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Tweetie 2.0

return7 said:
good read imo http://bit.ly/3X2Gon
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Yup. There's not a lot of money to be had for the independent developer. The general idea is that if you came make an application to support another application you've got reason to put money into it. For example, a companion app for the iPhone. Think Remember the Milk or Things. You have a desktop app or web app that pays for the development of the mobile version. You can recoup costs over a longer period of time but for the casual 1 person shop, it's very difficult to live on. So much competition and so many choices. You need to be unique, make a name for yourself, or just get lucky.

A lot of us would love to believe we could make an amazing application and get rich from it. But sadly it doesn't happen that way.
 
caligurl said:
hmmmmmmm if i already owned tweetie, i have to admit that i'd probably be ticked at having to pay for an upgrade...
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People who have any inkling about what it takes in terms of time and money to create and sustain an app, and to maintain a server system that is capable of delivering reliable push to a base as large as tweetie has (and which is sure to get larger) won't complain. All the rest are just ignorant...
 
abiyng87 said:
People who have any inkling about what it takes in terms of time and money to create and sustain an app, and to maintain a server system that is capable of delivering reliable push to a base as large as tweetie has (and which is sure to get larger) won't complain. All the rest are just ignorant...
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Unfortunately, Tweetie 2 doesn't have push (unless it's been announced in the last couple of days).

But everything else about your post is absolutely true. ;)

P.S. I'm still pissed about my dark theme being taken away.
 
lostprophet894 said:
Unfortunately, Tweetie 2 doesn't have push (unless it's been announced in the last couple of days).

But everything else about your post is absolutely true. ;)

P.S. I'm still pissed about my dark theme being taken away.
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From what I've read, theres push for tweets by a specific account...but not for your @ mentions or DMs. Pointless implementation of push IMO.
 
labman said:
I was looking at it today and debating the $4.99 seems loaded with stuff

http://www.stone.com/Twittelator/Twittelator_Pro_Features.html

and screen shots
http://www.stone.com/Twittelator/Twittelator_Screens.html
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I use Birdfeed primarily. Anxious for the next update to come out. Buzz and Neven are fantastic UI guys. I expect the app to become top notch in due time. To me it isn't about the features but about the experience. Birdfeed is missing some features but the polish is amazing considering what they've done so far.

I've never used Twittelator. I have Tweetie as well, I can't see myself using anything but Tweetie or Birdfeed at this point.
 
labman said:
I was looking at it today and debating the $4.99 seems loaded with stuff

http://www.stone.com/Twittelator/Twittelator_Pro_Features.html

and screen shots
http://www.stone.com/Twittelator/Twittelator_Screens.html
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Twittelator is awesome! It's the best Twitter app IMHO. I don't even use the Twitter website anymore (even if I'm sitting right in front of my computer) because Twittelator does everything. You will not be disappointed. I was initially skeptical as well because of the steep price. But it is definitely worth it. The only flaw of the app is that it does not offer push. But the developer is going to implement it in the future. At the moment I use IM+ for push. There are also other alternatives like Boxcar. :D
 
sparkles61785 said:
Twittelator is awesome! It's the best Twitter app IMHO. I don't even use the Twitter website anymore (even if I'm sitting right in front of my computer) because Twittelator does everything. You will not be disappointed. I was initially skeptical as well because of the steep price. But it is definitely worth it. The only flaw of the app is that it does not offer push. But the developer is going to implement it in the future. At the moment I use IM+ for push. There are also other alternatives like Boxcar. :D
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Twittelator is a great app. The developer is active on twitter communicating the latest developments of the app. Another great app is Simply Tweet, which just got a major update complete with added features tonight...FOR FREE. Simply Tweet also has push for DM's and @replies. Twittelator has also made its updates with major feature additions FOR FREE. You don't see them bitching and complaining about money. They work very hard. Simply Tweet has had several major updates with new features recently, it is up to 2.4, and the developer is already working on 2.5, pushing it out already to beta testers. Loren bitches and complains, waits WAY too long to update the app, alienates a lot of his followers by charging for what should be a free update, and his app doesn't even have many of the features the competing apps have. But he has the fanboys fighting tooth and nail for him. Personally, I don't feel bad for him. I work hard too. I am a research librarian for a major law firm. You don't see me bitching, complaining, and wanting more money because a lawyer in our firm made a lot of money in a case because of research I did for him/her. The attorneys would be up in arms if I charged them per research task. The fanboys seriously need to shut it.
 
I searched that twittleator Pro feature site and didn't find PUSH, so that's a no go for me.

I use SimplyTweet and it rocks. It has push for mentions and DMs. Also let's you upload videos if you have 3Gs. I love it! I haven't found anything better yet.
 
