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I am long into photography and know I can fix these. I did a lot more comparison shoots and the Air was always delivering the better looking results straight out of camera. And no photographic style was dialed in. People (faces) in particular looked somehow strange on the Pro. Maybe I got a defective unit, but when the Air gets the shoot right the first place, the Pro should be able to do these as well, right? Nevertheless the Air also has the good Samsung OLED whereas the Pro Max had the green tilt LG one. After I had the comparison I could no longer use the Pro Max. In the end the Air is such a beautiful phone whereas the 17 Pros are so ugly. By far the worst phone design Apple has ever done. I hope they improve the design somehow in the future.
Ok. Yeah I suppose you may have a defective unit. Many of them from launch day/week had issues as seen in this thread. I bought mine in late December after the rush of getting them out was over and QC had improved. I actually have two silver 17 pro max phones because I love photography as well. I started back in the film days, converted to digital in 2001 with a Nikon D1x.

I hope you didn’t find my post offensive or off, I didn’t know your photography background. Both of my 17 pro max iPhones are equally the same regarding the cameras and display. I picked them up at the Apple Store. The style has grown on me, the 16 pro’s and below look basic now in comparison. Did you get the 17 pro max on launch day? I didn’t know there are faulty displays out there or different manufacturers. I did see the thread on the screen lottery that was posted, but I didn’t look at it. I must have the OLED Samsung as well on both. No tinting at all & both are equal.

I came from the 16 pro max & upgraded to the 17 PM. Mainly because the 16 pro was getting very warm with basic functionality and warmer still when editing in Lightroom. As a long time photographer, I can easily see the difference in image quality. Distant faces and fine details in tree limbs seen on my 17’s has been great. I love the quality I’m getting. I’m glad you like the air, it’s a unique iPhone for sure and the white one has the “Bling” look to it.
 
No everything is fine. Yes got it at launch over my carrier - this makes returning the phone harder as you have to recall the contract as well. And I would have waited 6 weeks for a replacement unit.
 
A subtle difference for my two iPhone 17 pro max models. The camera did well before the update, but I can see a small improvement. The main improvement is with the 4x camera during the day with distant objects, trees mainly, now have a less softer look. Also the 4x camera did well in lower light at home after dark. The image cleans up faster with HEIF & ProRaw. The HEIF 24mp looks even better. Less noise & mush in shadows.

I updated one 17 pro max & left the other alone to compare. The 4x showed finer details of the same object taken with both iPhones. But it was subtle but noticeable. Now both iPhones are updated.

Next I need to see if any improvements have been made with night mode photography, 10” & 30”. I’m glad this update came along, it was unexpected. Probably because 26.3 won’t be here until mid February.
 
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I am definitely noticing the improved focus in the latest update as well. I’ve kept everything on 48mp for awhile to help fix the issue slightly but now I’ve switched back to 24mp and can see the difference from prior photos.

Hoping it only gets better from here!
 
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Yeah… that’s cool. I meant to add that I have seen better focus & less hunting when using the 4x & 8x camera.

A couple of photos of the moon I just took at dusk. I used the Moment Pro Camera II
Link: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/moment-pro-camera-ii/id6748837351

To take the photo of the moon at 4x & 8x. That 8x camera option is really nice even though the output is 12mp. Moon shots taken with the 17 pro max look better than my S25 Ultra. Photos were taken in ProRaw with Lightroom edits. I think it’s great that I can see the craters at 8x!

Using manual focus in the Moment Pro Camera app, I used exposure compensation of -2.75 & manual focus on the 4x at .73 on the manual slider. The setting is the sharpest for the 4x & 8x.

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UPD: unimpressed with 17 series. Read the original post update for more!😀
So, we are for the 4th time when same Quad Bayers get recycled by Apple without much changes, just now we have three of them.
I've long had a "hobby" where I would compare camera quality of different iPhones, and whenever I get opportunity to hunt for real samples from real phones or even take these samples myself, I would gladly do that. This time specifically for the reason of trying to justify the upgrade, and currently I see only disadvantages. Tbh I expected Apple to tone down that processing, not double down on it. Maybe it is just me being too negative though, not trying to offend anyone.

