Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.

cynics

macrumors G4
Jan 8, 2012
11,959
2,156
The S4 is smaller then the S3 but with a bigger screen. That is something I wish all manufactures would start doing. The iPhone seems especially bad at this. I thought for sure the iPhone 5 would have a bigger screen in a 4/4S size phone. The Razr M is about the same size as the iPhone 5 with a 4.3" screen.
 

xraydoc

Contributor
Oct 9, 2005
11,030
5,491
192.168.1.1
Its probably a combination of both. If Samsung haven't enhanced or optimised TouchWiz outside of just adding more S'Apps then the little.big processor might not be the best fit for the OS and software.

We won't know until review units show up, but given this will be out in 6 weeks and is therefore clearly in mass production now - I'd be surprised if there is a dramatic difference between now and release.


It would be interesting if we could get a side by side comparison of the Snapdragon and the Exynos versions and we might be able to see if that contributes to the difference - and if it is in both - clearly Touchwiz is to blame.
Doesn't matter what processor it's running. Android lags. We won't see any significant improvement until KLP.
 

MRU

macrumors Penryn
Aug 23, 2005
25,370
8,952
a better place
I still see lag and stutter in multiple s4 hands on videos.

It's really pathetic.

Indeed, cannot understand how is it possible...


Gizmodo did a hands-on and reported the lag too. They had a HTC One on hand so could do a side by side comparison.

There has been a ton of hype and build-up to this device, and ultimately, it left us feeling cold. The S IV feels uninspired. There are small spec bumps from the previous generation and there's a ton of software which will largely sit unused. There's just no wow-factor here.

I had the HTC One with me during my hands on time, and the difference is like night and day. For starters, the One is noticeably faster in every context. When flicking between screens, opening apps, and taking photos there was clear lag on the Galaxy S IV, whereas everything was almost instantaneous on the One. To be fair, this wasn't the final production version of the S IV, and who knows which processor was in the model I had. There's a chance it'll be faster at launch.

xlarge.jpg


http://gizmodo.com/5990644/samsung-galaxy-s-iv-hands-on-everything-new-is-old-again
 

b166er

macrumors 68020
Apr 17, 2010
2,062
18
Philly
ha that would be awesome if they did a drop test v an iPhone during the presentation

It would be awesome. Show us how the thing holds up to every day hectic life. Show us how scratch resistant the screen is, how crack resistant the back is, etc. And what better way to demonstrate that than to compare your gadget with the competition? From start to finish the entire Samsung event the other day was a botch. The features they showed off were cool, but they spent no time on the real specifics.

I think a lot of people decide what to buy based on their past experiences, not just simply a brand name or an OS. Will the batter last all day? If I drop it, will it shatter? Stuff like that.
 

jamojamo

macrumors 6502
Feb 12, 2010
387
7
You might have something there. :) The front page (News discussions) of MacRumors has a thread with well over a 1000 posts about a Samsung phone, no other thread on that page comes close to the post count. If it was such a crap phone surely it would not be worth a comment.

So true. And all the posters saying how crappy and stale iOS/iPhone is make me think the same thing.
 

tjl3

macrumors 6502a
Mar 8, 2012
595
4
So true. And all the posters saying how crappy and stale iOS/iPhone is make me think the same thing.

After all that hype, what do you expect? When iPhone 5 came out it was consumer hype. Samsung created so much buzz and we are left feeling indifferent.

That's not to say that the GS4 isn't a great cutting edge device. But most of us were expecting something different.
 

McCool71

macrumors 6502a
Sep 16, 2012
561
280
year of the ir blaster!

I'm actually looking forward to this - it was the main 'new' feature of the HTC One that made me consider going back to HTC for the tirst time in years.

A few years ago quite a few phones had IR built in so that you could control your TV/Stereo/Cable box/DVD-player/Aircondition and so on directly from your phone. And still today the vast majority of devices requiring a separate remote control use IR.

I'll never know why they stopped implementing this highly useful feature - I used it all the time and really look forward to doing it again - this time no doubt with a highly programmable remote control app so I can put the 5 remotes in my living room in a box for good.
 

nick_elt

macrumors 68000
Oct 28, 2011
1,578
0
It's an eight core device but only four cores run at once.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the A7 will probably not be as fast as the processor in the S3, so every day tasks will be slightly slower. That might explain any lag? Or it could just be pre-production models.

the octa core model doesn't overwhelm me, i hope the s4 800 will be an option but haven't seen what the other processor is exactly, s4 600?

----------

Also we're talking about a device that hasn't even been released to the public yet.

exactly, give it a month after launch to iron out any problems (or maybe even b4 launch?) then compare.
 

