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The market value is not about sales, it's about perception.

So if people in the Netherlands perceive that Macs cost too much in the Netherlands, they won't buy them, sales will decrease, and the market value will decrease. Yes?
 
Apple is actually a $170 billion company, who is worth more than IBM ($150 billion). HP are worth $130 billion. (links are to the stock pages on Google Finance)

What is your point? I just stated that HP were there before Apple even existed and they are still there. Well, I didn't state that but Apple isn't the ONLY company that survived the early PC days. Djeez, you don't have to prove anything to me.
 
People would don't invest in an alternative platform provider, they invest in a monopolic music player vendor.
 
What is your point? I just stated that HP were there before Apple even existed and they are still there.

HP were in the Mini-Computer market in the 1970's these aren't the same thing. Look at this.

EDIT: In your previous post you implied that HP is the only company worth $100 billion dollars, sorry I misread your post.

People would don't invest in an alternative platform provider, they invest in a monopolic music player vendor.

Investors care about profits, they don't care about market share. Apple's Mac business is very profitable so its a large part of their value.
 
So if people in the Netherlands perceive that Macs cost too much in the Netherlands, they won't buy them, sales will decrease, and the market value will decrease. Yes?

It's not about what customers perceive. It's about investors being convinced the company will go up or down.
 
HP were in the Mini-Computer market in the 1970's these aren't the same thing. Look at this.

It is unwise to quote web sources because I could do the same:

HP is acknowledged by Wired magazine as the producer of the world's first personal computer, in 1968, the Hewlett-Packard 9100A.[11] HP called it a desktop calculator because, as Bill Hewlett said, "If we had called it a computer, it would have been rejected by our customers' computer gurus because it didn't look like an IBM. We therefore decided to call it a calculator, and all such nonsense disappeared." An engineering triumph at the time, the logic circuit was produced without any integrated circuits; the assembly of the CPU having been entirely executed in discrete components. With CRT display, magnetic-card storage, and printer, the price was around $5000.

You don't have to defend Apple on my account. Relax :cool:
 
It is unwise to quote web sources because I could do the same:

HP is acknowledged by Wired magazine as the producer of the world's first personal computer, in 1968, the Hewlett-Packard 9100A.[11] HP called it a desktop calculator because, as Bill Hewlett said, "If we had called it a computer, it would have been rejected by our customers' computer gurus because it didn't look like an IBM. We therefore decided to call it a calculator, and all such nonsense disappeared." An engineering triumph at the time, the logic circuit was produced without any integrated circuits; the assembly of the CPU having been entirely executed in discrete components. With CRT display, magnetic-card storage, and printer, the price was around $5000.

You don't have to defend Apple on my account. Relax :cool:

This is true, I think you've beaten me :p. I'm just arguing for the sake of it really, its fun sometimes.

Apple has a P/E ratio of 50. That is not about profits.

OK true, therefore Apples stock is mostly priced on potential. The iPod market is currently virtually saturated. So its not about that then.

This is the last post I'm making in this thread as Goodwatch says I'm getting worked up about it.
 
This is true, I think you've beaten me :p. I'm just arguing for the sake of it really, its fun sometimes.



OK true, therefore Apples stock is mostly priced on potential. The iPod market is currently virtually saturated. So its not about that then.

This is the last post I'm making in this thread as Goodwatch says I'm getting worked up about it.

Frans says: "it is way past you bed time anyway" :p
 
It's not about what customers perceive. It's about investors being convinced the company will go up or down.
It's entirely about what customers perceive. The Nederlander that asked the question thinks he's paying too much for Apple hardware. Aapparently the majority of Europeans don't agree with him about market value of Apple products since Apple sales in Europe have grown by more than 30% each year over the last 3 years.
 
OK true, therefore Apples stock is mostly priced on potential. The iPod market is currently virtually saturated. So its not about that then.

Most of the soaring came from the iPod, but I think lately the price has increased mostly because of market share gains as Macs are seen now as Windows machines.
 
It's entirely about what customers perceive. The Nederlander that asked the question thinks he's paying too much for Apple hardware. Aapparently the majority of Europeans don't agree with him about market value of Apple products since Apple sales in Europe have grown by more than 30% each year over the last 3 years.

Is forum member MMA (the OP) a Dutchman (or woman). How do you know this? :confused:
 
It's entirely about what customers perceive. The Nederlander that asked the question thinks he's paying too much for Apple hardware. Aapparently the majority of Europeans don't agree with him about market value of Apple products since Apple sales in Europe have grown by more than 30% each year over the last 3 years.

This is a PC country. I see iPods, not a Mac invasion.
 
This is a PC country. I see iPods, not a Mac invasion.
If Apple is OK with that, I'm OK with that.

I don't care what you buy. As long as you keep sending money to Apple Inc. to help fund R&D for my computers, I'm happy.
 
I don't care what you buy. As long as you keep sending money to Apple Inc. to help fund R&D for my computers, I'm happy.

I just bought an Acer because the Macbook is lame for the price.
 
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