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True. Face ID v.s. Touch ID relative identity failures are more prone to Touch ID having a higher rate. Phil Schiller stated facial recognition is 1 in 1,000,000, where as Touch ID is 1 in 50,000. Although in terms of actual unlocking, I prefer touch ID, even though face ID has more security features in place.
They should include both but apple is too cheap to include both. Masks are interfering w/ the experience. This will be ongoing until end of next year.
Both Face ID and Underscreen Touch ID have their uses to in certain situations. Right now for those wearing a mask Touch ID would be handy When your iPhone is laying on your desk Underscreen Touch ID would save me from picking it up
The list of situations goes on and on
Hopefully Apple realizes the need for both
The list of situations goes on and on
Hopefully Apple realizes the need for both
The weekest entry point is the strongest security the device offers. While I agree its convenient to use Touch ID when you are wearing a mask. There is more then your convenience at play here.
From a security perceptive, adding another method of authentication exponentially decreases the devices security. The more doors and windows your house has the easier it is to find a weekend to break in. This is amplified due to the method of authentication being less secure.
From a legal and business standpoint a new implementation of Touch ID would need to as secure or more secure as Face ID. The "all new iPhone" with features such as "reduced security!" not only paints a target on themselves but isn't good PR.
There is just too much sensitive data on your iPhone and in your iCloud to take risk with it.
Plus its additional expense. Kind of silly to say this but its the vibe I'm getting from the thread. Apple wouldn't GIVE us Touch ID, one way or another we (the consumer) would pay for it. Apple is a business and moving money from our bank accounts to theirs is their first priority.
Again though I'm not saying nothing should be done. I just think the convenience of authenticating yourself to your iPhone while wearing a mask may meed to be approached from a different/new angle.
From a security perceptive, adding another method of authentication exponentially decreases the devices security. The more doors and windows your house has the easier it is to find a weekend to break in. This is amplified due to the method of authentication being less secure.
From a legal and business standpoint a new implementation of Touch ID would need to as secure or more secure as Face ID. The "all new iPhone" with features such as "reduced security!" not only paints a target on themselves but isn't good PR.
There is just too much sensitive data on your iPhone and in your iCloud to take risk with it.
Plus its additional expense. Kind of silly to say this but its the vibe I'm getting from the thread. Apple wouldn't GIVE us Touch ID, one way or another we (the consumer) would pay for it. Apple is a business and moving money from our bank accounts to theirs is their first priority.
Again though I'm not saying nothing should be done. I just think the convenience of authenticating yourself to your iPhone while wearing a mask may meed to be approached from a different/new angle.
People should just vote with their wallets. No Touch ID - no buy. I'll keep my OG SE and upgrade to a 2020 SE when it fails.
That wouldn't really work unless a really high enough percentage of consumers do it, which is pretty much improbable.
Which is where Apple's argument falls flat. If Touch ID and Face ID both default back to the strength (or not) of your PIN when they fail, then neither is "more secure"
Sure Face Id may be harder to spoof, but Touch ID id pretty hard. The average thief isnt going to those extremes. And even if so, a Graykey is FAR FAR less effort which will brute force your PIN.
It's also getting rid of that HORRIBLE a** notch. Its been 4 model years now it hasnt changed a millimeter. If it can be shunk etc then it's a dead-end tech IMO. Under display are years off even for basic cameras (the first one is just coming out now and who knows how good it is even). The George Jefferson hairline notch is dated now badly.
The whole mask thing isnt gong away. I intimately know a few federal government scientists. That vaccine "coming in November" is a pipe dream; at best. There is no way it is ready in under 60 days from now. And the first wave of any vaccine when it is ready will be for first responders, military, etc. The average public wont see a vaccine for at LEAST a year from now. And the effectiveness is still questionable; considering the average flu shot is only 40-60% effective in good years (it reduces severity yes, that's a big perk). Masks are here to stay in the near future so Face ID is really a bummer.
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I agree that Touch ID is secure enough. I never bought the “Face ID is better because it’s more secure” argument (for regular non-high profile people). Apple claims that the chances of a random person unlocking your phone is 1 in 50,000 for Touch ID and 1 in 1,000,000 for Face ID. So they’re essentially saying that if my Touch ID iPhone gets stolen 50,000 times, then ONE of those times the thief will probably be able to unlock it? That scenario is ludicrous. It will simply never happen so what real world difference does it make if it’s 50k or 1M or 1T? After a certain point (which Touch ID was already well past), it’s just numbers for marketing sake. Also, I doubt most Face ID fans would want to go back to Touch ID if Apple were to suddenly make a new version of Touch ID that was 20x more secure than Face ID. So I think it really just comes down to preference/convenience, not security at this point.
The only people who might actually need to be concerned about the difference in these high levels of security are high profile people who might be targeted. I’m sure they of all people would appreciate a combination of both Face ID and Touch ID, with both needing to be authenticated to grant access.
Most already ‘vote with their wallet’ based on what they can afford. Apple not offering touch ID on one device and offering on another I don’t think really stop consumers one way or the other. If you look at smart phones in general offered from Apple, I suspect the majority of consumers are perfectly content with Face ID. Yes, touch ID was very convenient and still is, but I don’t think there are that many people who will ‘take a stand‘ to not buy a phone because it doesn’t have touch ID. Very few people have that mindset when there are so many other capabilities/features on smart phones that overrides not having touch ID.
Looks like they definitely don't consider Touch ID as dead at least in relation to the iPad given the new iPad Air.Apple tends to be a bit more contradictory with their words regarding the iPhone and iPad.
But I guarantee you that if you're a PowerPC Mac owner, PowerPC and OS9 are dead.
i've been using passcode since i got the iPhone X, i know there's minimal chance for touch id on iphone 12, but really hope for it. It's the only feature that will get me to upgrade
They've added it to iPad Air and typically they try new features on iPad before moving it to iPhone.. who knows, maybe it will appear next year? Year after? We have USB C on 3/5 iPads now and that hasn't appeared yet on iPhone.
Apple should realize that’s for next years model both Face ID and Underscreen Touch ID are a necessity
Hopefully the Pandemic is done by then However both would be good
Hopefully the Pandemic is done by then However both would be good
What a strange thing to say considering that TouchID on the power button or anywhere else (like the screen) benefits the user in every way.
It's not like Apple will scrap FaceID and go all in with TouchID again. It'll be both, the best of both worlds.
Strange too you maybe, on screen would be ok too with FID if you could use both together, but power button, no thanks.