Touch ID Prediction

[SwissGuy93]

And there's where I feel stuck. I want a (near) bezel-less iPhone with a large screen but small footprint, but I also want TouchID. It sucks knowing that I'll be missing a feature that I want no matter what I choose. I would have been okay even if they put it on the back!

Why do you want Touch ID? Sorry, Touch ID will not give you anything you won't have with Face ID. And why do you not just wait another ten days until the release of the new iPhone? I mean it's not months away. It's litterally in 10 days.
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My thought is it is not going to happen. Will be interesting to see how all of this will effect ApplePay and if the banks will be convinced of the security features. If not the banks will pull out of ApplePay.

Guys, do you actually think Apple will just throw something out there, hoping the banks will accept it? Are you all that naive? Do you know how much bad press it would give if banks would pull out of Apple Pay? You guys must be joking me.

 

[mctrials23]

Guys, do you actually think Apple will just throw something out there, hoping the banks will accept it? Are you all that naive? Do you know how much bad press it would give if banks would pull out of Apple Pay? You guys must be joking me.

No, Apple will have spoken to the banks about this already and got their acceptance of it. They will lose huge amounts of money if any banks pulled out and they simply wouldn't risk that.

 

[Superrjamz54]

Apple doesn't make you. They just offer less and less, charge more and more. People either pay to play with their OS and services or move onto greener pastures. If you want iOS, you can still get the SE with a headphone jack and a lot of the modern amenities. Only thing is a small screen, but that's no compromise if you look at the PPI quantity or couldn't care about the size.

Best of everything seems to be on the Galaxy.

Galaxy has the single worst UI in existence along with the single worst fingerprint scanner location and a very insecure facial recognition along with kowtowing to carrier demands.

 

[tann]

It will be back under the screen next year.

 

[Kiimora]

with or without TiD we would adapt and enjoy the masterpiece for what it truly is....a complete overhaul

 

[Superrjamz54]

Tempted to skip this year and wait for 2018.

You do know that when Apple changes something, whatever that was replaced never comes back.

 

[mctrials23]

You do know that when Apple changes something, whatever that was replaced never comes back.

That is true however I wonder if this might be the exception. It appears that apple wanted to include in in this years iPhone but it wasn't production ready for whatever reason. The question is whether they had always planned faceID or whatever it will be called as the main auth method or if that became a focus in light of the under screen touchID issues.

I would be happy enough without it as I trust that apples faceID will be great and easier in almost every use case but having the two options would also be nice. TouchID under the screen is also just plain cool.

 

[Newtons Apple]

No, Apple will have spoken to the banks about this already and got their acceptance of it. They will lose huge amounts of money if any banks pulled out and they simply wouldn't risk that.

I AGREE 100%. Apple is not stupid but the banks will be watching. I do not use ApplePay so it is not an issue to me.

 

[Superrjamz54]

It will be back under the screen next year.

Doubt it.

That is true however I wonder if this might be the exception. It appears that apple wanted to include in in this years iPhone but it wasn't production ready for whatever reason. The question is whether they had always planned faceID or whatever it will be called as the main auth method or if that became a focus in light of the under screen touchID issues.

I would be happy enough without it as I trust that apples faceID will be great and easier in almost every use case but having the two options would also be nice. TouchID under the screen is also just plain cool.

faceid was always in the plan, they had purchased the maker for this very reason. TouchID is hard to do. Apple can't do and neither can Samsung. Apple took it one step farther by removing the home button. There is a reason to remove the home button. It is the most likely cause of any burn in issues with an AMOled screen. Removing the button, likely removes the issue. The best way to fix the touchid problem would be to have the entire screen work as the scanner.

 

[SwissGuy93]

It will be back under the screen next year.

Touch ID is gone. Get used to it. It has no future with Face ID.
How do you imagine the presentation would go next Year? Schiller being there like; "Hey guys! Do you remember the tech that we dropped last year and actually replaced? Well here it is again!".
That is just not Apple-like. Dropping a feature in favor of a better one -> very Apple-like.
And what you all also seem to forget with the whole under the screen thing: One security measure of Touch ID is the metal circle surounding it. The metal circle is only triggered with skin contact and Touch ID is only reading the finger print with that metal circle being triggered. Software based activation only would NOT be very secure.

