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Ultimate rumor: Starcraft 2
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Starcraft is just AMAZING! I've waited for a new one for years. What every happened to Starcraft Ghost? They said they were working on that for a while and I guess it never saw a release, either that or it released right under my nose
No, they up and canceled the release for it. It was suppose to come out a few months back, but I think about a year ago they put out a message saying "Nope, no dice here."
except that the warlords battle cry series came years before do exactly the same thing except even more sophisticated in terms of leveling
but those games only were 2d
it actually included not only heros but also some sot of companions which emans that if you fight a battle and use some units often you then can take single men further along in the campaigns with their stats improving further
and the latest installment included _16_ races
if you want warcraft 2 on steroids it's the first choice
in terms of 3d games i found Battle Realms much better than the original warcraft 3
starcraft never was my kinda deal .. i guess i'm not the only one who thought it were a disappointment at the time
I've enjoyed all Blizzard games (including Rock N Roll Racing and Lost Vikings) except World of Warcraft (then again I don't like MMORPGs at all) so a new Starcraft sounds like an awesome idea, I really hope they make it more similar to Warcraft 3 or just keep the old SC play but add heroes and a few twists. I can't wait to see more of the Starcraft universe in full detailed 3D, when playing Starcraft I always wish we could use the wheel to zoom and check out the interesting creatures up close.
Protoss are definitely one of the most original Alien ideas anyone has ever published in my opinion, and the Zerg are not bad either.
Also, if a Diablo III ever comes out (its unlikely considering the Blizz North team no longer exists) it will probably be World of Diablo and be a MMORPG a la WoW. Sadly Blizzard has been bitten by the MMORPG and realized how much money it produces. Diablo is an RPG franchise just DYING to become a MMORPG (sadly in my opinion).
Anyways, I'll definitely buy Starcraft 2 when (if) it comes out.
BTW Blizzard has already played a bit with 3D Starcraft and WC3 engine, in WC3 there are 3D models for a Zergling, Hydralisk, Marine and Space Orc (lol).
Protoss are definitely one of the most original Alien ideas anyone has ever published in my opinion, and the Zerg are not bad either.
Also, if a Diablo III ever comes out (its unlikely considering the Blizz North team no longer exists) it will probably be World of Diablo and be a MMORPG a la WoW. Sadly Blizzard has been bitten by the MMORPG and realized how much money it produces. Diablo is an RPG franchise just DYING to become a MMORPG
(sadly in my opinion).Anyways, I'll definitely buy Starcraft 2 when (if) it comes out.
BTW Blizzard has already played a bit with 3D Starcraft and WC3 engine, in WC3 there are 3D models for a Zergling, Hydralisk, Marine and Space Orc (lol).
I've heard that as well. If they make it I will buy it...unless it is a piece of subscription software. I wonder of they had it mostly finished at some point but decided to modify it in light of the success of WoW...that's what got me a bit scared.
I have a hard time buying into a D3, seeing as how most (if not all) of the original team has since left Blizzard. I doubt it would be up to snuff.
SC2 would take up far too much of my time.
I hope you're wrong.
If anyone can produce a quality sequel to D2, it's Blizzard...they may have lost the original Diablo team but they're still producing excellent software on a similar theme, so I'm hopeful.
I'm pretty confident that Starcraft 2 will be a worthy sequel. Didn't play the original game much, but I have a couple friends who were into it, and I thought it was a great game.
Diablo III would be cool, however I think with WoW Blizzard needs to start appealing to their RTS fans who haven't had a release in quite a while. Even warcraft 4 would be great (altho with WoW I don't think this is likely for awhile)
Come on you guys, I know it's a (probably bad) translation, but that's one of the lamest rumors I've ever read...even by MacRumors standards. I will be in shock if that is true. They are all about WoW now, don't expect a new SC, Diablo, or anything else until they have milked that cow dry.
