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Almost everything is cheaper in the US. Why should Macs be any different?

The average wage in the UK is about £25k, about US$50k... land, energy, transport; all more expensive in the UK. Goods are priced to their local market. See the Big Mac Index.

I invite you to go to the Portugese Apple site. The Portugese average wages are lower, land, energy, etc; all less expensive in Portugal. But that Euro price however.......
 
I invite you to go to the Portugese Apple site. The Portugese average wages are lower, land, energy, etc; all less expensive in Portugal. But that Euro price however.......

...is very unfortunate but Apple would be risking people let´s say from UK buying in Portugal. Due to free market ec regulations nothing could prevent them (UK residents).
 
Apple are clearly in the business to make money, but given the change in the $ and the outdated specs, they may soon find that the only people wiling to buy are you guys in the US. And i'll give you some credit, I don't think even you guys will carry on buying them given how much of a con they currently are.
 
Just been playing

Well just been on the dell site built this:

Components
Intel® Core™ 2 Quad-Core Processor Q6600 (2.40GHz, 1066MHz, 8MB cache)
Genuine Windows® XP Professional - English
Base Warranty - 1 Year XPS Premium Hardware Support (incl. Gaming and On-Site Support)
Logitech QuickCam Express Plus - free headset included
Monitor Not included
4096MB 800MHz Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM [4x1024]
1TB Serial ATA RAID 0 Stripe (2x500GB 7200rpm drives with DataBurst™ cache)
16x DVD+/-RW & 48x CDRW/DVD Combo Drive
SINGLE 768MB nVidia® GeForce® 8800 GTX graphics card
Accessories
Sound Blaster® X-Fi Xtreme Music PCI Soundcard
No Speakers
Dell™ Enhanced USB Multimedia Keyboard - UK/Irish (QWERTY)
Dell Optical Scroll Premium Mouse
19-in-1 Media Card reader
No Modem
Microsoft® Works 8.0 - English
Services & Software
No Accidental Damage Support
No Security/Anti-Virus Protection - English
Also Includes
English Documentation with No Power Cord (for Non H2C Systems)
D127204
Dimension Order - UK
Base Warranty - 1 Year XPS Premium Hardware Support (incl. Gaming and On-Site Support)
Dell Internet Order.
XPS 720 Resource CD ( XP only)

for £1,444.25
Includes VAT & Shipping.

Sorry but Apple are starting to get really left behind. 4GB of RAM for god sake, 1 TB of storage, and it's stilll cheaper than the recommended Mac Pro.
 
And i'll give you some credit, I don't think even you guys will carry on
buying them given how much of a con they currently are.

Agreed. And it worries me. I have no love for Apple hardware, but OS-X is
the best (only) reasonably-priced, stable, high-quality unix system available,
and the only unix platform with an acceptable base of "home computing"
software. Linux is fine for servers, but it can't compete in client space.

If Apple computers become uncompetitive due to a growing price disparity
relative to commodity PC hardware, Apple-funded OS-X development will
suffer. I'd be delighted to see Apple license OS-X to run on ordinary PCs and
allow the free market to decide whether Apple hardware deserves to survive.

LK
 
Apple are clearly in the business to make money, but given the change in the $ and the outdated specs, they may soon find that the only people wiling to buy are you guys in the US. And i'll give you some credit, I don't think even you guys will carry on buying them given how much of a con they currently are.
Oh jeez. Another "Death of Apple" predictor.....how many times since 1984 have we heard this stuff?
 
If Apple computers become uncompetitive due to a growing price disparity
relative to commodity PC hardware, Apple-funded OS-X development will
suffer. I'd be delighted to see Apple license OS-X to run on ordinary PCs and
allow the free market to decide whether Apple hardware deserves to survive.

LK

Are you TOTALLY unaware of the history of the personal computer industry?
 
If Apple computers become uncompetitive due to a growing price disparity
relative to commodity PC hardware, Apple-funded OS-X development will
suffer. I'd be delighted to see Apple license OS-X to run on ordinary PCs and
allow the free market to decide whether Apple hardware deserves to survive.

