Tree-Style tabs: Why I CANT switch to Safari (though I wish I could!)

[NathanA]

i cant quite figure out what it is from their website....

Huh, I just tried it and it seems to do what you want, although I will add that it feels like the Safari 8.0 support is a bit half-baked right now...the side/vertical tabs look kinda ugly and it doesn't suppress Safari from displaying the normal horizontal tabs across the top, so you actually will have every tab showing up on the UI twice.

It's easy to remove it if you don't like it, so why not give it a shot?

1) Download EasySIMBL from http://github.com/norio-nomura/EasySIMBL/releases/download/EasySIMBL-1.6/EasySIMBL-1.6.zip
2) Download SafariStand for Yosemite from http://hetima.com/safari/stand/SafariStand8.0.205.zip
3) Quit Safari.
4) Unpack EasySIMBL-1.6.zip and move EasySIMBL.app to Applications.
5) Unpack SafariStand8.0.205.zip
6) Run EasySIMBL.
7) Check the "Use SIMBL" checkbox at the top.
8) Click the "Show Plugin Folder" button in the bottom right corner.
9) Drag the SafariStand.bundle that was unpacked from the SafariStand ZIP file into the plugin folder.

Now close EasySIMBL, launch Safari, and you should see a new Stand menu show up while Safari is running. Under the Stand menu, click Sidebar, and voila, as they say.

To kill SafariStand, just open up EasySIMBL and uncheck the SafariStand plugin. Optionally, open up the plugin folder and move SafariStand.bundle to trash, uncheck "Use SIMBL", close EasySIMBL, and then move EasySIMBL to trash, too.

-- Nathan

 

[lidstone]

Tree Style Tabs

Have to say that I totally agree with lowepg regarding the nested tree style vertical tabs that are available on Firefox. It's the main reason that Firefox is my default browser. I haven't tried the one just recommended for Safari (yet) but it looks more cumbersome than just simply adding a plugin.

 

[Dameatball]

Huh, I just tried it and it seems to do what you want, although I will add that it feels like the Safari 8.0 support is a bit half-baked right now...the side/vertical tabs look kinda ugly and it doesn't suppress Safari from displaying the normal horizontal tabs across the top, so you actually will have every tab showing up on the UI twice.

It's easy to remove it if you don't like it, so why not give it a shot?

1) Download EasySIMBL from http://github.com/norio-nomura/EasySIMBL/releases/download/EasySIMBL-1.6/EasySIMBL-1.6.zip
2) Download SafariStand for Yosemite from http://hetima.com/safari/stand/SafariStand8.0.205.zip
3) Quit Safari.
4) Unpack EasySIMBL-1.6.zip and move EasySIMBL.app to Applications.
5) Unpack SafariStand8.0.205.zip
6) Run EasySIMBL.
7) Check the "Use SIMBL" checkbox at the top.
8) Click the "Show Plugin Folder" button in the bottom right corner.
9) Drag the SafariStand.bundle that was unpacked from the SafariStand ZIP file into the plugin folder.

Now close EasySIMBL, launch Safari, and you should see a new Stand menu show up while Safari is running. Under the Stand menu, click Sidebar, and voila, as they say.

To kill SafariStand, just open up EasySIMBL and uncheck the SafariStand plugin. Optionally, open up the plugin folder and move SafariStand.bundle to trash, uncheck "Use SIMBL", close EasySIMBL, and then move EasySIMBL to trash, too.

-- Nathan

Safari stand allows you to set the max tab size as well as adding color icons to the tabs and your bookmarks. It's not supposed to be used in lieu of the tabs on your browser (that would be a strange look). It's used when you have too many tabs open to see what specific tabs are because they've become to small to read. It's not something you really keep open, but a quick shortcut to see a clean list of all your tabs. Also adding cozy tabs prevent the crazy long tab at the end if you only have a few tabs open. Stand also allows you to use site specific search engine queries (like you can in chrome). Basically the best features of chrome left out of safari, without having to use chrome. It has some other cool features in terms downloaded files are dropped into folders by file type etc. It's actually pretty epic.

