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jeremiah256

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I have lots of Apple products, but not a laptop yet. And I plan on purchasing one very soon. My usage consists of mostly basic tasks including Youtube, Netflix, Spotify, Safari with multiple tabs open, office documents and light photo editing. I plan to keep this machine, likely an MBA, for five years. Based on my usage and length of time I anticipate to keep my machine, does it make sense to upgrade to 16MG of RAM? I have a limited budget, but will spend the extra money if upgrading to 16GB will help to future proof my purchase. Thank you!
The base model MacBook Air is the exact machine for these types of scenarios. If you have to ask if you need 16GBs, you don’t need 16GBs. Anyone who needs it already knows this with the applications they are using. The base model MacBook Air is rivaling last years top level, 16GB or more MacBook Pro, so if you didn’t need a Pro before, you’ll be fine with the M1 Air.

And yet, the M1 Macs are so good, if you do find yourself expanding your horizons, you can easily run Photoshop, Logic, Final Cut, and other heavy programs when you need to.
 

crevalic

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The base model MacBook Air is the exact machine for these types of scenarios. If you have to ask if you need 16GBs, you don’t need 16GBs. Anyone who needs it already knows this with the applications they are using. The base model MacBook Air is rivaling last years top level, 16GB or more MacBook Pro, so if you didn’t need a Pro before, you’ll be fine with the M1 Air.

And yet, the M1 Macs are so good, if you do find yourself expanding your horizons, you can easily run Photoshop, Logic, Final Cut, and other heavy programs when you need to.
We're just making stuff up now?

M1 macs might rival Intel macs in CPU performance, but they trail them in RAM by miles. I guess you are not up to date, the "8GB M1 = 16GB" died out here a few months go because it was bullshi*.

Enjoy one of many threads where simply using Safari on an 8GB M1 machine is enough to crash everything and run out of RAM. But sure, also add some heavy programs to that, will end great.
 
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Taco1933

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I just got a 16gb MBA. Using the activity monitor, it shows that it's using about 12gb most of the time regardless of what I'm doing. I'm not an expert, at all. Maybe it's like buying a fast car. You're using the whole engine regardless of whether you're on the race track or driving grandma to church. But I don't regret having a bit of headroom, either way. Can't upgrade it later.
 

matrix07

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The base model MacBook Air is the exact machine for these types of scenarios. If you have to ask if you need 16GBs, you don’t need 16GBs. Anyone who needs it already knows this with the applications they are using. The base model MacBook Air is rivaling last years top level, 16GB or more MacBook Pro, so if you didn’t need a Pro before, you’ll be fine with the M1 Air.

And yet, the M1 Macs are so good, if you do find yourself expanding your horizons, you can easily run Photoshop, Logic, Final Cut, and other heavy programs when you need to.

We're just making stuff up now?

M1 macs might rival Intel macs in CPU performance, but they trail them in RAM by miles. I guess you are not up to date, the "8GB M1 = 16GB" died out here a few months go because it was bullshi*.

Enjoy one of many threads where simply using Safari on an 8GB M1 machine is enough to crash everything and run out of RAM. But sure, also add some heavy programs to that, will end great.

I agree with @jeremiah256 . I'm using it with 2 Safari windows, 57 tabs open in total + Firefox with 24 tabs. TV app, Music, VLC, Mail, Message, Quicktime player and Stickies all open at the same time on 8 GB model and it has never felt slow.
I also use Pixelmator Pro sometimes on top of these and it's plenty fast. Edit 1080p movie in iMovie is also snappy.
 
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Apple_Robert

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Given the OP's usage, 8GB of RAM is more than sufficient. I do much more than that with my base M1 MBA and have had no problems.

Spending more money on tech you don't need as a means to future proof your purchase is illogical and an exercise in futility. Buy the computer that fits your current needs. Your usage doesn't show as someone that will drastically change to usage that requires a lot more RAM. If after 5 years, you find your usage has changed and the stock configuration can't keep up with OS and app demand, then research your needs for your next purchase.

Many people on here like to tell others they need much more, especially when it is someone else's money. Ask them to PayPal Gift the price difference of the RAM to the OP and it would become a whole different story.
 

Cubytus

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What you described is pretty light usage, people still do that on machines with 4 gigs of RAM with no big issues.
8 gigs would hit the spot for you I believe, but since you'd like to keep the machine for a few years and we don't know what stupid technology becomes fashionable in 2025 that will destroy our RAM just like Electron apps have since 2013, if you can afford it easily, get the 16 GB version. If you can't, don't worry and get the 8 GB one, it will run 100 % today, tomorrow, in a year, and unless your needs change dramatically, it will absolutely be usable after five years.

It's kind of a meme nowadays to go around telling people that your current amount of RAM is the ABSOLUTE MINIMUM, I guess it makes people feel like proper professionals or something, but let me tell you, editing 4K footage from an iPhone once a week doesn't make anyone a power user. Having lots of tabs open in a web browser doesn't make anyone a power user. Starting all apps a person knows how to use at once and pretending like it's their normal workflow doesn't mean they need that much RAM in the machine.

I develop web apps on my Mac and could've gotten the 8 GB model easily and it would work just fine, because my previous dev machine was a 8 GB Dell laptop running Linux (not-so-great RAM management) and it was fine. I only got the 16 GB one because I'm going to make some changes in my workflow that will require more RAM and because the machine is my work tool and pays for it.
What OP wrongly describes as "light" is actually pretty heavy usage. Websites are incredibly and increasingly RAM-heavy.
Nonsense. I could easily do all that he described with my old 2012 MacBook Air with 4GB of Ram. 8GB is plenty. That being said, if the OP has money to burn and feels better about it, then 16GB definitely won't hurt.
My experience differs. A mid-2009 MB, maxed-out with 8GB RAM, is slug-slow under (my) normal usage. I still can edit a document in Teams OR make a call, but not both at the same time.

