I don’t think you could tho. Let’s say you wanted to build a “top-spec” gaming rig. I’d say the 3090 ti is the top spec for that and a quick Google search says that card is $2000 that one piece of a PC is already more than a basic Mac and with the Mac you could get a display a keyboard and the rest of the computer. I don’t think you could build anything close to top spec without spending at least the same cost as a Mac.
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Too many people hate Apple for no reason
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It’s easier to tell yourself you don’t like something than to spend money you don’t have on something you don’t need but want.
Was thinking more along the lines of a 3080/Ti. I have some builds written down and are arguably better value for those who want great gaming performance. But I and like many others are not within that group of people and I am not concerned about that hobby much.
Reading comments on Mac Rumors forums and articles will eventually turn anyone into an Apple Hater.
We’ll a 3080 ti isn’t really top spec. If it’s value you’re after and you’re a video editor I’d find it hard to believe you could beat the Apple Silicon stuff for any less.
...PC GPU prices are ridiculous at the moment because of a combination of chip shortages and their use in crypto mining. That may be a temporary phase, and hasn't been true in the past.
In any case, a $2000 Mac - certainly one with display and keyboard (i.e. an M1 iMac or base 14" MacBook Pro with binned M1 Pro) - simply doesn't have the graphics power of a "top spec" PC gaming GPU. M1/M1 Pro are very impressive in the unprecedented level of power they can deliver in a thin, light laptop with good battery life, but they're only comparable to a so-so desktop GPU, especially when running software that hasn't been optimised specifically for Metal/M1. Even with the M1 max/Ultra where there's more of a contest, the Mac's strength seems to be in those media processors that rip through video editing and rendering - which is great for the main Mac target markets, but if you specifically want a gaming rig - or something that can perform well with generic OpenGL/OpenCL/CUDA/DirectX software, a Mac simply isn't the right tool for the job.
Apple only make a fairly limited range of machines - where the products they offer mesh well with your requirements they can be great, but the PC world offers a lot more choice of form factors, configurations and specialist hardware and software. You won't win over haters without understanding their requirements and at least considering the possibility that, however much you love your Mac, an Apple product may not be the best solution to their needs.
Fanaticism around a tech company is nothing new or unique to Apple. But supporters and detractors will look different depending upon the target.
Q. So what is with people that are constantly bashing Apple?
A. There is no single reason, and I absolutely guarantee that any reason that is given will be rejected by those who are Apple supporters. And in return, any explanation given as to why that reason is not valid will also be rejected.
In the end, why does it matter? Are people's identity so wrapped up in the tech they use that a criticism of the company, their products and/or services is viewed as a personal attack?
I am regularly accused of simultaneously being an anti-Apple troll and pro-Apple apologist all within a single post. I chalk it up to the inability of some people to see beyond extreme -pro and -anti positions.
Agreed. It feels like the average Apple customer is a smock when you only go by these places.
I'm just appalled by the tendency of the public to define oneself by their own consumption.
What most likely titillates people is the ability that Apple has to transcend the tool like nature of a computer to infuse their product with symbolic purpose.
Whether it is the proof by performance per currency comparison or the sheer addiction to consumerism displayed by some of this forum's members, or even simply bourgeois jealousy towards someone with more expendable income, it all boils down to this fact.
The sane answer is to discard those dichotomic tendencies and evaluate items (and the people who use them) on a more rational basis.
But we may be too far into the feedback loop for that
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What most likely titillates people is the ability that Apple has to transcend the tool like nature of a computer to infuse their product with symbolic purpose.
Whether it is the proof by performance per currency comparison or the sheer addiction to consumerism displayed by some of this forum's members, or even simply bourgeois jealousy towards someone with more expendable income, it all boils down to this fact.
The sane answer is to discard those dichotomic tendencies and evaluate items (and the people who use them) on a more rational basis.
But we may be too far into the feedback loop for that
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Apple hating seems to be a prerequisite for those budding "squares" wanting to fit in into the PCGaming sub-culture.
You need to learn to not allow comments from strangers on YouTube or anywhere else (social media wise) to bother you. Commentary on YouTube is not meant to be MENSA quality.
I use 1Blocker to block all comments on YouTube. I don't have a desire to see a bunch of verbal diarrhea.
I've had my ups and downs with my feelings for Apple. All relationships are like that 😉
Totally loved Apple during the Steve Jobs era, never a doubt!
Then it have been more complicated, at times as I haven't loved or liked either Tim, or what has been going on with Apple all the time.
But I've learned to at least respect, and sometimes even like him today, as a very good CEO.