Chumbake said:
I use SimplyTweet and it rocks. It has push for mentions and DMs. Also let's you upload videos if you have 3Gs. I love it! I haven't found anything better yet.
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Also a SimplyTweet user and feel the same here. Love the conversation tracking and the developer is very active and responds to questions in a timely manner

that said when Tweetie 2 comes out I think I'll spend the $2.99 to check it out
 
I own Tweetie 1 and have been using Twitterific lately. I was going to hold out for Tweetie 2 but have been really looking into SimplyTweet after reading this thread and doing some research. what to do what to do
 
nyisles84 said:
I own Tweetie 1 and have been using Twitterific lately. I was going to hold out for Tweetie 2 but have been really looking into SimplyTweet after reading this thread and doing some research. what to do what to do
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SimplyTweet is great! Its like Tweetie on steroids, but still has a simple user interface. Plus great features that Tweetie 2 wont have at launch, such as push @mentions/DMs (Tweetie developer claims theres no reliable way to do this...weird, SimplyTweet does it perfectly!) and SimplyTweet will display a badge number on the timeline/@mention/DM tabs displaying how many unread messages there are.

Another one to look at would be EchoFon Pro. That was my app of choice, but right now it only pushes @mentions/DMs every 10-15 minutes. SimplyTweet is almost instant.
 
SimplyTweet 2.4 update appeared on appstore last night and took yet another step ahead of all the others, really is the one to beat now in my opinion, use it everyday - again though, I'll still check out Tweetie 2 when it's out.
 
I really like Tweetie, but I can't get over the update for hire. I think if we're going to move toward developers charging for updates then they should be required to change the name if it is supposedly a "all new app". The $3 is nothing and I don't begrudge a dev trying to make a living, but it's a principal thing for me.

I also don't like that he had done away with the theme choices. Just getting to like bubbles.

I just downloaded Tweetdeck based on a recommendation from a trusted friend. I like the organization system. It supports my O.C.D. :D

I'm going to rock Tweetdeck until the Tweetie "update" comes out and see what people's opinions are after they use it for a while.

Steve
 
normwood said:
I really like Tweetie, but I can't get over the update for hire.
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You better get used to it. Now that developers have had their apps in the store for a while now, you are already seeing a lot of version 2 apps hitting the stores. And it has nothing to do with it being a single developer or larger companies. Both are doing this. Of course it is no surprise since this is how actual software development works on just about every other platform.
 
normwood said:
I really like Tweetie, but I can't get over the update for hire. I think if we're going to move toward developers charging for updates then they should be required to change the name if it is supposedly a "all new app". The $3 is nothing and I don't begrudge a dev trying to make a living, but it's a principal thing for me.
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I don't mean to be argumentative or rude but an app's name is a brand. You don't just throw away a brand after you work hard to build it up. That's just absurd. Also, what's the ethical principal that's been broken by the guy selling software and then selling a 2.0 separately? This happens with games, desktop apps and movies all the time. It's like saying you should get a 2010 Camry for free after you bought the 2009 model or you should be able to watch Spiderman 2 for free in theaters because you bought a ticket to Spiderman 1. How about EA's sports games that come around every year...you should get a perpetual license because you bought one of them? I just don't understand the argument. When you buy software, you're buying a license to use the *current feature set.* If they give you more for free, then that's awesome. Sure, there might be better apps our there and if that's the case then your (and my) power as a consumer is to buy the better app. Even if it weren't a new app, he should have the right to sell his 2.0 version however he sees fit. If it's a crappy move then consumers should let him know by not buying it. The amount of time and technology that goes into one of these cheap, quality apps is astounding and people don't seem to understand the massive devaluation and price cuts developers take to try and compete in a market where the consumer wants everything for free. It doesn't take 3 hours and $99 to write a quality app. Just my 2c.

Edit: And to be clear, we put out lots of free updates and do our best to take good care of our customers. I'm not advocating screwing people over -- I'm a consumer too and buy plenty of apps myself.
 
bozzykid said:
You better get used to it. Now that developers have had their apps in the store for a while now, you are already seeing a lot of version 2 apps hitting the stores. And it has nothing to do with it being a single developer or larger companies. Both are doing this. Of course it is no surprise since this is how actual software development works on just about every other platform.
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Right. Unless, of course, we'd rather these companies just close up shop and we can all toy around with 99c fart apps all day long.
 
return7 said:
I don't mean to be argumentative or rude but an app's name is a brand. You don't just throw away a brand after you work hard to build it up. That's just absurd. Also, what's the ethical principal that's been broken by the guy selling software and then selling a 2.0 separately? This happens with games, desktop apps and movies all the time. It's like saying you should get a 2010 Camry for free after you bought the 2009 model or you should be able to watch Spiderman 2 for free in theaters because you bought a ticket to Spiderman 1. How about EA's sports games that come around every year...you should get a perpetual license because you bought one of them? I just don't understand the argument. When you buy software, you're buying a license to use the *current feature set.* If they give you more for free, then that's awesome. Sure, there might be better apps our there and if that's the case then your (and my) power as a consumer is to buy the better app. Even if it weren't a new app, he should have the right to sell his 2.0 version however he sees fit. If it's a crappy move then consumers should let him know by not buying it. The amount of time and technology that goes into one of these cheap, quality apps is astounding and people don't seem to understand the massive devaluation and price cuts developers take to try and compete in a market where the consumer wants everything for free. It doesn't take 3 hours and $99 to write a quality app. Just my 2c.