 

[Dameatball]

Have to say that I totally agree with lowepg regarding the nested tree style vertical tabs that are available on Firefox. It's the main reason that Firefox is my default browser. I haven't tried the one just recommended for Safari (yet) but it looks more cumbersome than just simply adding a plugin.

it's as easy as installing a plugin

 

[mijail]

btw- this is not a SLAM on Safari, I truly want to find a way to use it... firefox has crappy memory management and lacks the connectivity I want, but this is a big issue for me.

I don't know what you mean with "lacks the connectivity". But when it comes to memory management, I'd say that right now (and for the last months, if not more than a year) it's Firefox who has gotten much better than both Safari and Chrome. I know, because for some years I used to switch browsers whenever the number of open tabs was too much for any of them; and I have not had to switch from Firefox for the last >12 months.

Case in point: I have currently >600 tabs opened at my firefox at work (last month I reached >750). I use TreeTabs too, of course . Meanwhile Safari starts sputtering and "reloading tabs because of a problem" long before it gets to 100.

For the ones asking "why", my first answer is similar to the already offered here: to investigate some subjects I usually have to follow simultaneously lots of promising threads, and might have to open 50 tabs, close them one by one ...and before that's finished again another batch of 60 tabs arrives...

However, the better answer is: why do you care for my reasons? If your style or usage is different, good for you. In my case, it works, and Firefox allows me to do it (TreeTabs is not really needed but makes it even comfortable). Safari isn't even able.

 

[Dameatball]

Tree-Style tabs: Why I CANT switch to Safari (though I wish I could!)

I don't know what you mean with "lacks the connectivity". But when it comes to memory management, I'd say that right now (and for the last months, if not more than a year) it's Firefox who has gotten much better than both Safari and Chrome. I know, because for some years I used to switch browsers whenever the number of open tabs was too much for any of them; and I have not had to switch from Firefox for the last >12 months.



Case in point: I have currently >600 tabs opened at my firefox at work (last month I reached >750). I use TreeTabs too, of course . Meanwhile Safari starts sputtering and "reloading tabs because of a problem" long before it gets to 100.



For the ones asking "why", my first answer is similar to the already offered here: to investigate some subjects I usually have to follow simultaneously lots of promising threads, and might have to open 50 tabs, close them one by one ...and before that's finished again another batch of 60 tabs arrives...



However, the better answer is: why do you care for my reasons? If your style or usage is different, good for you. In my case, it works, and Firefox allows me to do it (TreeTabs is not really needed but makes it even comfortable). Safari isn't even able.

Interesting. I've never read/heard that other than your unofficial tab test. That said official testing on the three browsers performance is widely available. Hence why I moved to safari recently.
Ha -Can open more 600 tabs, yet slower browser. Well whatever works for you. I personally prefer the better performing browser but to each his own like you said.
Best of luck

 

[mijail]

Interesting. I've never read/heard that other than your unofficial tab test.

I have never heard of any official test about memory management across browsers. If you have any reference, that would be interesting. (because I can't imagine how that could be done, and how results would be of any use anyway)

That said official testing on the three browsers performance is widely available. Hence why I moved to safari recently.

And which official testing made you switch?
Because the official testing I know of won't support a switch to Safari. For example, for Mac OS X 10.10 64 bit: http://arewefastyet.com/#machine=30

Note: this tests all the browsers (AND even independent JS engines), across all the big JS test suites, across all the big platforms. So it's not just Google boasting on Chrome's performance on Google's own Octane test suite, and not just Apple boasting on Safari's performance on Apple's own Sunspider test suite.

And the result is that when comparing everything against everything, Safari's JS performance is only better than other browsers in its own test suite.

However: the truth is that the performance is high enough that probably the difference between browsers is not too important to the user. BUT I care that the ones caring to do such a deep, and wide-ranging, and long-term testing, is Mozilla!

Ha -Can open more 600 tabs, yet slower browser. Well whatever works for you. I personally prefer the better performing browser but to each his own like you said.
Best of luck

Note that this is not even about preferences. To use Safari I just would have to change my way of working; Safari is simply not up to it.

On a side note: I found this thread because I was looking for a Safari equivalent of Firefox's TreeTabs. While TreeTabs is amateurish, it is just a standard Firefox extension, and it works. Now, to get something kinda-maybe-similar in Safari I have to use a SIMBL? Ugh.... I thought those hacks had disappeared around 10.6.