Lost my love for Apple too, at times. But never stopped liking the products and why I use them in the first place. No, Windows has never been or would ever be an option.
Totally loved Apple during the Steve Jobs era, never a doubt!
Then it have been more complicated, at times as I haven't loved or liked either Tim, or what has been going on with Apple all the time.
But I've learned to at least respect, and sometimes even like him today, as a very good CEO.
Lost my love for Apple too, at times. But never stopped liking the products and why I use them in the first place. No, Windows has never been or would ever be an option.
Too many people hates xyz for no reason.
Replace xyz with any brand, and that statement remains true.
The internet and social media simply amplifies the noise.
But there are valid reasons.
Many people I know who hated certain things tech are mostly due to them being used to/comfortable with a different way to do things. For example, I have a relative who are used to file management in Windows. For a phone, she prefers Android true and through because she is just not comfortable with the lack of file system access of iOS. Even with the Files app, it's too late as she is already entrenched in Android for years and adapting to something different is not worth her time. She is a professional (not tech related) so she needs tools that she is already familiar with.
The other side is the same. I know people who are sticking with iphones and hated Android because they don't have time to relearn how to use their tools.
Moral of the story, get the tools that work for you. Be grateful if you are gifted with tech literacy that allows you to enjoy and adapt to any platforms.
Replace xyz with any brand, and that statement remains true.
The internet and social media simply amplifies the noise.
But there are valid reasons.
Many people I know who hated certain things tech are mostly due to them being used to/comfortable with a different way to do things. For example, I have a relative who are used to file management in Windows. For a phone, she prefers Android true and through because she is just not comfortable with the lack of file system access of iOS. Even with the Files app, it's too late as she is already entrenched in Android for years and adapting to something different is not worth her time. She is a professional (not tech related) so she needs tools that she is already familiar with.
The other side is the same. I know people who are sticking with iphones and hated Android because they don't have time to relearn how to use their tools.
Moral of the story, get the tools that work for you. Be grateful if you are gifted with tech literacy that allows you to enjoy and adapt to any platforms.
Nailed it.
Our PM was an apple hater until he got a pay rise.
I can understand if you have specialist software needs but that shouldn’t make you hate something.
In my experience those who hate another platform do it because of their own misconceptions.
People hate Macs because they perceive Apple computers as too expensive, but a good chunk of those people are comparing a Mac to their 500€ plastic laptop, who still ships with a mechanical drive, a unusable trackpad, low-res screen and 3-4 hours battery life; the same goes for iDevices, of course the iPhone and the iPad are expensive if you're comparing them to a mid range phone or tablet.
Others hate on other platforms because of the learning curve, and I understand that, and I think this is in part due Apple's misleading marketing; every platform is easy to use once you've learned it, but every OS made by Apple does have a learning curve, it surely isn't as steep as Arch's of course, but it's there, and people who are used to perform basic tasks with their devices will find the curve too steep - I'm not tech illiterate, but whenever I need to take a screenshot on my Mac, I still end up googling the key combination -, so I think some people tried to use a Apple device thinking it was a breeze to use, then faced the learning curve, abandoned the platform and remained bitter towards Apple, it's the case of a friend of my uncle's, he bought everything from Apple, then the first time he couldn't open a file, instead of looking for a solution, he just sold everything, all of this in a matter of one week.
I used to hate everything Apple, I perceived Apple's products as overpriced, until I got a Samsung Galaxy S8 Plus and installed the first OS upgrade, in a matter of minutes the phone became noticeably slower, the touch input became less precise and responsive, and the battery life got cut; in the meanwhile two colleagues of mine had the iPhone 7, their phones were older than mine, running the latest OS and still flying, I asked them to let me try their phones, and then sold the S8 Plus and got an iPhone 8, then the 11 when it came out and I am not planning on buying an Android phone for the foreseeable future.
When I got my Mac the learning curve was there, as it was there when I decided to use Linux (Ubuntu), as it was there when I got Windows 10; one thing some people fail to realize is that using a different platform is a little bit like speaking in a foreign language, if you want to master a foreign language grammar and vocabulary are not enough, you need to be able to think in a different way, the same goes for operating systems. Now that I'm accustomed to macOS I prefer it over Windows and Linux, even though I still use all three of them - Linux is more of a pleasant hobby for me, though -.