 

[mctrials23]

I AGREE 100%. Apple is not stupid but the banks will be watching. I do not use ApplePay so it is not an issue to me.

I used to but my fingerprint isn't that great as a result of climbing and my 6+ has the first gen touchID which isn't super quick so its just easier to use contactless. If faceID is good I will definitely go back to it though.

 

[nviz22]

Galaxy has the single worst UI in existence along with the single worst fingerprint scanner location and a very insecure facial recognition along with kowtowing to carrier demands.

Huawei has the worst software. The FP sensor sucks location wise. A launcher takes care of Launcher lag. Their facial detection isn't as bad as you think. Carrier demands are only on carrier locked devices. It's cheaper to buy direct factory unlocked than carrier at times. Just a suggestion. If not go with the LG V30 if you want Android and don't want to pay more for less with the iPhone 8 (no TouchID or headphone jack.)

 

[Damstr]

If they are doing the Face-ID thing I wonder how you can wake up your iPhone to check notifications without unlocking it...

 

[joeblow7777]

Why do you want Touch ID? Sorry, Touch ID will not give you anything you won't have with Face ID. And why do you not just wait another ten days until the release of the new iPhone? I mean it's not months away. It's litterally in 10 days.

What do you mean? I am waiting. But it's unlikely that my options will be any different than what I expect now, so I might as well start thinking about what I will choose.

As to why I want TouchID, I simply prefer it as a way of unlocking my phone, especially for Apple Pay. I'm hoping to be proven wrong. Hopefully Apple has found a way to implement FaceID that is better that anything I've imagined, but I really like the way TouchID works for me. I would just like to have the option to keep using it.
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If they are doing the Face-ID thing I wonder how you can wake up your iPhone to check notifications without unlocking it...

That's one of the things I'm wondering about too. Rumours and speculation suggest that you will have to slide or swipe to bypass the lock screen.

 

[MDePew24]

Apple doesn't make you. They just offer less and less, charge more and more. People either pay to play with their OS and services or move onto greener pastures. If you want iOS, you can still get the SE with a headphone jack and a lot of the modern amenities. Only thing is a small screen, but that's no compromise if you look at the PPI quantity or couldn't care about the size.

Best of everything seems to be on the Galaxy.

Except for operating systems. Not the best.
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What do you mean? I am waiting. But it's unlikely that my options will be any different than what I expect now, so I might as well start thinking about what I will choose.

As to why I want TouchID, I simply prefer it as a way of unlocking my phone, especially for Apple Pay. I'm hoping to be proven wrong. Hopefully Apple has found a way to implement FaceID that is better that anything I've imagined, but I really like the way TouchID works for me. I would just like to have the option to keep using it.
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That's one of the things I'm wondering about too. Rumours and speculation suggest that you will have to slide or swipe to bypass the lock screen.

Right now you can unlock your phone without opening it and that's with Touch ID. Opening and unlocking are two different things. Face ID can unlock the phone which would allow you to open it up if you choose. You don't have to though.

 

[AsherN]

Potential issues I see with Face ID.
1) I use raise to wake. I use it to check notifications. How will Face ID know I just want to peek at the lock screen rather than unlock my phone.

2) In the car, I often have my phone in a mount. Above the radio, middle of the dash. Not directly facing me. To open it up, I use Touch ID. How will Face ID see me?

I used face recognition on my Nexus5. Worked pretty well, pretty fast. Still required to face the phone.

 

[Cayden]

It seems like a lot of people aren't realizing Apple Pay already works without Touch ID on the Apple Watch as you just need to unlock it with your passcode

 

[joeblow7777]

Potential issues I see with Face ID.
1) I use raise to wake. I use it to check notifications. How will Face ID know I just want to peek at the lock screen rather than unlock my phone.

2) In the car, I often have my phone in a mount. Above the radio, middle of the dash. Not directly facing me. To open it up, I use Touch ID. How will Face ID see me?

I used face recognition on my Nexus5. Worked pretty well, pretty fast. Still required to face the phone.

