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Unreal Tournament 99 on Leopard, Intel Mac
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Dayuum, this is driving me nuts!
I'm dieing to play this game again, but for the life in me can not get it to work. I'm on a MacBook running OS X 10.4.11. I seemed to have fixed any of the typical 'error' messages that occur and can open UT fine and get onto the main 'home' page fine.
But whenever I try to actually start a game, be it either an actual tournament or just simply in practice mode, it goes as far as that Unreal Tournament 'Precaching' page and then just dies. It quits back to OS X with that God Awful 'The application has quit unexpectedly'.
I've tried everything I can to fix this but to no avail, if anybody can shed any light on the situation, it would be greeeeeatly appreciated! I'm sure as any of you guys that have played this, I miss it and want to play it!
Thanks in advance.
I'm dieing to play this game again, but for the life in me can not get it to work. I'm on a MacBook running OS X 10.4.11. I seemed to have fixed any of the typical 'error' messages that occur and can open UT fine and get onto the main 'home' page fine.
But whenever I try to actually start a game, be it either an actual tournament or just simply in practice mode, it goes as far as that Unreal Tournament 'Precaching' page and then just dies. It quits back to OS X with that God Awful 'The application has quit unexpectedly'.
I've tried everything I can to fix this but to no avail, if anybody can shed any light on the situation, it would be greeeeeatly appreciated! I'm sure as any of you guys that have played this, I miss it and want to play it!
Thanks in advance.
does anyone have any new information on this? this is honestly the only game i want to play
i am still wondering....
1. the os x preview 3 of UT, how well does it work? i read a lot of conflicting reports of no sound, no network, etc...
2. how well does UT run under VMware 2? i read that the mouse has problems, but that was under 1.0.
3. i also saw a "cider" port of the game online, which says it runs 'great' with sound, but i have no info on the netowrking support
so if you run this game, how to do you it and how well does it run?
i am still wondering....
1. the os x preview 3 of UT, how well does it work? i read a lot of conflicting reports of no sound, no network, etc...
2. how well does UT run under VMware 2? i read that the mouse has problems, but that was under 1.0.
3. i also saw a "cider" port of the game online, which says it runs 'great' with sound, but i have no info on the netowrking support
so if you run this game, how to do you it and how well does it run?
Runs ok, a bit slow, but shouldn't be noticeable on modern hardware. There IS sound, but not the music. And multiplayer (both LAN and Internet) works, you just need to install a mod called eavyserverbrowser.umod - google around for it.
At least works on my iMac G5 and MacBook Core 2 Duo, both with Leopard.
CrossoverGames runs it just fine with network support. I have it running with Tactical Ops 1.6 and play it on a server running Linux with mixed Windows, *nix and Mac clients.
The problem with running UT on any modern Mac in any situation, is this.
Crossover, VMWare, UTX Preview 3.... they all have the same problem. When the FPS goes over 300, the game literally speeds up. There is nothing you can do about this. You'll get kicked off servers as the server cheat protection will think you are hacking.
The only way to stop this is to use VSync, or FSAA to lower your FPS. Nvidia users have no way to natively enable VSync, ATI Macs can use ATI Displays to force VSync on though.
Your only real option to get a proper gaming experience out of UT is to buy an older Mac running OS 9, or run it in Windows with proper updates, patches and VSync.
Every method of playing the game on the Mac has pitfalls:
1. UTX Preview 3 Beta OS X client:
Very glitchy, lots of missing features such as no music, limited mouse support, graphical glitches, FPS speed-up problem.
2. Crossover:
No 3D overrides so you can't enable VSync. Even with an updated DirectX driver for UT, the VSync parameter is ignored causing the FPS speed-up problem.
3. VMWare/Parallels:
Random performance, again no VSync either. Mouse issues. Resource heavy due to being a VM. Also has the FPS speed-up problem.
4. PPC Mac with Classic mode in OS X:
Several glitches due to the nature of Classic Mode. Requires 10.4 or lower.
5. PPC Mac running OS 9:
No good renderer. OpenGL is incomplete and has the same glitches as OS X, RAVE is downright ugly and software rendering is too slow.
The only method I've never tried, is with Cider. I really doubt that'll be a valid solution to the problem however.
I really hate to saying it, but if you want to play UT properly, you need Windows or Linux booted on your Mac. Then you can apply VSync with ATI's or Nvidia's software, can enable other graphical goodies and it'll run the way it was meant to be run.