Then of course you have the herd mentality, on the Internet it's very easy to develop it and being engulfed by it, on many websites or subreddits, if you don't conform then you'll be downvoted to hell, or even outright banned, for example once on reddit I was attacked because I said that I prefer Apple Music over Spotify, subjectively Apple Music sounded better to me and Apple Music's suggestion are more on point than Spotify's, I was told I was wrong, because, according to that user, Spotify used better encoding, so it was not possible for me to find Apple Music as the better sounding option, luckily I never visited a gaming forum and told everyone that I chose the Xbox over the PlayStation because I prefer the shape of the Xbox controller or that I consider Red Dead Redemption 2 as my worst game purchase...
So, if someone is reasonable in their hate towards a corporation, and there are many reasonable arguments to hate a whole slew of corporations, I like to have a conversation with them, even a lengthy conversation even if they're just strangers on the Internet, but if someone is hating just because then I'll just move on.
People hate Macs because they perceive Apple computers as too expensive, but a good chunk of those people are comparing a Mac to their 500€ plastic laptop, who still ships with a mechanical drive, a unusable trackpad, low-res screen and 3-4 hours battery life; the same goes for iDevices, of course the iPhone and the iPad are expensive if you're comparing them to a mid range phone or tablet.
Others hate on other platforms because of the learning curve, and I understand that, and I think this is in part due Apple's misleading marketing; every platform is easy to use once you've learned it, but every OS made by Apple does have a learning curve, it surely isn't as steep as Arch's of course, but it's there, and people who are used to perform basic tasks with their devices will find the curve too steep - I'm not tech illiterate, but whenever I need to take a screenshot on my Mac, I still end up googling the key combination -, so I think some people tried to use a Apple device thinking it was a breeze to use, then faced the learning curve, abandoned the platform and remained bitter towards Apple, it's the case of a friend of my uncle's, he bought everything from Apple, then the first time he couldn't open a file, instead of looking for a solution, he just sold everything, all of this in a matter of one week.
I used to hate everything Apple, I perceived Apple's products as overpriced, until I got a Samsung Galaxy S8 Plus and installed the first OS upgrade, in a matter of minutes the phone became noticeably slower, the touch input became less precise and responsive, and the battery life got cut; in the meanwhile two colleagues of mine had the iPhone 7, their phones were older than mine, running the latest OS and still flying, I asked them to let me try their phones, and then sold the S8 Plus and got an iPhone 8, then the 11 when it came out and I am not planning on buying an Android phone for the foreseeable future.
When I got my Mac the learning curve was there, as it was there when I decided to use Linux (Ubuntu), as it was there when I got Windows 10; one thing some people fail to realize is that using a different platform is a little bit like speaking in a foreign language, if you want to master a foreign language grammar and vocabulary are not enough, you need to be able to think in a different way, the same goes for operating systems. Now that I'm accustomed to macOS I prefer it over Windows and Linux, even though I still use all three of them - Linux is more of a pleasant hobby for me, though -.
Then of course you have the herd mentality, on the Internet it's very easy to develop it and being engulfed by it, on many websites or subreddits, if you don't conform then you'll be downvoted to hell, or even outright banned, for example once on reddit I was attacked because I said that I prefer Apple Music over Spotify, subjectively Apple Music sounded better to me and Apple Music's suggestion are more on point than Spotify's, I was told I was wrong, because, according to that user, Spotify used better encoding, so it was not possible for me to find Apple Music as the better sounding option, luckily I never visited a gaming forum and told everyone that I chose the Xbox over the PlayStation because I prefer the shape of the Xbox controller or that I consider Red Dead Redemption 2 as my worst game purchase...
So, if someone is reasonable in their hate towards a corporation, and there are many reasonable arguments to hate a whole slew of corporations, I like to have a conversation with them, even a lengthy conversation even if they're just strangers on the Internet, but if someone is hating just because then I'll just move on.
Exactly this. If you’re an adult and you somehow have a deep emotional feeling about a brand then perhaps you need help. I have preferences for brands and dislike some but I am not going to hate a brand just to hate it. I buy what works best for me at that moment. The OP mentioned HP and I’ve bought HP and recommend them for some purposes. I’m not a Google fan but there’s people I would recommend getting a Chromebook.
I like some Apple products but there’s lots of things Apple does that I really dislike. That’s OK because I’m not the center of the universe and I don’t have to like everything.
I must’ve met I do get satisfaction from seeing someone with this deep hatred for Apple get all emotional when they see me with an iPhone. Maybe I’m a terrible person 😂
I’ve never thought of this. I’ve seen this attitude from people when it comes to supercars. They will say things like “Ferrari is junk” or “I wouldn’t own a Lamborghini if you gave one to me”. Perhaps if they hate it then they don’t have to want it. I don’t feel that way myself because I absolutely love the Porsche 911 but I’ll never be able to afford one.
I have a 2019 refurbished iPad. Cost $209.
