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aristobrat

macrumors G5
Oct 14, 2005
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I don't know what control Apple has over the people that offer iPhones - but it seems it's draconian, and a rip off.
None in the US. AT&T charges no more to use an iPhone on its network than it charges to use any other brand of PDA/Smartphones.
 

mscriv

macrumors 601
Aug 14, 2008
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Dallas, Texas
Though the comparison chart may be slightly inaccurate based on the specific plan details one chooses, I think it sums up rather nicely why Apple needs to expand the iPhone beyond AT&T. The cost of their plans is the most often cited reason for people refusing to switch. I have little doubt that if the iPhone were available across both major networks Sprint/Verizon & Att/TMobile that it would increase tremendously in ownership. People can bash Sprint or Verizon all they want, but they have loyal customers who are not willing to lose the benefits they have gained from being long term customers. I for one am a very happy Sprint customer with too many discounts and perks to consider switching. Obviously if the iPhone were available to my carrier I would own one, but it's just not worth switching because of what I would have pay. :(
 

Goona

macrumors 68020
Mar 11, 2009
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I'm tired of apple fans redefine the commonly understand term all the time. What benefite does it serve ?

"I can run these 3 specific apps together!" get real. If that's multitasking. 6 years of bashing palm for not supporting multitasking in its classic OS must be insane! And guess what, nobody in smartphone/pda industry considers running 3 specific app at the same time as "multitasking".

And I'm tried of Apple haters coming with fallacies. :rolleyes:
 

LethalWolfe

macrumors G3
Jan 11, 2002
9,370
124
Los Angeles
Not sure why you posted a link to an article that undercuts your attempts to 'defend' the iPhone in this thread. That link to Gizmodo shows a price break down similar to the one shown by the OP as well as giving the iPhone a "no" in the Background Apps category and saying it "...falters on multitasking..." Basically Gizmodo is saying what almost every other reviewer is saying in that the iPhone is still top dog, but the Pre is a surprisingly close second. The Pre isn't likely to draw iPhone owners away from Apple, but people that haven't made the plunge into the smartphone market have more to think about now than they did a week ago.


Lethal
 

Goona

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Mar 11, 2009
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Not sure why you posted a link to an article that undercuts your attempts to 'defend' the iPhone in this thread. That link to Gizmodo shows a price break down similar to the one shown by the OP as well as giving the iPhone a "no" in the Background Apps category and saying it "...falters on multitasking..." Basically Gizmodo is saying what almost every other reviewer is saying in that the iPhone is still top dog, but the Pre is a surprisingly close second. The Pre isn't likely to draw iPhone owners away from Apple, but people that haven't made the plunge into the smartphone market have more to think about now than they did a week ago.


Lethal
What makes you think I posted the link to defend anythig?
 

LethalWolfe

macrumors G3
Jan 11, 2002
9,370
124
Los Angeles
What makes you think I posted the link to defend anythig?
Because that's typically what people do. If they have an opinion on an issue they'll provide information to back up that opinion. People typically don't provide information on an issue that goes against the position they been asserting during the discussion.


Lethal
 

zap2

macrumors 604
Mar 8, 2005
7,252
8
Washington D.C
Very simply, these types of "comparisons" are almost worthless(still interesting)


They things that matter are prices for the plan YOU'LL be buying, service in your area(and places you go a lot) and which device you want.


You can say company A has the best service, but if in my local area, company A is lacking, then you're comment doesn't do me much good. Same thing with price.
 

Nermal

Moderator
Staff member
Dec 7, 2002
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New Zealand
Very simply, these types of "comparisons" are almost worthless(still interesting)


They things that matter are prices for the plan YOU'LL be buying, service in your area(and places you go a lot) and which device you want.

Exactly. If I was in the market for an iPhone then I'd probably go for 120 MB of data per month (that's plenty when you have Wi-Fi available the majority of the time). I'd have casual texting and calling. Total cost: US$815 over 24 months, including the cost of buying the phone.
 

LethalWolfe

macrumors G3
Jan 11, 2002
9,370
124
Los Angeles
Very simply, these types of "comparisons" are almost worthless(still interesting)


They things that matter are prices for the plan YOU'LL be buying, service in your area(and places you go a lot) and which device you want.


You can say company A has the best service, but if in my local area, company A is lacking, then you're comment doesn't do me much good. Same thing with price.
I wouldn't say they are worthless because they provide people w/a convient side by side comparison of the big features of each device. They aren't meant to show that X is better than Y just that in these categories here is how X and Y compare to each other.


Lethal
 

clevin

macrumors G3
Original poster
Aug 6, 2006
9,095
1
And I'm tried of Apple haters coming with fallacies. :rolleyes:
yeah right, apple fanboys living in RDF has the courage to call world known facts as fallacy, how surprising!:p next up, they would define day as night.
 

windywoo

macrumors 6502a
May 24, 2009
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Actually the iphone does multitask, people should stop parading that myth, just not with 3rd party apps.

Oh I'm well aware it can "multitask" but I don't count playing music while you do other things as "multitasking". And you listed the restriction there yourself, only Apple apps are allowed to multitask, so I'm sorry that just doesn't count.
 

aristobrat

macrumors G5
Oct 14, 2005
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Oh I'm well aware it can "multitask" but I don't count playing music while you do other things as "multitasking". And you listed the restriction there yourself, only Apple apps are allowed to multitask, so I'm sorry that just doesn't count.
Yeah, it definitely doesn't count, but it also definitely isn't in the same category of OS that doesn't multitask because the OS itself doesn't support it.