Using a PPC-based Mac with an ATI card will work well enough to play. ATI Displays on an Intel Mac can't force VSync on a PPC application, it just crashes (at least in my experience it does).
If you guys ever want anything to be done about this, see if you can petition Ryan Gordon (icculus) to finish the UTPG.org patch for Macs. He was originally working on it but lost interest and stopped. It would of been a 100% working OS X client that could be perfectly usable and solve all the above problems.
Crossover, VMWare, UTX Preview 3.... they all have the same problem. When the FPS goes over 300, the game literally speeds up. There is nothing you can do about this. You'll get kicked off servers as the server cheat protection will think you are hacking.
The only way to stop this is to use VSync, or FSAA to lower your FPS. Nvidia users have no way to natively enable VSync, ATI Macs can use ATI Displays to force VSync on though.
Your only real option to get a proper gaming experience out of UT is to buy an older Mac running OS 9, or run it in Windows with proper updates, patches and VSync.
Every method of playing the game on the Mac has pitfalls:
1. UTX Preview 3 Beta OS X client:
Very glitchy, lots of missing features such as no music, limited mouse support, graphical glitches, FPS speed-up problem.
2. Crossover:
No 3D overrides so you can't enable VSync. Even with an updated DirectX driver for UT, the VSync parameter is ignored causing the FPS speed-up problem.
3. VMWare/Parallels:
Random performance, again no VSync either. Mouse issues. Resource heavy due to being a VM. Also has the FPS speed-up problem.
4. PPC Mac with Classic mode in OS X:
Several glitches due to the nature of Classic Mode. Requires 10.4 or lower.
5. PPC Mac running OS 9:
No good renderer. OpenGL is incomplete and has the same glitches as OS X, RAVE is downright ugly and software rendering is too slow.
The only method I've never tried, is with Cider. I really doubt that'll be a valid solution to the problem however.
I really hate to saying it, but if you want to play UT properly, you need Windows or Linux booted on your Mac. Then you can apply VSync with ATI's or Nvidia's software, can enable other graphical goodies and it'll run the way it was meant to be run.
Using a PPC-based Mac with an ATI card will work well enough to play. ATI Displays on an Intel Mac can't force VSync on a PPC application, it just crashes (at least in my experience it does).
If you guys ever want anything to be done about this, see if you can petition Ryan Gordon (icculus) to finish the UTPG.org patch for Macs. He was originally working on it but lost interest and stopped. It would of been a 100% working OS X client that could be perfectly usable and solve all the above problems.
My earlier post has a non-umod zip file with the instructions:
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/5211111/
If this isn't installed, the server browser freezes up on the OS X client.
anyone else have problems with getting kicked off the online servers? this is the first i read of this..
also, has anyone tried the "cider" port of the game? do a google search for "unreal tournament cider" in google
- does this version have network support?
- does it have music?
i don't want to waste a day of downloading if it doesn't work ok...
also, has anyone tried the "cider" port of the game? do a google search for "unreal tournament cider" in google
- does this version have network support?
- does it have music?
i don't want to waste a day of downloading if it doesn't work ok...
Can you give us an example of a server that you get kicked off of? Or are you getting kicked off every server?
If it is only a couple servers, it may be over-aggressive cheat protection.
Regarding Cider, the legality of downloading that is highly questionable so be careful a mod doesn't lock your thread here.
The legality comes to question in the fact that owning the Mac version doesn't justify downloading the PC version of UT, different distributors and whatnot. Also, freely redistributing Cider is also highly questionable.
So just be careful about asking for help with Cider + PC UT.
Edit:
Okay, I've tried the Cider process. To my surprise it works VERY well. However, there is a problem with stability and whatnot, mostly when quitting out of UT. So if anyone chooses to use this method, tread with caution and close any unsaved work in other programs.
What Works:
• Updated D3D9 driver from here: http://cwdohnal.home.mindspring.com/utglr/
- This allows you MUCH better control over graphical settings, including the ability to turn on VSync
• Graphics
- No graphical glitches once you use an updated D3D driver made for UT.
• Networking
- Did a quick spectating session on a relatively 'normal' server, no extra MODs and stuff.
• Music
- All the glorious original music plays fine.
