFT, OP is just an example of this. Ignore these haters and just play with your toys. Why bother creating a thread welcoming fanboys and trolls?

After the recent Apple conference, Mac fans were elated. One person was quoted as saying "I've had a Macintosh now for a total of 35 days, and I'm really excited to be part of the Mac community." Part of the Mac community? It's a computer, not a social movement, ***hole! I feel like Apple is not just selling computers, they're selling a way of life, and I'm not ready to be that heavily invested in a product.

Source: The Best Page in the Universe

 

[FX120]

NT3.0 was actually called OS/2 NT3 when IBM was still on board. NT3.1 Was MS doing OS/2 without IBM.

Right, I believe it was one of like four versions of OS/2 that they were working on at the time. But I don't believe it shared any "core code" from OS/2, just a compatability layer for OS/2 API's.

I ignore that fact the ME happened

Not hard to do. I think I've run into a grand total of 1 computer running Melinum Edition ever.

 

[steve2112]

Right, I believe it was one of like four versions of OS/2 that they were working on at the time. But I don't believe it shared any "core code" from OS/2, just a compatability layer for OS/2 API's.


Not hard to do. I think I've run into a grand total of 1 computer running Melinum Edition ever.

Consider yourself lucky.

I actually saw one as recently as 2007, and it was still operational. The owner brought it into the shop where I was working, and wanted us to get it "back on the internet". The NIC in it had died, and we had a heck of a time trying to get a replacement. Trying to find drivers that would actually work was loads of fun. The younger techs were fascinated by this antique.

Edit: I just wanted to add some anecdotal evidence. I have an old, generic white box PC at home. It was given to me a couple of years ago, after a customer decided to buy a new machine instead of replacing the bad hard drive. In 2 or so years, I have never had it blue screen. My Dell laptop at work has never blue screened. In fact, outside of a hardware failure, or virus infection, I haven't seen too many random blue screens from XP. (And for the record, I have never had a virus or spyware on any of my PCs)

 

[Pnut13]

Sorry to say mate but you don't really understand the OS you are bashing. You clearly don't like Windows, and that's fine too, so you don't have to make up reasons to dislike it.

The current versions of Windows are based on NT which was based OS/2 and the last version of Windows to use MS-DOS was 98.

You're completley wrong.


I don't think that NT was "based off" of OS/2, I believe it was written from the ground up, although able to use a OS/2 applications, along with DOS, POSIX, and Win32 applications.

And Windows ME was the last version to be based on MS-DOS.

Actually the original Apple OS and Windows 1-2-3-3.1-95-98-ME were all stolen from Xerox and the Next computer. Then Windows NT and on were based off of C. I understand that, i made a mistake and i am sorry i am not as great as you guys, for i make mistakes and forget things
But that takes it off my point Windows is still a faulty system because it has more bugs than any system... Linix, OS X, etc. It still does, i dont know if any of you guys have tried Windows 7 but it is not a perfect product at all. Windows will never be because it is not Unix based like OSX. Now does OSX not get bugs or need updates, of course it does still get bugs and needs updates but it runs better for me, and that is what i care about.

Saying that i clearly dont like windows? is it ok that i dont like it because i have gone tired of it in the last 20 years of using it???? will you guys give me that? Is it ok that i think that the only thing that windows does well... is high end games??? can you give me that????? Geez, you would think i was on a MS forum here

I dont hate MS or Windows, i am just saying it is faulty...... just because i goofed up a fact about it does not mean that i dont have the right to have opinions.

 

[steveza]

It still does, i dont know if any of you guys have tried Windows 7 but it is not a perfect product at all.

Indeed, I'm using it right now. It's isn't perfect that is true but it's still a beta so we can't really expect it to be.

Windows will never be because it is not Unix based like OSX. Now does OSX not get bugs or need updates, of course it does still get bugs and needs updates but it runs better for me, and that is what i care about.

I think that was the point I was trying to make (in a round about way I guess) is that it comes down to personal preference. I don't think OS X is perfect either for lots of reasons but I use it on a daily basis (mainly at home) and it does exactly what I need it to do. I also use Windows on a daily basis for the same reason. Both have flaws and strengths.

Is it ok that i think that the only thing that windows does well... is high end games??? can you give me that?????

You are entitled to think whatever you like but you would be wrong on this point. Most enterprise size companies depend on Windows to keep their businesses going - there is no viable alternative.

I dont hate MS or Windows, i am just saying it is faulty...... just because i goofed up a fact about it does not mean that i dont have the right to have opinions.

Everyone has a right to their opinions - just accept that people may disagree with you. Just because Windows isn't based on UNIX doesn't mean that it's faulty though. It means that they have had to work much harder to secure it over the years and the current products (Windows 7 & Server 2008 R2) will prove to be exceptional in this area.

 

[SkyBell]

No. Just no. You have a right to an opinion, but spewing out crap that only a fool would believe, and touting it as "fact" is where I draw the line.

You hate Windows? Fine. Do you want to discuss why you dislike it? Fine. Don't pull up crap like you did and proclaim yourself the authority on the matter. Same goes for OS X. Is Windows better then OS X? No. Is OS X better then Windows? No. It's all relative to your needs, and you need to understand that.

Windows "haters" are as much of a problem as Mac "haters". Both sides throw mud at each other and no one comes out alive. These people are the ones who try to make others choose sides to prove a point that is not only unprovable, but pointless as well. Who even cares?!

Debates like this are not what this community is here for. Windows vs. Mac debates are an unavoidable occurrence, but they can and should exist in more civilized manner's then this one has.

 

[iNikon]

Dude, it's you that needs a life. Good grief.

A letter to all the trouble making mac haters.

1) Hating on macs in a forum created to cater to mac users is unproductive.

2) Hating on apples hardware is ridiculous. If you don't like it, don't buy it. What your doing is comparing the price of a honda to a rolls royce. Sure they both have 4 wheels and a motor but that rolls royce has a higher build quality.

3) Stop saying Dell's are a better deal then macs.
3a) Dell uses low quality cheap parts
3b) Just because your dell has 6 gigs of ddr2 660mhz ram does not make it better then a mac pro with 4 gigs of ddr3 1100mhz ram.
3c) Dells customer service is horrid. Don't believe me? Call them and ask for help with a complex problem. Still don't believe me? call them and ask for help with a simple problem. They will make you run through the same steps.
3d) Dell cuts corners. Don't believe me? Look inside your dell, now look at the inside of a mac pro.
3e) Dell XPS is not the same as an imac, imacs are all in one, dell xps are desktops.

4) Macs OS is better then windows, stop arguing its just a fact.
4a) Mac osx uses ram much more efficiently
4b) Mac OSX uses less CPU, not just for apps but for general use. Move a window around in vista or even XP, thats right your cpu usage just jumped to about 20-40%.
4c) 1 app crashing won't bring your system down like in windows
4d) Mac osx is easier to use. Dont argue, just compare macs system preferences to vista control panel.
4e) NO DRIVERS in mac osx

5) If you don't like macs, don't comment! No one wants to hear why you think mac suck.

6) Not everyone buys there computer to game, most people have lives, we don't have time to game or chose not to.

 

[garybUK]

Microsoft had two product families;

Dos based: Windows 3, 3.1, 3.11, 95, 98, ME

NT based: Windows NT 3.1, 3.5, 4.0, 5.0 (2000), 5.1 (XP), 5.2 (XP 64bit, 2003 Server), 6.0 (Vista), 6.1 (Windows 7)

Since XP there hasn't been a DOS based OS from Microsoft.

And it's LINUX not LINIX