LK

I think it highly unlikely that Steve will license OS X to run on nasty plastic PCs (similarly, remember what happened to StarMax 4000?). And besides, he doesn't need to. According to John Fortt's blog in Fortune, Apple has $15bn stashed away at the moment. When I was a boy that was a lot of money.
 
Well just been on the dell site built this:

Components
Intel® Core™ 2 Quad-Core Processor Q6600 (2.40GHz, 1066MHz, 8MB cache)
Genuine Windows® XP Professional - English
Base Warranty - 1 Year XPS Premium Hardware Support (incl. Gaming and On-Site Support)/ SNIP/

I know I sound like a prat right now but that isn’t the issue either. Apple are in the position to command those prices in Europe because they clearly have a product that is in demand. The complete package they offer still doesn’t have enough competition to persuade them to do anything about the European price level. Why should they?

If you want an iMac or other product you just have to fork out that cash. I did, and I don’t regret it. The only thing that raises my eyebrows however is the way our US cousins constantly sweet-talk this difference. Apple are treating their home market better than the Euro market. It is their prerogative. This will become a never-ending story but I just want to list a few prices and ask if those that reside in the US still find them acceptable in terms of value for money and competitiveness.

20” 2.4 GHz. iMac base model: $ 1668
24” 2.4 GHz. iMac base model: $ 2013
8 GB iPod Nano: $ 273
Mac Mini, base model: $ 689

All prices are without local taxes.
 
Agreed. And it worries me. I have no love for Apple hardware, but OS-X is
the best (only) reasonably-priced, stable, high-quality unix system available,
and the only unix platform with an acceptable base of "home computing"
software. Linux is fine for servers, but it can't compete in client space.

If Apple computers become uncompetitive due to a growing price disparity
relative to commodity PC hardware, Apple-funded OS-X development will
suffer. I'd be delighted to see Apple license OS-X to run on ordinary PCs and
allow the free market to decide whether Apple hardware deserves to survive.

Are you TOTALLY unaware of the history of the personal computer industry?

LK

Quite, the reason Apple is the only surviving company from the beginning of the PC revolution is because their equipment was expensive enough for them to be able to plough money into R&D for the future. That the Apple II had large margins is why they managed to develop the Mac. And is a large reason why Altair, Radio Shack and Commodore aren't 100 billion dollar companies.
 
I think it highly unlikely that Steve will license OS X to run on nasty plastic PCs (similarly, remember what happened to StarMax 4000?). And besides, he doesn't need to. According to John Fortt's blog in Fortune, Apple has $15bn stashed away at the moment. When I was a boy that was a lot of money.

Not all PCs are nasty plastic. But no PC is an iMac....
 
Well just been on the dell site built this:

<<Dell System>>

Sorry but Apple are starting to get really left behind. 4GB of RAM for god sake, 1 TB of storage, and it's stilll cheaper than the recommended Mac Pro.


a) Its not a workstation, it doesn't use a Xeon processor.
b) Apple will up the specs of their computers when they stop selling record numbers of Macs every quarter.
 
20” 2.4 GHz. iMac base model: $ 1668
24” 2.4 GHz. iMac base model: $ 2013
8 GB iPod Nano: $ 273
Mac Mini, base model: $ 689

All prices are without local taxes.

If they are selling, generating sales in a volume that satisfies Apple, then yes...they have value and are competitive.
 
It's like that in Canada too, our dollar is higher than the US's and we still get over charged, but every company does it, except, well Wal-Mart :p
 
Quite, the reason Apple is the only surviving company from the beginning of the PC revolution is because their equipment was expensive enough for them to be able to plough money into R&D for the future. That the Apple II had large margins is why they managed to develop the Mac. And is a large reason why Altair, Radio Shack and Commodore aren't 100 billion dollar companies.

No. Hewlett Packard is and they are a 104 billion dollar company.
 
No, you don't understand. Project these prices onto the US market.
I do understand. Sales is what matters.

No, at that price those computers wouldn't be competitive in the US to Apple's satisfaction. In the Netherlands, those prices appear to be fine. If they weren't generating enough sales at a given price point in a given country, Apple would change the prices, right?
 
No. Hewlett Packard is and they are a 104 billion dollar company.

But Hewlett Packard is not a computer company. It is a printer company:rolleyes: Sorry, not a printer company. A highly successful printer ink manufacturer.
 
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