What Doesn't Work:
• Window Mode
- Attempting to go to windowed mode just makes the whole screen go black. Game still is running, but requires a force quit.
• Map Editor
- Nice long Windows error message upon loading UnrealEd.exe
• Advanced Preferences Menu
- Entering the command 'preferences' usually makes the game leave full screen and open an advanced menu system for configuring the game way further than the built in menu can. Leaving full screen and opening a Windows.. window.. doesn't work in Cider.
• Default D3D7 Renderer
- Resolutions are reported incorrectly, and at least on my MBP, can't set 1440x900. However, quitting the game works better from this mode because the game at least 'disappears' which allows you to get to Cider to get the dialog box. See my next point for more information.
• Quitting the Game
- This is randomly occurring and I can't seem to reproduce it. Sometimes when quitting out of UT, Cider throws up an error message made by the game upon quit. Problem is, all you see is a freeze-frame of UT right as it was quitting, and can't see what you're doing. Further exacerbating the problem, is the fact that Cider 'hides' so you can't just press your enter key to select okay.
To get around this, forcing a log out with CMD + OPTION + SHIFT + Q, wait a moment, then pressing enter will finally get it to quit without having to force a reboot.
Sometimes force quit works too, but not always.
• Screenshots
- Screenshots simply produce a black BMP image, nothing more, nothing less.
Not Tested:
• Mods of any kind.
- This was a clean install of the Windows UT GOTY edition without anything extra besides the bonus packs and 436 patch.
• Listen Server
- I have no reason to believe this won't work. It's just a standard game you launch, that also allows other people to connect. Seeing how networking and the game work as normal, no reason the two combined shouldn't.
• Dedicated Server
- I have no reason to believe this will work and won't bother testing it. Requires the game launches to a background process with no window, which Cider doesn't like.
Overall, the game does run well. I however can't recommend this as a viable method of playing the game due to stability issues, especially the quitting issue. It also requires a good deal of work on the user's end to get it working. So unless these problems can be resolved somehow, I really can't recommend this at all.
Also, a newer version of Cider may fix some problems, but it also may bring up other issues.
If it is only a couple servers, it may be over-aggressive cheat protection.
Regarding Cider, the legality of downloading that is highly questionable so be careful a mod doesn't lock your thread here.
The legality comes to question in the fact that owning the Mac version doesn't justify downloading the PC version of UT, different distributors and whatnot. Also, freely redistributing Cider is also highly questionable.
So just be careful about asking for help with Cider + PC UT.
Edit:
Okay, I've tried the Cider process. To my surprise it works VERY well. However, there is a problem with stability and whatnot, mostly when quitting out of UT. So if anyone chooses to use this method, tread with caution and close any unsaved work in other programs.
What Works:
• Updated D3D9 driver from here: http://cwdohnal.home.mindspring.com/utglr/
- This allows you MUCH better control over graphical settings, including the ability to turn on VSync
• Graphics
- No graphical glitches once you use an updated D3D driver made for UT.
• Networking
- Did a quick spectating session on a relatively 'normal' server, no extra MODs and stuff.
• Music
- All the glorious original music plays fine.
What Doesn't Work:
• Window Mode
- Attempting to go to windowed mode just makes the whole screen go black. Game still is running, but requires a force quit.
• Map Editor
- Nice long Windows error message upon loading UnrealEd.exe
• Advanced Preferences Menu
- Entering the command 'preferences' usually makes the game leave full screen and open an advanced menu system for configuring the game way further than the built in menu can. Leaving full screen and opening a Windows.. window.. doesn't work in Cider.
• Default D3D7 Renderer
- Resolutions are reported incorrectly, and at least on my MBP, can't set 1440x900. However, quitting the game works better from this mode because the game at least 'disappears' which allows you to get to Cider to get the dialog box. See my next point for more information.
• Quitting the Game
- This is randomly occurring and I can't seem to reproduce it. Sometimes when quitting out of UT, Cider throws up an error message made by the game upon quit. Problem is, all you see is a freeze-frame of UT right as it was quitting, and can't see what you're doing. Further exacerbating the problem, is the fact that Cider 'hides' so you can't just press your enter key to select okay.
To get around this, forcing a log out with CMD + OPTION + SHIFT + Q, wait a moment, then pressing enter will finally get it to quit without having to force a reboot.
Sometimes force quit works too, but not always.
• Screenshots
- Screenshots simply produce a black BMP image, nothing more, nothing less.
