my past 3 windows laptop , all broken keyboard after 3 years.Using imac because frustrated about keyboard.
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Even it is version 3, it may or may not work well. Could be that they screwed up with the design right at the beginning and it is hard to improve it. Could require a big redesign. Only time can tell.
I owned several Thinkpad 20 years ago. They were good and IBM provided excellent services. Don't know Lenovo services now but people said that it is not as good as IBM's.
I am considering to move to Lenovo but they don't have a store in my city and some users complain about their services. Now I am hesitating. I also need to turn it to a triple boot laptop (Linux, Hackintosh and Windows). Not sure how smooth Hackintosh will go.
If I go for the MBP 2018, it will be for Apple's after services rather than the hardware itself.
That's basically a large part of my buying decision as well. What I get with sticking with the apple ecosystem vs. getting a windows machine.
I don't have my mind made up, but the Dell XPS is on my short list. HP has a new 2 in 1 15" laptop that looks interesting as well, and @robbietop mentioned ASUS. I've also heard good things from them so they may make the cut to consider as well
Some forum users mentioned that they have no issues with their Hackintosh but others mentioned that it is hard to maintain. I guess it depends on many factors since there are so many different components offered in the PC industries.
Perhaps just get the MBP 2018 and consider a bad luck to be stuck with the Apple under money-driven CEO. I consider the MBP 2017 rubbish (from the keyboard to TB down to the down graded power cable) after using it for almost two weeks. The MBP 2018 probably may not be a lot better since there will be no major redesign probably until 2020.It will not be the happiest purchase but could save some time and troubles that Windows laptop manufacturer and Hackintosh could cause.
I've done a hackintosh years ago. It all depends on the hardware, but any updates or worse upgrades, opens the door to issues. I think hackintoshes work for hobbyiests and enthusets. I personally wouldn't want to use one for work. Plus I found you may spend more time tinkering with the system then doing what you needed done. If you want to use macOS or stay in the ecosystem. The best long term solution is to buy a mac. Feel free to disagree, its just my opinion and if you want to down that path, more power to you.
PC workstations usually have 3 years on site warranty (next day repair at home/business place) included in price (if not you can buy extra warranty for fraction), Apple has only 1 year warranty (you have to pay a lot for Apple Care if you need 3 years warranty) and if something will go wrong you need wait few days to get appointment + few days for repair, this is not premium quality service, if you have business this point can be crucial
Are you comparing professional workstations that cost several thousands of dollars vs a consumer desktop/laptops? Btw, Dell's and HP's consumer products only carry a 1 year warranty standard.
Looking at replacing my rMB with a Lenovo Yoga or Dell XPS 13 and both have the option to extend to 3 years but only come with a one year as standard. In both cases, significantly less than Apple Care.
Yes, and I'll say both laptops are probably priced significantly less then Apple's. My point is that we should be comparing apples to apples (no pun intended).
Ok, well the 2016 mbp is barely two years old and there have been issues on a large scale. What’s your point?
I know OP said he's not interested in Linux, but I have yet to find a PC that runs Windows better than Linux. Most of the time, I find the Windows OS has problems with Wi-Fi cards, HDMI monitors, etc., and Linux on the same machine just works.
I haven't had to monkey with anything configuration-wise or install odd-ball applications in a long time. Ubuntu is my Linux of choice and they have a app store-like interface for installing new software. Since almost everything is done in a browser nowadays, the base OS is making less and less of a difference. MacOS just works. Linux just works. Windows doesn't.
I haven't had to monkey with anything configuration-wise or install odd-ball applications in a long time. Ubuntu is my Linux of choice and they have a app store-like interface for installing new software. Since almost everything is done in a browser nowadays, the base OS is making less and less of a difference. MacOS just works. Linux just works. Windows doesn't.
The main purpose of this computer will be using Microsoft Office for my business, so Linux is a no go.
My point is, use external keyboard if available. Doesn't matter it was macbook pro or windows laptop. Laptop are not used to pro-long abuse.
The problem is the keyboard is failing through normal use, not abuse.
Good choice, but if you come to use Firefox with add-ons as your disposal, you'll have a much larger area to work with.
It's the only reason why i prefer Firefox just because of the vast amount of add-ons. I just think if you gotta stick to using default manufactures app, as the reason to stay with a Mac, that's not really thinking openly. since you can swich of open source a Molliza works across platform.
I still prefer Mac because i don't need the complexity of Windows.
..and despite the version x. it would still fail anyway... I'm conning to the conclusion Windows laptops could be better, even though their are not built to *last* ... At one point i'd had expected this from Apple in the early days, but no longer.
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MBP 2016 and 2017 fail from Day 1 because of the keyboard. With Windows laptops, at least and hopefully the fail after longer use.
I have a 6 year old HP G7. I've never owned an Apple computer.