1) Presumably your phone will unlock when it sees your face, but you will have to swipe or perform some gesture to bypass the lockscreen.

2) I'm not going to judge, but the argument here is probably that you shouldn't be unlocking your phone while driving.

 

[Newtons Apple]

I used to but my fingerprint isn't that great as a result of climbing and my 6+ has the first gen touchID which isn't super quick so its just easier to use contactless. If faceID is good I will definitely go back to it though.

I am sure that Apple is hoping faceID works well. What a disaster if it did not. I would also like to still use my finger to open my device but looks like we are in for a change! The old fallback is the passcode

 

[nviz22]

Except for operating systems. Not the best.
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Right now you can unlock your phone without opening it and that's with Touch ID. Opening and unlocking are two different things. Face ID can unlock the phone which would allow you to open it up if you choose. You don't have to though.

Depends on your take on OS tbh. Apple is more secure and reliable than Android, w/o a doubt for me. But with Android, you can do more with customization and features. People can argue that Android is better. It's personal preference. Here, I will find more iOS supporters than Android people. Both have give and take. But with Samsung, it's the best of both worlds because you get hardware, software features, but at the cost of a few hiccups and what not.

 

[Dwalls90]

Potential issues I see with Face ID.
1) I use raise to wake. I use it to check notifications. How will Face ID know I just want to peek at the lock screen rather than unlock my phone.

Simple. Notice how the lock screen is the same as notification screen, except you swipe up to view notifications and access the lock screen with the iOS 11 beta? That will be the same for the iPhone 8. Facial recognition seamlessly authenticates you as the user, and whenever you want to go to your homescreen, you swipe up as soon as you raise your iPhone to wake it.

My bet is you will also be able to tell the iPhone that it's standard behavior is either to default to staying on the lock/notification screen, or automatically go to the homescreen upon raise to wake and it authenticates you via facial recognition (and you can swipe down from notifications to go back to notifications/lock screen once unlocked)

Suddenly, Apple meshing lock screen and notifications makes sense.

2) In the car, I often have my phone in a mount. Above the radio, middle of the dash. Not directly facing me. To open it up, I use Touch ID. How will Face ID see me?

This will probably be a shortcoming of "Face ID", similar to how TouchID has limitations like having to register each unique fingerprint, or not working with gloves, etc.

I think it's really uncommon I'm in a situation where my phone is down and can't "see me", though. In those cases you'll need to use your passcode.

I used face recognition on my Nexus5. Worked pretty well, pretty fast. Still required to face the phone.

 

[macTW]

All leaks and rumours now indicate that there is no TouchID.

All leaks and rumors in years prior missed key and significant features as well.

 

[Droidbricker]

Why do you want Touch ID? Sorry, Touch ID will not give you anything you won't have with Face ID.

I can wear sunglasses and use Touch ID.

 

[macTW]

Apple doesn't make you. They just offer less and less, charge more and more. People either pay to play with their OS and services or move onto greener pastures. If you want iOS, you can still get the SE with a headphone jack and a lot of the modern amenities. Only thing is a small screen, but that's no compromise if you look at the PPI quantity or couldn't care about the size.

Best of everything seems to be on the Galaxy.

They've been charging less and less annually, when you factor in competition and industry prices and inflation.

They just charge more than you like. That's the issue.

 

[MDePew24]

Depends on your take on OS tbh. Apple is more secure and reliable than Android, w/o a doubt for me. But with Android, you can do more with customization and features. People can argue that Android is better. It's personal preference. Here, I will find more iOS supporters than Android people. Both have give and take. But with Samsung, it's the best of both worlds because you get hardware, software features, but at the cost of a few hiccups and what not.

I am a fan of an OS that is released to it's devices at the same time and doesn't lock up or restart randomly as much. I am a fan of iOS more. Sure, you can customize more on Android but that also doesn't mean it's a better OS. I don't think Android's OS are made for any length of time. Even more so than iOS. I have several older iOS devices that still run great and the few Android devices that I've had have not lasted at all. Just my opinion. I'll take reliability and an company that does the hardware and software.