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BvizioN

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I'm hoping the stainless steel version does not go over £1000 but only time will tell.

Are you serious? Is it possible for the stainless steel watch to go that high on price? What is it about stainless steel? I was expecting something around £1000 for the gold watch and not the stainless steel one. No way I will pay that much.
 

Dave245

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Are you serious? Is it possible for the stainless steel watch to go that high on price? What is it about stainless steel? I was expecting something around £1000 for the gold watch and not the stainless steel one. No way I will pay that much.

I don't know, this is Apple we are talking about, And the $349 price tag is starting at, I'm really hoping it doesn't, I plan on buying one with a couple of extra straps (sports band for exercising and a midnight blue strap) but like I say we won't know offically until Apple either release the watch or hold an event and announce pricing.
 

OllyW

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If the main body of the watch is 1mm thick, and I know that sounds thin, but when you get that small it's not actually in percentage wise, 1mm in all directions, we'd be looking at approx. $1200 £750 of raw gold value.

When you add on manufacturing costs and Apple's ample profit margin that £750 will soon jump to in excess of £1500, especially once VAT and import taxes are applied.

Of course there is no way of confirming your estimate is accurate so I'd still be hesitant in guessing an actual selling price.
 

Piggie

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When you add on manufacturing costs and Apple's ample profit margin that £750 will soon jump to in excess of £1500, especially once VAT and import taxes are applied.

Of course there is no way of confirming your estimate is accurate so I'd still be hesitant in guessing an actual selling price.

Manufacturing costs for gold should be no real different to Aluminium and in reality less than Stainless.

If we cut out all the Ohhhh It's Gold silly talk, it's just metal.

A soft one, easy to cut like Aluminium, just worth more to us humans :)

I still think there is a lot of silly talk going on here with some prices, Over £1000 for stainless Steel £4000+ for gold

We'll see soon enough :)
 

jabingla2810

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I think people are being very conservative with their price predictions here.

A lot of people will be shocked when the pricing is announced.

My prediction:
Sport Watch with sport band: £300
Apple Watch with leather buckle: £500
Apple Watch with link braclet: £850
Apple Watch Edition: £2500+

And I think I might be on the conservative side, although I hope I'm not!
 

OllyW

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Manufacturing costs for gold should be no real different to Aluminium and in reality less than Stainless.

If we cut out all the Ohhhh It's Gold silly talk, it's just metal.

A soft one, easy to cut like Aluminium, just worth more to us humans :)

I still think there is a lot of silly talk going on here with some prices, Over £1000 for stainless Steel £4000+ for gold

We'll see soon enough :)

Yes but Apple are not going to simply pass on the cost of the raw material to the retail price. There's no way Apple would sell the Edition around £1000 mark if there is £750 worth of gold in the case. Where are their profits going to come from?

Anyway, it's all guess work at the moment. :p
 

AFEPPL

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I can't work out where apple are pitching the watch.
At 1k, the price has started to enter the luxury watch market and they simply won't sell the volumes to make any money from it.

I would expect apple are wanting this to make them a bucket load of money, to do that it needs to be priced for the masses. The price for the watch therefore needs to be under the price of the phone, £299 maybe would be my guess, but it needs to be less than that for mass adoption, maybe as low as £199 and then accessory like bands ranging in price based on what they are made of. Owning several expensive watches i can't see why i would dump those and get a watch that has no more functionality than the phone, or iPad I'm already carrying.
 

Julien

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Yes but Apple are not going to simply pass on the cost of the raw material to the retail price. There's no way Apple would sell the Edition around £1000 mark if there is £750 worth of gold in the case. Where are their profits going to come from?

Anyway, it's all guess work at the moment. :p

You are debating the "thin eggshell" case with "Say $100 worth of gold maximum" proponent. Careful you may be reported as trolling.:D:D:D
 

Dave245

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I think people are being very conservative with their price predictions here.

A lot of people will be shocked when the pricing is announced.

My prediction:
Sport Watch with sport band: £300
Apple Watch with leather buckle: £500
Apple Watch with link braclet: £850
Apple Watch Edition: £2500+

And I think I might be on the conservative side, although I hope I'm not!

I was trying to think worse case scenario with the stainless steel edition. I'm hoping that your prediction is correct it would certainly make it cheaper :D It will also be interesting to see how Apple prices the straps/bands separately because i'm sure most people (myself included) will want to buy extra bands, for example those of us who exercise will want to get the sport band.
 

Julien

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Jun 30, 2007
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I think people are being very conservative with their price predictions here.

A lot of people will be shocked when the pricing is announced.

My prediction:
Sport Watch with sport band: £300
Apple Watch with leather buckle: £500
Apple Watch with link braclet: £850
Apple Watch Edition: £2500+

And I think I might be on the conservative side, although I hope I'm not!

...and I think you are probably thinking in the correct direction.;) The SS will be a big step up in price and the Edition.....well if you have to ask then you can't afford it.