I had been scavenging thru the web for real video and photo samples of new iPhones. Checked every site possible, and if only I could say "nah I don't believe these reviewers, they have certainly made those pics with some older digicams and said these are from iPhone!", NOPE. Vice versa, many samples share same weird defect especially visible in videos: blurriness. Looks like this year Apple increased noise reduction even more.

It is not like super blurry but feels off, like HDR defect or something. Also it feels like it was already high time for Apple to step up and improve this poor lens design. Portrait mode is NOT bokeh and never will be, there should be natural lens bokeh of some sort, older iPhones were totally capable of good bokeh, the best I've seen so far was on 12 and 13 series (from newer ones) and 4, 5, 5s, 6, 7 from older ones. The worst (what I've personally experienced) was on 16 Pro and (looks like that) 17 Pro too, looks cheap.

Yes, I even watched iJustine video! Despite her being criticized over "highly pro-Apple position", video samples are real. You can watch and see for yourself. Some commenters on YouTube even expressed opinions that it seems she is barely covering her disappointment with the latest iPhones and simply does her job: reviews the phone.

And as I said, issue is definitely in processing. We can brag for ages about "tiny smartphone sensors", but the issue is not in sensors, it is the processing you cannot undo, unless you are into RAW, ProRAW and such (which takes a lot of time and effort). Maybe my description is not actually very precise, not "blurry" but more like "cheap-looking". I am well-aware of newcomers such as Camac app that can be paired with something like Lightroom or RAW Power and you can get the exact look you want, but it all takes a lot of time AND resolution: Apple never tells you that camera will still output 12 MP "true RAW" images (do not confuse with ProRAW which is already pre-processed). But you know what's fun? These 12MP edited RAWs will still look better than what comera does on its own, even in 48MP (or better to say, especially in 48MP, given how reliant Quad Bayer is on computations and software).

Forums (just some random examples: 1, 2, 3) have been full of users saying that iPhone camera processing has gotten out of hand in the last 10 years or so. All these "photonic engines" and HDR capabilities often can ruin photos instead of making them better. Even some YouTubers are now voicing their legitimate concerns.

Asking both owners of new phones and owners of older ones: do you feel like iPhone camera could have used better processing on images or is it "all good"? Do you have a feeling that sometimes images come out less sharp than from your older phone, or less sharp than you would have liked them to be, or that phone doesn't take reality as-is but more like computational interpretation of said reality? (awkward shadows where they shouldn't be, strange lighting artifacts when you shoot magenta sunset and it comes out orange and bland, even shutter lags due to said processing).



‼️HUGE UPDATE

I've done my own review of iPhone 17 Pro Max camera.

To be honest I am impressed with the quality of SOOC 24MP HEIF images.
BUT I've actually encountered this blurriness. Not a single YouTube blogger or tech influencer spoke about that issue.
Good thing is that it is an easy fix. Bad thing - honestly why Apple would even do that???

The issue happens when you are trying to shoot thru the window, any type of window - clear or tinted. And for some reason iPhone fails to calculate depth with LIDAR sensor. Sometimes you can fix that by forcing PDAF by covering LIDAR sensor (huge black dot near flash) with your finger or a piece of duct tape.

This might complicate some shooting scenarios where you expect autofocus to work instantly, like when you take a bus ride and want to shoot from the window, or in the passenger's seat in a car. This is why Air and regular 17 might take better images at times.

Also I liked the color science and toned down HDR, they look much closer to life now. Noise reduction also seems to be A LOT better than any previous model ever since 11 Pro. You don't even need Halide anymore for more or less natural shots, SOOC images from Camera app actually shine.

However I would like Apple to do something with iOS 26. It is plain awful and slow. Even on a flagship device. How come???
 