My laptop is still chugging along. I use it to modify my Android devices with ROMs and the ones I can't root, with Andromeda.
I can run most programs for daily use but for some of the more graphic or resource intensive, I don't know how it would hold up.
Edit: It also handled the transition to Windows 10 better than I expected.
My laptop is still chugging along. I use it to modify my Android devices with ROMs and the ones I can't root, with Andromeda.
I can run most programs for daily use but for some of the more graphic or resource intensive, I don't know how it would hold up.
Edit: It also handled the transition to Windows 10 better than I expected.
Normal usage also broke ? For me, my work more on typing so can call it as abuse. Rarely play games, but still broke my windows laptop. I do hope this magic keyboard 2017 will last long,but i do annoy with chiclet keyboard. To small . I also have external logitech bluetooth keyboard. And it pretty laggy .
If you don't care about gaming and don't need massive resources, you'll be better served by the mac IMHO.
The OS is light years ahead for the average user (windows 10, after 3 years is still a basket case in terms of consistency, etc.), the applications are better and Apple's privacy policy is superior.
disclaimer:
I run Windows, macOS, Linux, iOS and a variety of consoles...
You can buy 15.6" refurb Thinkpad, Dell Precision or HP Zbook for less than $2000
Looks you don't have any basic knowledge about the market stating this point
update:
price of brand new HP ZBook Studio G4 UHD Mobile Workstation NVIDIA Quadro (15.6") is £2,043.60
i7 CPU, 16GB DDR4, 512GB SSD, 3 years warranty
15-inch MacBook Pro Touch Bar and Touch ID 2.8GHz Processor 256GB Storage is £2,349.00
1 year warranty
consumer ASUS line, Gigabyte or MSI have 2 years warranty
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i have a 2014 Dell XPS 8700 still is as fast as the day i bought it. i would buy it again.
Ever though of just getting the office apps for your iPad Pro with a keyboard and get almost everything you want with it?
Newbie on this forum here but it is usually not recommended to tell someone who has never touched a windows machine to get a windows machine, especially with most new laptop with Windows 10 will focus update until you unknowingly breaks something you usually use or the bloatware(unwanted softwares) gets in the way and slow everything down. Windows (all versions) overall requires more time and dedication to maintenance the machine to get stability (you could get driver issue, software issue, a lot of bloatware that slows the pc, etc) then a Mac because Mac is based on a small selection of Apple machines (bloatware is never the problem). So unless you came for gaming or entertainment (didn't work? whatever, I'll play on the iPad), windows could get you quite frustrated.
In addition, you've said that you are "ready to upgrade". From wording, that just meant you just wanted new hardware. Without indication your true reason is because your software is getting/feeling slow or hardware is breaking apart, your most straight forward solution is to get the newest Mac available. For portability wit office and light surfing use, a Macbook Air might meet every requirement you want (get an older version if you wanted to avoid this gen problem). Not to mention, with a Mac you have a choice in installing other OS later on.
Since I've presume you don't use any of the office macro and VBA scripting, your iPad Pro is actually your next best and simple solution. Like I've said, get a keyboard (bluetooth) and the office apps and you're done, office and light surfing all in one.
Linux is an off-topic item not directly related to hardware choice so I normally would not care to recommend, but most popular linux distribution has everything you want in terms of office and surfing right out the box. To get linux all you need is a usb, download and setup linux installer on the usb, and boot your current Mac with the usb. Click on try linux and BAM office and surfing all right there. Switching back to Mac is as simple as a quick shutdown. Linux could be your choice only if you wanted to "continue to use old hardware" but your current Mac is getting slow (due to software or hardware).
So getting a new Mac would be the recommended choice. But If you really wanted to jump on and try the Windows ship, these are some windows pc brand choices you could pick.
ThinkPad - This is Lenovo business focus windows laptop series. With bigger battery come with thicker thickness, it has the up side of having the least bloatware preinstalled with the main focus on office and surfing.
Dell /hp - They recently have more thin laptop options here which are focus on portability and light use, which meet your office and surfing requirement. However depends on the series there could be a few to a lot of bloatware.
Asus/ Lenovo - The few remaining brand with 2in1 laptop-tablet computer. You get this only if you want to flip your laptop to a tablet. Bloatware is to be expected.
Everything else - so much bloatware you'll want to buy a new windows laptop 1-2years later.
tl;dr I recommend you to get a new Mac or use your iPad. Windows laptop can be quite frustrated.
As one who has this and a Pencil, the Office apps for the IPP are far less capable than on a PC or MB.
I have the office apps on my ipad and they work quite well for what I need. There are just those few tasks that I still need a proper computer. I would like to get a new machine before my current one craps out. Now I’m forced to hope for a September refresh or move to a windows machine. I’m not buying a 2017 mbp.
If ipad can run normal osx.. I'm sure alot of people want also .
Raise your hand..