This is why Apple is making 3 lines. So they can offer a wide price spread.
 

Dave245

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...and I think you are probably thinking in the correct direction.;) The SS will be a big step up in price and the Edition.....well if you have to ask then you can't afford it.

This is why Apple is making 3 lines. So they can offer a wide price spread.

It would be wise of them to make 3 lines in different pice ranges, they can then meet different price points for different people. Personally if the stainless steel version is too much then I might go for the Sport Edition as i will need the sport band either way for the gym.
 

Defender2010

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If the Stainless Steel version is near £1000 I'll eat my iPhone. That's ridiculous! Way out guessing. £500 is prob close to the mark. Correct me in March.
 

Dave245

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If the Stainless Steel version is near £1000 I'll eat my iPhone. That's ridiculous! Way out guessing. £500 is prob close to the mark. Correct me in March.

It probably is way out an that's what I'm hoping for, I would love to see the Watch I want for £500 I'm just thinking worse case. And by that I did mean the most expensive version with the most expensive strap/band. I also intend on buying extra straps/bands such as the sport band, as I've mentioned before.
 

BillabongJoe

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My guesses/hopes. First I hope both sizes will cost the same it would be annoying to have to pay 50 quid more just for being a guy and not having small wrists.
My guesses for prices

£299 for the Sport.
£399 for the Steel with sport bands
£449 for Steel with leather bands
£499 for Steel with metal bands

God knows for the editions ones, I don't care either as I'm not getting one.

I just hope that I can get a 42mm steel with leather loop for under £500
 

Dave245

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My guesses/hopes. First I hope both sizes will cost the same it would be annoying to have to pay 50 quid more just for being a guy and not having small wrists.
My guesses for prices

£299 for the Sport.
£399 for the Steel with sport bands
£449 for Steel with leather bands
£499 for Steel with metal bands

God knows for the editions ones, I don't care either as I'm not getting one.

I just hope that I can get a 42mm steel with leather loop for under £500

I like those prices, if they are around those marks it will be good. We might not even get the Apple Watch in April, I've read that it may be US first and then we will get later.
 

Piggie

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Feb 23, 2010
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Problem I see is, most people would want a whole desktop computer for those prices.

They certainly never paid that much for their phones as they got them on contract.

They may MAY have an iPad or probably a cheaper Android tablet.

Expecting a sudden £500 for a watch is still, I think asking a hell of a lot, actually WAY TOO MUCH for the general public.

That's a nice large screen TV for the whole family these days, or 2 laptops for the kids type pricing.

£100 and we'd be talking, but that's not going to happen.

I can see £100 ish good Android watches, just like you can get £100 ish phones and £100 ish tablets not that are VERY popular.

five times that amount is never going mainstream, esp as, unlike a phone you can't get them on contract so you don't really see the price.
 

Mascots

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Problem I see is, most people would want a whole desktop computer for those prices.

They certainly never paid that much for their phones as they got them on contract.

They may MAY have an iPad or probably a cheaper Android tablet.

Expecting a sudden £500 for a watch is still, I think asking a hell of a lot, actually WAY TOO MUCH for the general public.

That's a nice large screen TV for the whole family these days, or 2 laptops for the kids type pricing.

£100 and we'd be talking, but that's not going to happen.

I can see £100 ish good Android watches, just like you can get £100 ish phones and £100 ish tablets not that are VERY popular.

five times that amount is never going mainstream, esp as, unlike a phone you can't get them on contract so you don't really see the price.

Paragraphs, my friend, make responding to you a whole lot easier when your thoughts are collectively grouped.

A few million people and I paid $300-$500 for an iPod in 2005, while competing devices were a fraction of the price. Prior to 2007 and it was unusual to pay $200 (on contract) for a phone unless you needed it for biz. Now people pay $200-$500 with no problem.

We'll be fine. The general market knows that: A: Quality hardware is expensive, especially out of the gate, and B: Apple has a premium on it
 

Piggie

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Paragraphs, my friend, make responding to you a whole lot easier when your thoughts are collectively grouped.

A few million people and I paid $300-$500 for an iPod in 2005, while competing devices were a fraction of the price. Prior to 2007 and it was unusual to pay $200 (on contract) for a phone unless you needed it for biz. Now people pay $200-$500 with no problem.

We'll be fine. The general market knows that: A: Quality hardware is expensive, especially out of the gate, and B: Apple has a premium on it

Thanks for the recommendations on the way I post, but I'll continue writing as I like, and please feel free to write things in the way you like also :)

You must accept that Apple is a VERY small player in the UK with computing goods. It's doing ok with phones that people buy for little on a 2 year contract, but you go look in a computer store.

Rows and rows of windows Laptops and still some desktops, people buzzing all around, buying things, and a tiny stand on the end with Apple on it.

I've no doubt, it will sell well to some, but I am speaking off MASS market.
The Nexus 7 and Hudl2 and windows £299 laptop market.