I prefer my 2019 Samsung Galaxy Tab A. It cost about $250 new.
I bad mouth Apple from experience.
I don’t hate Amazon, even if I have 2 dead tablets and 1 dead TV Stick.
I love the AIO form factor.
My 1st iMac was a 1999. Blueberry G3. I had plenty of trouble with it and my local Apple retailer blamed me.
I’ve had 100% bad luck with HP.
My HP AIO finally burned itself up. Always ran hot.
My 2nd iMac still boots, but Safari won’t go on the Web.
A 2007 20 inch 2GHz.
Kind of a love/hate situation.
Most expensive of all at over $1100 new.
My Dell AIO cost $700. 2015.
I could get by with Chrome OS. The only modern Chromebase is HP.
I could get a new Dell AIO, very basic but useful, for $600. 24 inch.
I don’t like my iPad versus my Samsung.
I also feel my Apple TV was the worst investment I’ve ever made.
64GB and I can’t install anything but apps.
Can do the same thing with the best Roku at half the cost.
The Apple TV OS is too much like the terrible OS from Amazon TV or another Android TV OS.
I don’t hate Apple exactly. I just don’t like them.
4 Apple devices and a so-so feeling overall.
Too much can’t do this, can’t do that.
I can put stuff on my Samsung with ease.
iPad requires standing on my head because Apple does it their way or the highway.
What else would you like to hear me complain about?
There’s more!
I prefer my 2019 Samsung Galaxy Tab A. It cost about $250 new.
I bad mouth Apple from experience.
I don’t hate Amazon, even if I have 2 dead tablets and 1 dead TV Stick.
I love the AIO form factor.
My 1st iMac was a 1999. Blueberry G3. I had plenty of trouble with it and my local Apple retailer blamed me.
I’ve had 100% bad luck with HP.
My HP AIO finally burned itself up. Always ran hot.
My 2nd iMac still boots, but Safari won’t go on the Web.
A 2007 20 inch 2GHz.
Kind of a love/hate situation.
Most expensive of all at over $1100 new.
My Dell AIO cost $700. 2015.
I could get by with Chrome OS. The only modern Chromebase is HP.
I could get a new Dell AIO, very basic but useful, for $600. 24 inch.
I don’t like my iPad versus my Samsung.
I also feel my Apple TV was the worst investment I’ve ever made.
64GB and I can’t install anything but apps.
Can do the same thing with the best Roku at half the cost.
The Apple TV OS is too much like the terrible OS from Amazon TV or another Android TV OS.
I don’t hate Apple exactly. I just don’t like them.
4 Apple devices and a so-so feeling overall.
Too much can’t do this, can’t do that.
I can put stuff on my Samsung with ease.
iPad requires standing on my head because Apple does it their way or the highway.
What else would you like to hear me complain about?
There’s more!
A wall of text, but not a single valid argument.
Not that I don't somewhat share the sentiment.
Did you want an argument?
I’m not in the mood to throw darts.
Just makes my blood pressure go nuts.
You have my respect as a Linux user. I try and fail.
As an IT guy, my brother had to adjust to the right handed world.
I’m right handed and also hold a phone to my right ear.
Some think that’s odd.
If an iMac showed up at my front door, I’d love that.
Blue would be nice.
Wow that’s a lot of text but I’ll try to reply. Sorry I didn’t make multi quotes but instead copied and pasted your reply because I’m typing this on my iPhone. I hope my replies are legible 🤦♂️😂
I have a 2019 refurbished iPad. Cost $209.
I prefer my 2019 Samsung Galaxy Tab A. It cost about $250 new.
OK so you prefer Samsung tablets over the Apple iPad. I had just the opposite experience. I bought a Tab A and gave it away because I thought it was terrible. I watch a lot of YouTube videos on my tablet and the speakers we’re terrible IMO. Everyone has different likes and preferences but I don’t hate Samsung because I thought the tablet was terrible. Maybe it was just my use case that it wasn’t good for.
I bad mouth Apple from experience.
Because you don’t like the iPad and over 20 years ago you had a bad experience at the Apple store? There has to be a better reason than that.
I don’t hate Amazon, even if I have 2 dead tablets and 1 dead TV Stick
So you still like Amazon even though you bought three bad products from them? I really like Amazon but I’ve had a good experience with them. Mostly just online shopping and buying their brand.
My 1st iMac was a 1999. Blueberry G3. I had plenty of trouble with it and my local Apple retailer blamed me.