So I guess until someone comes up for a class like that (restricted multitasking?), people are going to continue to say that it multitasks, and technically, they're not going to be wrong.
 

MacLover4491

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Apr 22, 2009
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Yeah, it definitely doesn't count, but it also definitely isn't in the same category of OS that doesn't multitask because the OS itself doesn't support it.

So I guess until someone comes up for a class like that (restricted multitasking?), people are going to continue to say that it multitasks, and technically, they're not going to be wrong.

yeah try to multitask with third party apps which you praise so much 50,000 apps. Now all those apps cant be use easily because you can multitask on the iphone.
 

Unprocessed1

macrumors 65816
Jun 23, 2008
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If an area is not a 3G coverage area, does that mean 2G is used by default??

WTF about Wyoming?!?!?! JK :D Although my first question was serious.
 

zap2

macrumors 604
Mar 8, 2005
7,252
8
Washington D.C
I wouldn't say they are worthless because they provide people w/a convient side by side comparison of the big features of each device. They aren't meant to show that X is better than Y just that in these categories here is how X and Y compare to each other.


Lethal

I agree, if the article is presented that way, but I don't think it was by this site. Its was named "total cost" as if those devices always cost that much, they don't. And the image talks about "saving money" and "financial freedom"

I agree its interesting, but worthless as far as a break down of costs for phone plans go. Its just too general.
 

QCassidy352

macrumors G5
Mar 20, 2003
12,066
6,107
Bay Area
cheapest plan on sprint is $70/mo (450min+unlimited text and data)
cheapest plan on ATT is $40+30+20=90 (450min+unlimited text and data)
cheapest plan on T-Mobile is difficult to say, because its plan is so strange and I couldn't found one that is comparable to above two.

so over 2 years, Sprint saves about $480 over ATT on cheapest plans.

For me, that's the relevant number because I don't use even close to my 450 minutes or 200 texts each month. And $480/730 days = $.66/day. Frankly, I couldn't care less.
 

clevin

macrumors G3
Original poster
Aug 6, 2006
9,095
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For me, that's the relevant number because I don't use even close to my 450 minutes or 200 texts each month. And $480/730 days = $.66/day. Frankly, I couldn't care less.
well, money wise, you can always have different prospective. Such as:

$480 is a high end netbook
$480 is a new bed
$480 is 10 copy of your precious Thesis.
$480 can buy your your regalia for the memory of your life
$480 is a year's bus ticket
$480 buys you a great car stereo
$480 feed you one or two month
$480 save 2 poor kids in third world country
$480 buy you a good bike.
$480 buy you a year's internet service
$480 get you 9-10 month of mobile broad band from sprint.
etc.
If an area is not a 3G coverage area, does that mean 2G is used by default??
yes, it would be Verizon's 2G network.
 

Goona

macrumors 68020
Mar 11, 2009
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0
Oh I'm well aware it can "multitask" but I don't count playing music while you do other things as "multitasking". And you listed the restriction there yourself, only Apple apps are allowed to multitask, so I'm sorry that just doesn't count.

Well what the iphone does fits in the definition of multitasking.
 

aristobrat

macrumors G5
Oct 14, 2005
12,292
1,403
Well what the iphone does fits in the definition of multitasking.
Like I said, it fits the technical definition of multitasking, but not the reality of what people mean when they ask "can the iPhone multitask?" (Which the link to the Gizmodo slides you provided clearly points out!) :)
 

MorphingDragon

macrumors 603
Mar 27, 2009
5,159
6
The World Inbetween
Damn that sucks,
Vodafone NZ let you use their TalkTime or Braodband plans with the iPhone. But then you dont get the subsidiary. Have to pay the full $1k!!!!

BTW, anyone with a house Avatar has to be right!!! :D
 

jaw04005

macrumors 601
Aug 19, 2003
4,571
561
AR
Sprint's Everything plan is nice at $99, but they're only offering it because the company is in financial trouble.

So, lock in those rates now!

"Sprint lost 1.3 million long-term contract subscribers in the first quarter, offsetting a surge in customers who don't sign contracts and prepay for their wireless minutes. Many were attracted by the company's Boost Mobile unlimited plan, which costs $50 a month."

...

"Chief Executive Dan Hesse said business shutdowns and layoffs accounted for much of the contract-subscriber losses, bringing the total number of such customers lost to more than six million since the fall of 2007. Sprint ended the first quarter with 49.1 million total customers."

...

"The third-largest provider of U.S. mobile-phone services posted a loss of $594 million, or 21 cents a share, compared with a year-earlier loss of $505 million, or 18 cents a share. The latest results include $327 million in severance costs related to cutting 13% of the company's work force, expected to save about $1.2 billion a year. Revenue decreased 12% to $8.21 billion."

...

"In the meantime, larger rivals AT&T Inc. and Verizon Wireless are picking off the industry's most valuable customers. AT&T added 1.2 million customers, and Verizon Wireless signed up 1.3 million customers in the period."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124143412508182949.html

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And here's Verizon's Unlimited Everything Plan (at least in my area):

It's $149 (Voice) + $29.99 (Data + Messaging) = $179.98

So, I don't think AT&T's too far out of line.
 

Pika

macrumors 68000
Oct 5, 2008
1,759
0
Japan
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