Those are the mass consumers. I know I work with enough of them.
Only 1 person (one of the boss's friends) has an iMac, everyone else has PC's and not good ones either, and they 95% have Android mobiles.

No way are they £500+ watch buyers.
 

Mascots

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Thanks for the recommendations on the way I post, but I'll continue writing as I like, and please feel free to write things in the way you like also :)

...

Of course! I wasn't trying to negatively rag on your style as it is nothing personal, just letting you know it's quite hard to read and understand sometimes, especially with such large thoughts!

While I am not sure of the metrics in the UK, I can say quite the opposite about my personal experiences across the ocean! The penetration of Apple products in the consumer market has been incredible in the last decade.

Also, don't forget that those people are probably not the people Apple is targeting for the  Watch.
 

Piggie

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Feb 23, 2010
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While I am not sure of the metrics in the UK, I can say quite the opposite about my personal experiences across the ocean! The penetration of Apple products in the consumer market has been incredible in the last decade.

Also, don't forget that those people are probably not the people Apple is targeting for the  Watch.

Must admit, Mac "computers" penetration from my perspective for the people I work with and friends and family has been a giant ZERO for the past decade or more.

As I say, I know 1 person with an iMac and that's that.

The only Apple products I've known anyone with, are a few iPads and a few iPhones. The VAST majority is Android.

I guess this varies for everyone though, perhaps if I worked "in the City" with corporate people, my experiences would be different?
 

virginblue4

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Thanks for the recommendations on the way I post, but I'll continue writing as I like, and please feel free to write things in the way you like also :)



You must accept that Apple is a VERY small player in the UK with computing goods. It's doing ok with phones that people buy for little on a 2 year contract, but you go look in a computer store.



Rows and rows of windows Laptops and still some desktops, people buzzing all around, buying things, and a tiny stand on the end with Apple on it.



I've no doubt, it will sell well to some, but I am speaking off MASS market.

The Nexus 7 and Hudl2 and windows £299 laptop market.



Those are the mass consumers. I know I work with enough of them.

Only 1 person (one of the boss's friends) has an iMac, everyone else has PC's and not good ones either, and they 95% have Android mobiles.



No way are they £500+ watch buyers.


I'm not sure whereabouts in the UK you live, so I can't comment but the majority of phones that I see are iPhones. They very much dominate over android devices.

I'm a university student and when in lectures, I guarantee 90% of laptops are MacBooks with the remaining 10% being Windows laptops. I also know more people who have Macs (both desktop and laptop) than those who have PC's (I'm now talking outside of university).

I also commute by train 4 days a week to work and the majority of phones are iPhones.

I personally see the Apple Watch doing just as well in the UK as I do in the US (proportionally of course).
 

Piggie

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I'm not sure whereabouts in the UK you live, so I can't comment but the majority of phones that I see are iPhones. They very much dominate over android devices.

I'm a university student and when in lectures, I guarantee 90% of laptops are MacBooks with the remaining 10% being Windows laptops. I also know more people who have Macs (both desktop and laptop) than those who have PC's (I'm now talking outside of university).

I also commute by train 4 days a week to work and the majority of phones are iPhones.

I personally see the Apple Watch doing just as well in the UK as I do in the US (proportionally of course).

I'm in the South East :)

I suppose it's VERY dependent on the age of the people you know and the types of work they do.

:)

Perhaps a little unfair, but I would instantly draw a conclusion about anyone with a iMac :)
I know I'd looks a bit sheepish and have to explain myself if I had to admit to owning one :)
 
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OllyW

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I suppose it's VERY dependent on the age of the people you know and the types of work they do.

I'd agree with that.

I'm a middle aged, average income earner working in engineering and I'd say about half of my friends own iPhones with most of the rest owning Android with a few Windows phones thrown in. It's a similar mix with computers with Windows probably slightly winning out over Macs.

None of my friends seem to be showing a lot of interest in the :apple:Watch. I've had a few mention it but most of them don't seem to be sure exactly what it does. A few of them own nice watches (and earn a lot more than me) so it's not just the cost that's putting them off, they just can't see the point of it from the information that's been released so far. They don't follow tech sites like MacRumors so their information will be coming from the general press and TV.

I would expect interest to be a lot higher in students and people working in high-tech but I think the general public will need much more education on the product before they take the bait.

I think the :apple:Watch will be a success but it will be a grower rather than an instant runaway hit.
 

virginblue4

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I'm in the South East :)

I suppose it's VERY dependent on the age of the people you know and the types of work they do.

:)

Perhaps a little unfair, but I would instantly draw a conclusion about anyone with a iMac :)
I know I'd looks a bit sheepish and have to explain myself if I had to admit to owning one :)


Also in the South East! :)

I agree though, definitely dependent on age and types of work.

I don't understand your last point though? What would your conclusion be? Hard workers who can afford to treat themselves? Not being rude, I just don't understand your last point.
 
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