Not Tested:
• Mods of any kind.
- This was a clean install of the Windows UT GOTY edition without anything extra besides the bonus packs and 436 patch.
• Listen Server
- I have no reason to believe this won't work. It's just a standard game you launch, that also allows other people to connect. Seeing how networking and the game work as normal, no reason the two combined shouldn't.
• Dedicated Server
- I have no reason to believe this will work and won't bother testing it. Requires the game launches to a background process with no window, which Cider doesn't like.
Overall, the game does run well. I however can't recommend this as a viable method of playing the game due to stability issues, especially the quitting issue. It also requires a good deal of work on the user's end to get it working. So unless these problems can be resolved somehow, I really can't recommend this at all.
Also, a newer version of Cider may fix some problems, but it also may bring up other issues.
thanks for the review on the cider version
i think i'll just have to do without my UT....
i don't want to mess with all the problems, i just want it to work and not worry about it
I might get a windows box hooked up instead... grrrr
i'd do boot camp but then have to reformat hard drive and mess with that (i have 2 partitions already and don't have too much free space 30 gigs or so)... i don't think so
i think i'll just have to do without my UT....
i don't want to mess with all the problems, i just want it to work and not worry about it
I might get a windows box hooked up instead... grrrr
i'd do boot camp but then have to reformat hard drive and mess with that (i have 2 partitions already and don't have too much free space 30 gigs or so)... i don't think so
You could always put Windows on an external drive. It would be a bit slow (unreliable USB 2.0 speeds), but it would work in theory.
It really is a pain to get that old UT running correctly. Right now the easiest way is with either Linux or Windows (or if you're willing to deal with some bugs, a PPC Mac with ATI video card).
The good thing about a dedicated Windows box is you really don't have to worry ever again with playing games properly. I bit the dust a few months ago and built one for $600 and it can handle any modern game at medium-high settings. Like UT3 at 1080p max settings, or GTA 4 maxed out at 1080p.
It really is a pain to get that old UT running correctly. Right now the easiest way is with either Linux or Windows (or if you're willing to deal with some bugs, a PPC Mac with ATI video card).
The good thing about a dedicated Windows box is you really don't have to worry ever again with playing games properly. I bit the dust a few months ago and built one for $600 and it can handle any modern game at medium-high settings. Like UT3 at 1080p max settings, or GTA 4 maxed out at 1080p.
The Windows version works nearly perfect for me with Parallels.
It works even better with Boot Camp, as long as you have enabled compatibility mode.
It works even better with Boot Camp, as long as you have enabled compatibility mode.
I find it hard to justify the cost of Parallels just to play a single game. Add on the fact that Parallels doesn't offer free upgrades (VMWare was free to go from v1 to v2), and also you have to dedicate a lot of system resources to the VM... I just can't recommend that method. I could only recommend it if people had a use for a VM besides playing a game.
You can get a used Mac version (it doesn't matter if it is used, no CD Key or activation etc) at Amazon for just a couple dollars. The PC version can be gotten there as well, even cheaper.
I believe it is also on Valve's Steam software for windows, again only for a few dollars.
I believe it is also on Valve's Steam software for windows, again only for a few dollars.
Hey, I've been looking everywhere for the UT X preview 3 OSX patch. It appears to be removed.. DOes anyone have it? I don't mean the cider thing, I mean the native OSX beta.. thanks
Which version is GOTY? Is it based on UT99?
My UT99 stopped working on 10.5 recently.
I can get it to load, but when I try to join a network game, it always hangs during the file download part.
My UT99 stopped working on 10.5 recently.
I can get it to load, but when I try to join a network game, it always hangs during the file download part.
I tried both the OSX version with the easy patch and without, and I can't get it to work. Browsing works fine with both versions, I can play locally, but it never connects to the servers (no error messages or nothing either, just stays on Connecting after it downloads all the extra files it needs for each server I tried.
I'm just going to give up for now, I do have the PC version I purchased, so I can run under boot camp if I choose to.
Who knows, maybe if a cider port becomes easy to use I will try again.
I'm just going to give up for now, I do have the PC version I purchased, so I can run under boot camp if I choose to.
Who knows, maybe if a cider port becomes easy to use I will try again.
Music?! How?! The UT for OS X beta 3 cannot play music...
Which version of UT are you playing exactly?