Haven't bothered retesting for quite a while, but now on 26.2.1 48MP HEIFFs actually look surprisingly good with great detail (without massive oversharpening), BUT ProRAWs still look like ass in comparison – absolutely horrible blurred mess, looks like massive amounts of noise reduction applied or something like that. Look at the texture of the beige book spine with number 52 – almost no texture to speak of on the DNG, looks very realistic and crisp on the HEIFF.

And no, you can't sharpen that result out of the blurred mess that is the DNG.

Same subject and similar setup as on my previous test shots, zoomed to 200% in LR.

Also, still nothing from the Apple engineering team on all of my testing & reports… 🫠


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Haven't bothered retesting for quite a while, but now on 26.2.1 48MP HEIFFs actually look surprisingly good with great detail (without massive oversharpening), BUT ProRAWs still look like ass in comparison – absolutely horrible blurred mess, looks like massive amounts of noise reduction applied or something like that. Look at the texture of the beige book spine with number 52 – almost no texture to speak of on the DNG, looks very realistic and crisp on the HEIFF.

And no, you can't sharpen that result out of the blurred mess that is the DNG.

Same subject and similar setup as on my previous test shots, zoomed to 200% in LR.

Also, still nothing from the Apple engineering team on all of my testing & reports… 🫠


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Yeah I see that. However what I’ve found is after editing an image like that in Lightroom cleans it up a lot (as seen with my results). Tree limbs or twigs at a distance didn’t look sharp as a ProRaw file, but looked much cleaner after Lightroom edits. I put my sharpening around 35~40 for DNG files & export at maximum quality of 100% from Lightroom.

Lately I’ve been buying my iPhones 2-3 months after launch as QC improves & the rush to get them out slows. I bought my iPhone 17 pro max phones in late December.
Both have the same image quality and give the same camera results. I’m happy for that!
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Yeah I see that. However what I’ve found is after editing an image like that in Lightroom cleans it up a lot (as seen with my results). Tree limbs or twigs at a distance didn’t look sharp as a ProRaw file, but looked much cleaner after Lightroom edits. I put my sharpening around 35~40 for DNG files & export at maximum quality of 100% from Lightroom.

Well I'm sure glad it works for you, but you clearly didn't check my sample very closely. There's absolutely no detail left in ProRAW to etch out in any post-processing on that book spine I talked about.

I've looked at and processed RAW photos for 20 or so years, most of which professionally, so I have pretty well-trained eyes to differentiate between low initial sharpness and total lack of detail. With my 17 Pro and ProRAWs, it's the latter.
 
Well I'm sure glad it works for you, but you clearly didn't check my sample very closely. There's absolutely no detail left in ProRAW to etch out in any post-processing on that book spine I talked about.

I've looked at and processed RAW photos for 20 or so years, most of which professionally, so I have pretty well-trained eyes to differentiate between low initial sharpness and total lack of detail. With my 17 Pro and ProRAWs, it's the latter.
Yeah, I saw your photo closely. I started my photography journey back in 1989. Converted to digital in 2001. So yeah, I know what I’m doing as well. The samples we post are compressed & low quality on this website. You have an issue with your 17 pro max, I do not. If you have AppleCare I’d suggest getting the camera module replaced. I had this issue with my 16 pro max. Got the camera replaced, problem solved. Also, this may not be software related as I am running the same version of iOS as you & everyone else. My iPhones (17 pro max X2) are not affected. My 16 pro max had a camera clarity issue After every iOS update. A factory restore fixed it temporarily. That’s when I went to the Apple Store and they replaced my camera module. My camera issues were resolved at that point. Prior to that I did many factory restores, but I failed to get a fresh iOS download when doing so. I was putting the same download version on the phone which kept the same issues. So if you factory restores, pull a fresh iOS version (not Beta) of iOS 26.2.1. Otherwise claim warranty on your iPhone and go to an Apple Store if you are able to do so.
 