I’ve only had one bad experience with customer support from Apple. I had AppleCare through my carrier (Spectrum) and somehow my carrier canceled it even though I was still paying them for it. It wasn’t like I missed a payment because everything was paid. The Apple customer service guy on the phone said he couldn’t do anything because I had to deal with my carrier and my carrier wouldn’t do anything so I told him I wanted to talk to his supervisor. He wasn’t happy but his supervisor was able to fix the problem. Maybe I was a little bit of a bully but I felt since I paid for AppleCare it wasn’t my fault. Other than that my experience with Apple customer support has been outstanding. I’d say this is a number one reason why I like Apple products. I know if I have an issue that it will be resolved. That kind of support is really difficult or impossible to get from other brands.
I’ve had 100% bad luck with HP.
My HP AIO finally burned itself up. Always ran hot.
Maybe an issue with the fan not coming on? My mom loves HP desktop computers and she seems to have good luck with them. I like their printers but never bought one of the computers. I bought her a MacBook Air and she uses that mostly now.
My 2nd iMac still boots, but Safari won’t go on the Web.
A 2007 20 inch 2GHz.
Kind of a love/hate situation.
Most expensive of all at over $1100 new.
Well it’s 15 years old so I’d say time to retire. I know that probably doesn’t seem like a long time but that’s more than two lifetimes for a computer. Those things are really collectible so don’t throw it in the trash even if you don’t want it.
I could get by with Chrome OS. The only modern Chromebase is HP.
If it’s the one I’m thinking about I saw a review of that on YouTube. You could turn the screen 90° to a vertical format. It looks pretty good. I’d say that’s almost perfect computer for someone who doesn’t need to use programs like Microsoft office or wants to play games.
I could get a new Dell AIO, very basic but useful, for $600. 24 inch.
I’ve had good experience with Dell computers but from looking on their website you have to catch them on sale or you might overpay. For that price I would expect it’s fairly decent for browsing the web but the screen might not be so good. I had a Dell Dimension 8200. I loved that computer. It’s unfortunate that their customer service isn’t like it was back then.
I also feel my Apple TV was the worst investment I’ve ever made.
64GB and I can’t install anything but apps.
Can do the same thing with the best Roku at half the cost.
The Apple TV OS is too much like the terrible OS from Amazon TV or another Android TV OS
I’m not too crazy about the Apple TV. I have one but I don’t really watch enough TV to say anything good or bad about it. I’m not sure what you expect to install on it other than apps? If you mean like you can’t use it as a computer that is kind of irritating in my opinion because it has enough power for basic web browsing so if you put a keyboard on it it would probably be similar to a Chromebook.
I don’t hate Apple exactly. I just don’t like them.
4 Apple devices and a so-so feeling overall.
Too much can’t do this, can’t do that.
You hit the nail on the head when it comes to how Apple products work. You have to buy the product because it fits your needs. If you buy an Apple product thinking you’re going to somehow change it to work when it doesn’t then you’re going to have a terrible experience. Apple makes their products for specific use cases and trying to use them outside of those use cases is just an experience in frustration.
As you said you don’t hate Apple but don’t like their products because of your experiences with them. That’s a big difference. I think much of the Apple hate is because either people think it’s cool or some weird reason but it’s more of an emotional reason.
My biggest issue is vision.
Opera browser for Android is the only one to automatically word wrap.
I need that. Safari for iPad doesn’t work the same way.
Opera for iPad is junk and doesn’t even have access to bookmarks.
I couldn’t boost iMac with zoom as it gets blurry.
I have Windows set at 125% DPI, or it would be useless.
I’m not blind or low vision, but I need my tools.
iPad is set at maximum font level, as was Amazon.
All tablets are 10 inch. Samsung is a little better.
Without word wrap with Opera, Android would also be useless.
I don’t have an iPhone, or anything else, as I can’t see any screen smaller than 10 inch.
So if push comes to shove, it is the needs for eyesight.
When I tinker with Linux, I also have to push DPI to at least 120%.
Opera browser for Android is the only one to automatically word wrap.
I need that. Safari for iPad doesn’t work the same way.
Opera for iPad is junk and doesn’t even have access to bookmarks.
I couldn’t boost iMac with zoom as it gets blurry.
I have Windows set at 125% DPI, or it would be useless.
I’m not blind or low vision, but I need my tools.
iPad is set at maximum font level, as was Amazon.
All tablets are 10 inch. Samsung is a little better.
Without word wrap with Opera, Android would also be useless.
I don’t have an iPhone, or anything else, as I can’t see any screen smaller than 10 inch.
So if push comes to shove, it is the needs for eyesight.
When I tinker with Linux, I also have to push DPI to at least 120%.