 

[Dameatball]

I have never heard of any official test about memory management across browsers. If you have any reference, that would be interesting. (because I can't imagine how that could be done, and how results would be of any use anyway)



And which official testing made you switch?
Because the official testing I know of won't support a switch to Safari. For example, for Mac OS X 10.10 64 bit: http://arewefastyet.com/#machine=30

Note: this tests all the browsers (AND even independent JS engines), across all the big JS test suites, across all the big platforms. So it's not just Google boasting on Chrome's performance on Google's own Octane test suite, and not just Apple boasting on Safari's performance on Apple's own Sunspider test suite.

And the result is that when comparing everything against everything, Safari's JS performance is only better than other browsers in its own test suite.

However: the truth is that the performance is high enough that probably the difference between browsers is not too important to the user. BUT I care that the ones caring to do such a deep, and wide-ranging, and long-term testing, is Mozilla!



Note that this is not even about preferences. To use Safari I just would have to change my way of working; Safari is simply not up to it.

On a side note: I found this thread because I was looking for a Safari equivalent of Firefox's TreeTabs. While TreeTabs is amateurish, it is just a standard Firefox extension, and it works. Now, to get something kinda-maybe-similar in Safari I have to use a SIMBL? Ugh.... I thought those hacks had disappeared around 10.6.

You won't use a simple plugin but no issue with browser extensions. Totally makes sense

 

[brdeveloper]

You're browsing wrong.

 

[mijail]

You won't use a simple plugin but no issue with browser extensions. Totally makes sense

You have no idea what you're talking about, and have not even tried getting informed nor plainly thinking a bit about the subject. (Hint: why SIMBLs and all their family tree have always been considered hacks for more than a decade, and why did they get banned some OS X versions ago? And why *every* browser has moved to ban plugins, but to accept extensions? The answer is the same for both questions.)

If you are interested, say so and I will try explaining. If you don't, enjoy your "simple plugin", and good luck. You'll need it.

 

[KALLT]

I agree that Safari is pretty poor for tabs management. This ‘Show All Tabs’ menu seems so disorienting that I very, very rarely use it. I actually liked the overflow menu in earlier Safari versions and don’t like this horizontal scrolling that Safari 8 now has. Nowadays I just open several Safari windows if the browsing session requires me to open lots of tabs.

Safari has always been a peculiar beast. Either you like the user experience it offers or you just don’t. Safari does not encourage you to use lots of tabs, it is how it is.

 

[08380728]

None of you guys in this thread using Omniweb, that's a real browser. Vertical Tabs, Preferences per site, Workspaces great for researching, can have many workspaces containing their own tab sets, built in adblocking, custom user style sheets global and per site, comprehensive Autofill and Autocomplete for forms and passwords, remembers phrases entered into text fields.

My days, where've you all been the last 16 years??

 

[vexorg]

It's not needed most people won't need more than 3 or 4 tabs open. It's not productive or efficient, just lazy.

 

[mijail]

It's not needed most people won't need more than 3 or 4 tabs open. It's not productive or efficient, just lazy.

Not as lazy as pulling blanket, based-on-nothing statements out of your rear end.
But yeah, you seem efficient at that.

 

[vexorg]

Not as lazy as pulling blanket, based-on-nothing statements out of your rear end.
But yeah, you seem efficient at that.

Well, if it was a common problem then it would have been addressed. If it's an idiot problem then apple (and other) righty ignore it.

And yes, I must seem more efficient any anything I do by comparison. Get over it.

 

[mijail]

See? You keep doing it like nobody's business! You're good!

 

[Niico]

btw- this is not a SLAM on Safari, I truly want to find a way to use it... firefox has crappy memory management and lacks the connectivity I want, but this is a big issue for me.

Here's 50 tabs open (its actually more like 60, don't even get me started on how i can collapse related tabs tree-style)....

Perhaps you should close some tabs. There is *absolutely zero* reason to have that many tabs open. You can just 'bookmark all tabs' - I guarantee you won't come back to 90% of them.

Not only do they represent a waste of memory for the computer - they act as a mental overhead too - making it much harder to find whatever tab you're looking for. These just as well can be bookmarked.

Clean up your browser, clean up your life. I also recommend removing almost all icons from your dock - mine has only 2 permanent icons in - again a clear dock = a clear mind (like a clear desk).