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UPD: I finally got 17 Pro lol!!! It is a BEAST!

So far I am loving the camera, what a huge step up. And processing seems to be way more natural than even 16 Pro, no plastic nonsense, they now even allow some natural soft noise in photos!

Camera is surprisingly good. I will be posting more in this thread. I was SOOO wrong about it.

The only issue I see so far is that it smh fails to focus in darkness, and only sometimes in few scenarios like shooting thru the windows, however I am more than sure there are workarounds. So if you see blurry shots - just try and shoot again and it will resolve
 
UPD: I finally got 17 Pro lol!!! It is a BEAST!

So far I am loving the camera, what a huge step up. And processing seems to be way more natural than even 16 Pro, no plastic nonsense, they now even allow some natural soft noise in photos!

Camera is surprisingly good. I will be posting more in this thread. I was SOOO wrong about it.

The only issue I see so far is that it smh fails to focus in darkness, and only sometimes in few scenarios like shooting thru the windows, however I am more than sure there are workarounds. So if you see blurry shots - just try and shoot again and it will resolve
My 17 pro max would occasionally not focus on the stars in the night sky, but I haven’t seen the camera miss focus anymore. No issues with mine focus in the dark. But I haven’t taken many low light shots lately, just of the sky and through my telescope. The Orion Nebula though my telescope. I used a phone mount to clamp on the eyepiece to take this 30” night mode image. Edited in Lightroom mobile. I think iOS 26.3 will be released Monday or Tuesday..

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Anyone update to 26.3? I’m hesitant since 26.2 has been a solid camera update for me. I’m afraid it will revert haha
I am about to update right now. I have two 17 Pro Max phones so I’ll update one and leave the other one un updated for a short while to see if there’s any differences
 
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Well I’ve updated one of my 17 pro max iPhones. I tested the default camera & I barely see any difference between the two (iOS 26.2.1 vs 26.3). I use a couple of decorative pillows on my sofa that sit about 13 feet away. The photos are taken in ambient light, lit by three floor lamps. Both cameras used ISO 500. The updated iPhone shows slightly more sharpness & detail compared to the other on 26.2.1. I need more time to test, one hour isn’t enough time to determine much. However I guess the default camera quality isn’t a huge deal for me now as I have purchased the No Fusion camera app for the iPhone. It removes all of Apples aggressively sharpened algorithms from the photos. I really like it. It is $10/yr.

Check out this detailed YouTube video by Alex Artimage. This video is why I bought the No Fusion app! So much customization within the app. I like not seeing over sharpened photos!



Samples: full & super heavy crops. The no fusion definitely looks better to me.
The video shows the app and samples in better detail. This was just a quick shot out the window as I was going home…

Both HEIF images, the No fusion sharpening for the HEIF (HEIC) was set to low. The sharpening can be turned completely off as well. The ProRaw files (again with sharpening & apples baked in “stuff”) edit very nicely in Lightroom mobile.

You can also set custom camera focal lengths. For example, the 4x is 100mm, 8x is 200mm. I set a 135mm option in there. The crop is 26mp at 135mm instead of 12mp at 200mm. A lot more camera options to customize. That’s a cool feature. Can’t go above 200mm though.

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More samples form the camera No Fusion & iOS 26.3. What do you all think of the non aggressive sharpening in these? Sharpening on the HEIF is set to low in the app. The options are: Off, Low, Mid, & High. I really like the app & what it captures. There is no video options in the app. It captures photos only, designed for photography purists mostly, I think. Sorry but I was at a red light shooting out the window, didn’t have time to compare with the default camera. Nothing fancy, just saw the contrasty parts of this church. So I captured these fairly quickly.

4x samples with crops.

Fuji Nostalgic Negative filter in app.
Although somewhat soft, sharpening can successfully be applied as needed.

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Finally a conclusion from my Apple Support ticket: I'm getting a replacement device. Super-annoyed it took so many months to get a decision from Apple, but of course hoping the new device will have solved the issues.