That is pessimistic considering Blizz already teased us by putting a Zergling, Hydralisk and Marine models in Warcraft 3 along with a bonus cutscene to go with it. Also they teased us again at the Burning Crusade launch. And the final tease was the April Fool's Day joke reminding players who initiated playing Blizzard games with WoW that Warcraft is a strategy franchise, first and foremost.
They definitely haven't forgotten about their other franchises, they have milked WoW long enough.
Then again I might be too optimistic... but one thing is for sure, the Starcraft franchise is not dead and the Warcraft as RTS franchise might not be dead either.
One of the Blizzard Mac guys said they were working on 4 projects. That was a while ago, and presumably one of those 4 was Burning Crusade, but that still leaves 3 non-WoW games. He's also left a couple of cryptic hints in topics about upcoming Mac games (on another forum). Like this. See post #26....
--Eric
--Eric
Actually, I'm ready to call the Starcraft over. Canceled Ghost for really no reason, that was 6 years of work wasted.
But they just hired people and rehired people to remake the whole Blizzard North team. That could mean that Warcraft, Diablo, and Starcraft are still alive and kicking. It does show us that at least one of them is still alive.
EDIT: Blizzard is announcing a game at Blizzcon. Which is a celebration of the Warcraft, StarCraft, and Diablo franchises and the players who have helped make them so popular around the world. It has to be one of the games that did make them known, but which?
But that wasn't developed internally at Blizzard. So it doesn't really count.
--Eric
I think Starcraft 2 is a very likely option - check this out
www.starcraft.com - goes nowhere
www.starcraft2.com - goes to a WoW page
might say a lot that might.
Blizzard will have their hands full with releases of such great RTS's since their hay day. One that immediately jumps to my mind is Warhammer 40k Dawn of War the lore that Star Craft itself is based on. Seeing the current direction of Blizzard i wouldn't b the least surprised if they released World of Starcraft before another RTS there is just more $$$ in MMOs.
I am not saying I want this to happen I love me some RTS but blizzard just seems to be doing what makes em the most money and milking the mmo thing dry IMO.
I am not saying I want this to happen I love me some RTS but blizzard just seems to be doing what makes em the most money and milking the mmo thing dry IMO.
Well, Starcraft actually did do Heroes, but they didn't get really fleshed out until WC3 (at least for Blizzard). They were only in the single player campaigns, and they didn't actually level up, but at a root level they were Hero Units and had better HP/Attacks.
More races definitely doesn't make an RTS better, either. In fact the mere idea of 16 races makes me not even want to play the game. Balance issues go up exponentially when you go past 2 races, so even 4 can be a real trick to get right. Luckily for Blizzard fans, they keep their RTS games updated all the time, and patches to improve the balance happen a lot more then any other RTS that I've seen. Going up to 16 races, I just can't imagine the game being very balanced at all... that or all the races are actually the same, which makes it pointless.
As for Battle Realms, I so wanted to love that game, but from a Strategy perspective it's really weak. After playing it for awhile I began to realize how little strategy their was. The chaining of rally points seems awesome when you start playing, but in the end it reduces the micro management so much a lot of the game is mostly automated. And then the units are slim-pickings. Samurai are great, but the game doesn't give many options clever battle strategies with so few units, what is it.... Staff, Bow, Sword... and then you can optionally use towers?
It had some good ideas, but it's excessive automation took a lot of the "game" out of it, and left it feeling like an RTS for people who don't really like RTS games...
That's the kind of heroes that I like. I don't really wanna spend time upgrading them and whatnot, I just want a stronger unit. I just can't see the fun in having to level up my Jim Raynor or Kerrigan, I don't see starcraft as that kind of game.
In a way you did kinda leveled Kerrigan, in the first missions she only has cloak and ensnare I think but on later missions after recovering some ghost projects files or whatever she gains psionic storm and some other thing.
Heroes in Warcraft 3 on the storyline are stronger units from the get go then they just grow, it makes the story very cool actually, your hero's power is reflected on storyline changes. Heroes are extremely cool, I really hope Starcraft 2 gets them.