 

[mijail]

There are plenty of reasons to have much more than 50 tabs open - and maybe they all are closed one day and other 100 pop up, depending on what is being done.

'If a cluttered desk is a sign of a cluttered mind, of what, then, is an empty desk a sign?' - Albert Einstein

 

[Niico]

Give me a couple of reasons why they can't either be dealt with or bookmarked right now.

I used to be like you - but now I just "bookmark all tabs" and rarely come back to any of them. It's just better on many levels.

 

[lowepg]

Give me a couple of reasons why they can't either be dealt with or bookmarked right now.

I used to be like you - but now I just "bookmark all tabs" and rarely come back to any of them. It's just better on many levels.

I appreciate the life advice, but don't assume everyone browses the web the same way you do.

Here's a quick example:
I'm often doing research on multiple companies for sales presentations. As such, I'm pulling info from over a dozen (or more) web pages. Having all those windows open makes grabbing the info very simple. If I had to open and close all these windows if would be ridiculously more work.

Also, I will likely never visit any of the pages again- so bookmarking them all serves no purpose.

 

[mijail]

Just as an example: because when I refer back to any of them in the next 5, 10, 15 minutes, I would have to search for the tab and/or the contents manually, instead of letting the computer do it for me. Meaning, I would have to try the bookmark, search inside the loaded page, try again.

Bookmarking in my use case is worse than useless, and I have not used bookmarks for longer than 7 years now. Either I am using something, or I can search for it faster through a search engine than through a local bookmarks mountain.

Why is it so hard for you to understand that there are different ways to work, and different needs, than what you know?

 

[Niico]

I appreciate the life advice, but don't assume everyone browses the web the same way you do.

Here's a quick example:
I'm often doing research on multiple companies for sales presentations. As such, I'm pulling info from over a dozen (or more) web pages. Having all those windows open makes grabbing the info very simple. If I had to open and close all these windows if would be ridiculously more work.

Also, I will likely never visit any of the pages again- so bookmarking them all serves no purpose.

Yes you deal with a dozen tabs - do the work - then close them. You had 50+ tabs open. Also you are not mostly doing 1 task with 12 tabs - you're just going from branch to branch and not closing tabs - and eventually you might go back up the tree.

Everyone basically does browse the web in the same way - some people are just more efficient at closing tabs - and some leave them open (like I used to) - and put huge strain on their system resources and screen tab real estate - because of laziness.

Now obviously - if you want to keep doing that go ahead. But there is no good reason to work that way - your computer life could be better and more ordered.

 

[mijail]

Seems to me that it's not that you're "more efficient at closing tabs", but rather that you're less efficient at understanding that the world is bigger than your imagination.

Only for dictionaries I have already 5 tabs open. The subject I am dealing with right now needs 3 sets of about 20 tabs each. Go swoon.

Looks like Einstein really had a point about empty desks.

 

[lowepg]

Yes you deal with a dozen tabs - do the work - then close them. You had 50+ tabs open. Also you are not mostly doing 1 task with 12 tabs - you're just going from branch to branch and not closing tabs - and eventually you might go back up the tree.

Everyone basically does browse the web in the same way - some people are just more efficient at closing tabs - and some leave them open (like I used to) - and put huge strain on their system resources and screen tab real estate - because of laziness.

Now obviously - if you want to keep doing that go ahead. But there is no good reason to work that way - your computer life could be better and more ordered.

Lol, laziness.

Respectfully, you really don't know what your talking about.

This may shock you, but not all of us use the web simply for shopping on Amazon....

Just because YOU cant fathom more sophisticated ways to use software doesn't mean others won't.

Bill Gates, "640k memory is more than enough for everyone"
Nicco, "4 tabs is more than enough for everyone"

 

[Niico]

Lol, laziness.

Respectfully, you really don't know what your talking about.

This may shock you, but not all of us use the web simply for shopping on Amazon....

Just because YOU cant fathom more sophisticated ways to use software doesn't mean others won't.

Bill Gates, "640k memory is more than enough for everyone"
Nicco, "4 tabs is more than enough for everyone"

Oh, you have a sophisticated system.

I just assumed it was you not closing or bookmarking tabs and letting them pile up...

Please explain your sophisticated system to us. (I presume you won't answer).