People grossly underestimate how much RAM browsers alone take these days. That "light usage" is probably more memory intensive than you think it is if there is a browser involved. Then there's the myriad of Electron apps that are also memory hogs.
+1

Look, and this goes for everyone giving me grief here: If it worked like crap, why the HELL would I not just say so? What's in it for me to LIE about it? Look at my signature - it's not like I can't afford higher-end Macs and thus am doing a sour-grapes routine to make myself feel better. I own what you see there PLUS a 2012 iMac and MBA (removed those from signature since it was getting too long and they're no longer my "main" desktop/laptop combo). I don't need to post a freaking activity monitor screenshot. I can simply tell you I've been using it with multiple Chrome tabs, GIMP, GarageBand, MS Office (including PowerPoints with TONS of animations, many simultaneous), QuickTime, etc. without ever feeling like it was choking or even starting too. Now, I don't normally do all those things at the same time (no need to), but I have done a FEW of those things at the same time and experience no perceivable issues. I guess maybe it helps that it has an SSD for memory swapping or something. I don't really know nor care what it's doing in the background because it just works.

That will be my final comment on the matter.
Some have a different sense of speed than others, and that's OK. But please don't go on pretending what you say is your typical use is fast.

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I've been on 16GB for the past 8 years. At the time it seemed like a luxury, now, it's barely enough. That is a capture taken after a few hours running, mostly doing office work. A few Word documents open, email, Teams (not even in a video conference), Firefox configured to unload any unused tab after 30 min. Of course, like anyone else, I'd love to be able to return to 128MB RAM and have a great experience, just like it was on Windows 2000 back in the day.

So as to compare: a recent HP PC with 8GB RAM, running Firefox with some open tabs, gulps down 80 to 90% of the available RAM.

So to the OP: DO max out the RAM. NEVER underestimate how much RAM and storage you will need.
While 8GB may seem adequate right now given the right processor power, I can pretty much guarantee you will regret skimping on it sooner than later.
Same goes with internal storage. Some pretend 256GB is plenty. It is, if you store documents, photos, apps in the cloud, which will end up more expensive in the long run than having a larger SSD to start with.
I made a similar mistake a few years back when buying an iPhone 6, thinking 16GB storage was enough as from my experience with iPhone 3GS. Now, I always have to think which app I must have, which one can be uninstalled. Don't make a similar mistake!
 

Toutou

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What OP wrongly describes as "light" is actually pretty heavy usage. Websites are incredibly and increasingly RAM-heavy.
There is nothing "heavy" about having a few browser tabs open. Yes, websites are bloated and browsers do all kinds of crazy stuff like process-per-window for security, but if you take a bloated page like Reddit or Macrumors that consumes 300 MB of RAM, you can still fit fifteen of those in the 5 GB of RAM that the browser may use on a 8 GB machine. Nobody uses fifteen JS heavy web apps at the same time, people switch between tabs and often don't reload some of them for hours.

Browsers have become a memory-stuffer. Most people have a browser open that allocates large amounts of RAM, so the memory always looks full, but it's memory that can be easily reclaimed if needed for a more intensive task.
A mid-2009 MB, maxed-out with 8GB RAM, is slug-slow under (my) normal usage. I still can edit a document in Teams OR make a call, but not both at the same time.
In front of me I have a 8 GB machine currently running openSUSE that used to be my main dev machine (on Ubuntu) for nearly two years. With Linux' weird memory management, with a tiny swapfile, running a full featured IDE, sometimes two instances at the same time, MySQL database, a Ruby application server, several Ruby interpreters, Slack, Spotify and Firefox with many tabs. Not a single problem.

My GF currently uses my old 2013 MacBook (4 GB of RAM) for uni. 100 % remote nowadays, they use Teams, she usually has Teams open on one screen and some windows with Pages, Safari, Preview etc. It works and feels just as fast as I remember it. I use a M1 daily but that thing doesn't feel like a slow machine, just a bit slower. Sure, sometimes it swaps. That's why Macs ship with swap enabled.
I've been on 16GB for the past 8 years. At the time it seemed like a luxury, now, it's barely enough. That is a capture taken after a few hours running, mostly doing office work.
There's a browser with many tabs open. The memory will look full, that's a given. It kind of makes sense to look at free memory on Linux, but it doesn't anymore on macOS and Windows. Unused RAM is wasted RAM and both the other OSes cache stuff for future use.
a recent HP PC with 8GB RAM, running Firefox with some open tabs, gulps down 80 to 90% of the available RAM
Don't know which OS, but probably the same. The browser eats up all the RAM because it can.
 

ctjack

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If one is highly interested in "future proofing" then the most appropriate way could be the actual stepping along this future.
I bought 8gb ram but invested in 512gb of ssd. If i want to upgrade when the new Air m2 comes, i will sell this m1 and add saved money from not upgrading RAM and buy myself a new Air, which will definitely be better than the old one. That is a real future proofing.
Those who interested, can take a look at youtube @Techkhamun did a comparison of 16gb RAM MBP 2015 which couldn't stand against base 8GB MBP13 2019/Air i5 2020. That is how the future works - it doesn't care how much upgrades on RAM, CPU you take in the past and how much thousands it did cost to you.
 
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