MRU

macrumors Penryn
Aug 23, 2005
25,370
8,952
a better place
the octa core model doesn't overwhelm me, i hope the s4 800 will be an option but haven't seen what the other processor is exactly, s4 600?

1.9ghz s4 600. It will only be an option if your buying a US model. International model will have the Exynos 5.
 

blackhand1001

macrumors 68030
Jan 6, 2009
2,600
37
1.9ghz s4 600. It will only be an option if your buying a US model. International model will have the Exynos 5.

The snapdragon 600 may be a better option overall anyway. (especially the ddr3 version in the s4, over 40 fps in egypt hd 1080p offscreen) Cortex a15 was designed more for tablets and servers which is why the a7 companion cores were needed. The nexus 10 with its dual core was extremely fast with pretty much no lag. It seems that the companion core architecture needs a little tuning before the launch.
 
Last edited:

Krimsonmyst

macrumors 6502
Dec 18, 2012
302
1
note 2 does not lag. it seems Samsung has gone backwards if the s4 does indeed lag.

Keep in mind the models that were used for hands on at the press conference likely weren't release models, and may not have release software on them.
 

Essenar

macrumors 6502a
Oct 24, 2008
553
186
Every phone that comes out from this point forward is going to be very marginal compared to the year before. The same thing happens with any technology. Back when HDTV's came out, it was HUGE if they had 1080p. Now it's commonplace and image quality increases are marginal.

When smart phones started to really gather steam, multi core processors, high resolution screens and screen size were the important features. Those have more or less reached a high enough average that anything else is just a little better.
 

onthecouchagain

macrumors 604
Mar 29, 2011
7,382
2
Every phone that comes out from this point forward is going to be very marginal compared to the year before. The same thing happens with any technology. Back when HDTV's came out, it was HUGE if they had 1080p. Now it's commonplace and image quality increases are marginal.

When smart phones started to really gather steam, multi core processors, high resolution screens and screen size were the important features. Those have more or less reached a high enough average that anything else is just a little better.


Yup.

Except I'd add that there is more for Apple to develop and add to their iPhone than there is for Samsung and other competitors. And that's simply because Samsung's already added nearly everything you could add.

But they're still going at it, though. New sensors to the S4, is an example. Sony going full water-proof is another. Kudos to them for still trying despite diminishing returns.

Cannot say the same for Apple. In fact, Apple is playing the slow game, and intentionally so.
 

Essenar

macrumors 6502a
Oct 24, 2008
553
186
Yup.

Except I'd add that there is more for Apple to develop and add to their iPhone than there is for Samsung and other competitors. And that's simply because Samsung's already added nearly everything you could add.

But they're still going at it, though. New sensors to the S4, is an example. Sony going full water-proof is another. Kudos to them for still trying despite diminishing returns.

Cannot say the same for Apple. In fact, Apple is playing the slow game, and intentionally so.

Slow and steady wins the race.

There's a reason this:
sega-tower-of-power.jpg


Still lost to something as simple as this:
f5e_2c84fe916d.jpg


Right now, too many variables are in the air. I don't think either Apple or Samsung is losing at this point. On the contrare, every other manufacturer is getting smashed BADLY. At first it was Apple as King and various Android makers picking up pieces of the 55% left over. Now it's Samsung and Apple.
 

onthecouchagain

macrumors 604
Mar 29, 2011
7,382
2
Slow and steady wins the race.

There's a reason this:
Image

Still lost to something as simple as this:
Image

Right now, too many variables are in the air. I don't think either Apple or Samsung is losing at this point. On the contrare, every other manufacturer is getting smashed BADLY. At first it was Apple as King and various Android makers picking up pieces of the 55% left over. Now it's Samsung and Apple.

... Want to use Nintendo as an example today? :(
 

Oohara

macrumors 68040
Jun 28, 2012
3,050
2,423
Keep in mind the models that were used for hands on at the press conference likely weren't release models, and may not have release software on them.

Found this quote on Androidcentral: "Also, the software we used on the Galaxy S4 was very pre-production, less finished than what's on our HTC One."
 

MacRazySwe

macrumors 65816
Aug 7, 2007
1,205
1,083
1.9ghz s4 600. It will only be an option if your buying a US model. International model will have the Exynos 5.

This is not perfectly true. Samsung Sweden has confirmed that we will be getting the "US" model as well - The Snapdragon, the same goes for several other EU countries. This is apparently due to the fact that the Exynos does not support our 4G/LTE frequencies or something along those lines. :)
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.