Now just need to figure out how I'll survive a week or so with a backup device that's probably gonna be my old iPhone X that has near-dead battery 😅 (Couldn't get them to just ship in the replacement unit, they need to first receive the faulty unit and only then will they send the replacement in…)
 
Finally a conclusion from my Apple Support ticket: I'm getting a replacement device. Super-annoyed it took so many months to get a decision from Apple, but of course hoping the new device will have solved the issues.

Now just need to figure out how I'll survive a week or so with a backup device that's probably gonna be my old iPhone X that has near-dead battery 😅 (Couldn't get them to just ship in the replacement unit, they need to first receive the faulty unit and only then will they send the replacement in…)
Yeah, that’s strange for them to work with you in that order. Normally, they’ll send out a replacement unit for you to switch your data over to and test out and then send the faulty unit back in the same box. They did that for me last year, but my replacement or faulty unit that I sent back got stolen through FedEx along the way, and the box showed up empty. Which really irritated me, but my photos and letter that I left inside the box were still there so somebody at FedEx stole the phone. I did notice a delay in transit for a day so that’s probably where it happened. hopefully you’ll get your replacement back in your hands pretty soon.
 
Yeah, that’s strange for them to work with you in that order. Normally, they’ll send out a replacement unit for you to switch your data over to and test out and then send the faulty unit back in the same box.
Did you have AppleCare? Mine is only covered through regular warranty and apparently the direct exchange is only possible with AppleCare…
 
Did you have AppleCare? Mine is only covered through regular warranty and apparently the direct exchange is only possible with AppleCare…
Yes, I always buy AppleCare for all devices & pay for it monthly. I have AT&T as my carrier, but never buy insurance from AT&T because they only provide what’s available & most likely refurbished phones when the iPhone is older. It’s pretty cool because Apple representatives can actually log onto your phone and see what you see much like phone connection from a laptop to a laptop. I had some camera issues with my 16 Pro Max and demonstrated live for them as they were connected to my phone and able to see what I was able to demonstrate for them to prove that the camera was bad. I’ll always buy AppleCare monthly for my iPhone, I can cancel AppleCare when I’m ready or if I no longer have a specific device.
 
Yes, I always buy AppleCare for all devices & pay for it monthly. I have AT&T as my carrier, but never buy insurance from AT&T because they only provide what’s available & most likely refurbished phones when the iPhone is older. It’s pretty cool because Apple representatives can actually log onto your phone and see what you see much like phone connection from a laptop to a laptop. I had some camera issues with my 16 Pro Max and demonstrated live for them as they were connected to my phone and able to see what I was able to demonstrate for them to prove that the camera was bad. I’ll always buy AppleCare monthly for my iPhone, I can cancel AppleCare when I’m ready or if I no longer have a specific device.

ah, the monthly deal as a short-term security for possible exchange is actually quite clever! just might get that for the next iphone myself, having learned the lesson hard way this time around 😅 didn't even realize apple care was available as monthly subcription too.
 
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Yes, I always buy AppleCare for all devices & pay for it monthly. I have AT&T as my carrier, but never buy insurance from AT&T because they only provide what’s available & most likely refurbished phones when the iPhone is older. It’s pretty cool because Apple representatives can actually log onto your phone and see what you see much like phone connection from a laptop to a laptop. I had some camera issues with my 16 Pro Max and demonstrated live for them as they were connected to my phone and able to see what I was able to demonstrate for them to prove that the camera was bad. I’ll always buy AppleCare monthly for my iPhone, I can cancel AppleCare when I’m ready or if I no longer have a specific device.
You can cancel for a refund if you pay in full too, which is cheaper.
 
You can cancel for a refund if you pay in full too, which is cheaper.
Well the monthly plan can be paid as long as you have the device as coverage continues. If paid in full you only get the extra year instead of having coverage for several years or however long you keep the iPhone.
 
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