Edit: And to be clear, we put out lots of free updates and do our best to take good care of our customers. I'm not advocating screwing people over -- I'm a consumer too and buy plenty of apps myself.
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Like I said I don't begrudge anyone any profit or living. I just think there should be a line drawn between what and "update" is and what a "brand new app" is. In this particular instance I think it is a brand new app and should be differentiated as Tweetie 2 or something. Call it what it is. In my opinion it isn't an "update".

You Spiderman and Camry arguemts are WAY off base completely support what I am suggesting. I don't take my Spiderman movie to Blockbuster and have them update it with new scenes. I don't take my Camry to the Toyota dealer and have them convert it to a 2010 model. I am buying new products and getting rid of the old ones.
 
normwood said:
Like I said I don't begrudge anyone any profit or living. I just think there should be a line drawn between what and "update" is and what a "brand new app" is. In this particular instance I think it is a brand new app and should be differentiated as Tweetie 2 or something. Call it what it is. In my opinion it isn't an "update".
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I see, I misunderstood. Apologies. :D I thought you meant he should have to drop the "Tweetie" name all together. He basically has two options on the App Store:

1) Release it as Tweetie and give it away to existing customers free (and set the version number to 2.0)
2) Release it as Tweetie 2 (or some other similar name) and charge everyone

I don't think he can just pull the old tweetie, replace it AND have everyone pay.

I think drawing a line in the sand on what is an update and what's a new version is tough. There's a lot of ambiguity there that I don't think we (and by that I mean consumers) wouldn't want Apple to try and decide. Is it 3 features? Is it 10? What constitutes a new feature?
 
return7 said:
I see, I misunderstood. Apologies. :D I thought you meant he should have to drop the "Tweetie" name all together. He basically has two options on the App Store:

1) Release it as Tweetie and give it away to existing customers free (and set the version number to 2.0)
2) Release it as Tweetie 2 (or some other similar name) and charge everyone

I don't think he can just pull the old tweetie, replace it AND have everyone pay.

I think drawing a line in the sand on what is an update and what's a new version is tough. There's a lot of ambiguity there that I don't think we (and by that I mean consumers) wouldn't want Apple to try and decide. Is it 3 features? Is it 10? What constitutes a new feature?
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:D Glad I could clarify my position. Aren't internet forums wonderful.

I agree that there will never be a fine line between and update and a new app and I sure don't want to be the one to make the decision. :rolleyes:

Have a good one!

steve
 
Eminemdrdre00 said:
From what I've read, theres push for tweets by a specific account...but not for your @ mentions or DMs. Pointless implementation of push IMO.
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I think push was meant to be a secret that certain testers let out of the bag. Didn't they have to sign an NDA for bigbird? I mean how can anyone install a push app AND NOT remember seeing apple's PUSH APP NOTIFICATION notice? So I don't know how the review sites are saying it has push and then all of a sudden doing a retraction and saying "opps" it doesn't.

The dev has also replied to most other questions except the ones regarding push.

I'm waiting to see.
 
Eminemdrdre00 said:
SimplyTweet is great! Its like Tweetie on steroids, but still has a simple user interface. Plus great features that Tweetie 2 wont have at launch, such as push @mentions/DMs (Tweetie developer claims theres no reliable way to do this...weird, SimplyTweet does it perfectly!) and SimplyTweet will display a badge number on the timeline/@mention/DM tabs displaying how many unread messages there are
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Yes Simplytweet is a really good twitter client. I get DM/@s within 2 minutes tops and best of all is the way it does it's polling so that it doesn't use up my twitter API calls like most other push twitter apps do.

I don't know how the dev does it but I'm sending him requests/bugs at all times of the day and he replies almost immediately. That alone justifies the $.

Tweetie from what I've read has a really large userbase. How it compares to Echofon's I'm not sure.

IMO Large Userbase = Major hardware + More bandwith usage on the developers side = More upkeep $.

Shouldn't the cost of tweetie 2.0 cover this? I don't know. But I would gladly pay a monthly subscription for push services if need be.

Tweetie set the standard for twitter clients. Let's see if Tweetie 2.0 raises it much higher :)
 
normwood said:
I just think there should be a line drawn between what and "update" is and what a "brand new app" is. In this particular instance I think it is a brand new app and should be differentiated as Tweetie 2 or something. Call it what it is.
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*Points at thread title*

It IS called Tweetie 2.
 
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