And for the 16 races comment, what is the point? If they are like Civ and AoE races where each race has one (or few) unique units and different tech trees then that just an inflated number, it works for games like Civ and AoE because they deal with history but 3 or 4 completely unique races is much more interesting.
I don't think they'll add a Kerrigan race, too similar to Zerg I'd say... maybe Xel'Naga or a flawed or something Protoss/Zerg hybrid?
In a way you did kinda leveled Kerrigan, in the first missions she only has cloak and ensnare I think but on later missions after recovering some ghost projects files or whatever she gains psionic storm and some other thing. And in a way Raynor leveled up as well, he started on a crappy Vulture and eventually commanded Hyperion.
Heroes in Warcraft 3 on the storyline are stronger units from the get go then they just grow, it makes the story very cool actually, your hero's power is reflected on storyline changes. Heroes are extremely cool, I really hope Starcraft 2 gets them.
And for the 16 races comment, what is the point? If they are like Civ and AoE races where each race has one (or few) unique units and different tech trees then that just an inflated number, it works for games like Civ and AoE because they deal with history but 3 or 4 completely unique races is much more interesting.
I don't think they'll add a Kerrigan race, too similar to Zerg I'd say... maybe Xel'Naga or a flawed or something Protoss/Zerg hybrid?
Meh. I mean, heroes were cool as a one-time thing, but I'd rather not see them again. It seemed like it limited the gameplay to being pretty similar all the time. Or maybe just limit them to the single-player campaign.
--Eric
There's only one real source of competition...
Dawn of War. DoW is in many respects the industry's successor to Starcraft, it just never existed on the Mac.
If Blizz did a third installment of SC there'd be seven distinct groups left over from the BW storyline:
Human. Imperialist, dark, think about the Central Alliance of Firefly.
Human/Protoss collective (Raynor). Consolidated Protoss and Human tech. Marines with shields and a decent hand-to hand attack, Tanks that have anti-air, cloaking all around, etc.
Genetically Engineered Zerg (Kerrigan). Broader variety and appliccability of unit upgrades. BYO Zerg critters.
Overmind Zerg. Traditional Zerg with a few new tricks (Lurkers with anti-air?)
Xel Naga. Included because they'd have to be but I'd think they'd be at the very, very end. Look at DoW's "Space Elves" for some ideas here.
Hybrid Xel Naga project (Durandt). Protoss use of energy/shields, Zerg style healing, human style cybertech and heal-able units.
Protoss Remnant
Dawn of War. DoW is in many respects the industry's successor to Starcraft, it just never existed on the Mac.
If Blizz did a third installment of SC there'd be seven distinct groups left over from the BW storyline:
Human. Imperialist, dark, think about the Central Alliance of Firefly.
Human/Protoss collective (Raynor). Consolidated Protoss and Human tech. Marines with shields and a decent hand-to hand attack, Tanks that have anti-air, cloaking all around, etc.
Genetically Engineered Zerg (Kerrigan). Broader variety and appliccability of unit upgrades. BYO Zerg critters.
Overmind Zerg. Traditional Zerg with a few new tricks (Lurkers with anti-air?)
Xel Naga. Included because they'd have to be but I'd think they'd be at the very, very end. Look at DoW's "Space Elves" for some ideas here.
Hybrid Xel Naga project (Durandt). Protoss use of energy/shields, Zerg style healing, human style cybertech and heal-able units.
Protoss Remnant
one thing i don't want to see in starcraft 2 is blizzard creating many playable races. they had (and probably still have) huge problems balancing the races in warcraft 3. starcraft has had far fewer patches because it only had three races to worry about instead of four, among other reasons i'm sure.
i'd rather not see heroes return, not in the style of warcraft 3 anyway. maybe some different kind of hero system? i dunno. the most important thing to me is good gameplay.
i'd rather not see heroes return, not in the style of warcraft 3 anyway. maybe some different kind of hero system? i dunno. the most important thing to me is good gameplay.
Let's hope this rumor isn't a rumor at all but actual information. Comon Blizzard, lay off from WoW and do some "real" work.