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Upgrading 2013-2015 Macbook Pro SSD to M.2 NVMe
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Yes they did not change any settings most likely. They just don't experience the problem because the way they use the device never triggers hibernate. Inevitably it will occur at some point if battery goes too low, or a timer triggers hibernate.
For yourself you should check your settings, maybe start fresh, and find what works for you. Also check your adapter that the connector is taped, it has been reported several times in this thread that it might cause kernel panics if it is not insulated properly.
Are you saying that if you can find a cheap SSUBX drive it will be compatible with the MacBook pro 2013 and 2014 models as well? My intel 760p gets 1650 read and 600 write, the SX8200 got 1600/1500 which I had to return. The Apple drive seems to be a compromise between the two if SSUBX is compatible with 2013/2014 otherwise it might get quite costly to purchase a larger (Older) SSUAX drive and not get any speed improvement. Some people on this thread have advised against buying used apple SSDs dated that far back because you don't know what they've been through or how much TBW have been consumed.
You won't know until you run DriveDx and see that it's been around the block. A year ago I thought I got a great deal on a 512 GB SSUBX from a 2014 rMBP and it had 18 TBs of writes, hardly the 'rarely used' condition that was advertised. Same thing on a rare Samsung SM951 512 GB, except 330 TB of writes.
Does EveryMac have this wrong?
If you click through to 2015 15" models, it says PCIe 2.0 x4
https://everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook_pro/index-macbookpro.html
Example - the totally maxed out 2015 15"
https://everymac.com/systems/apple/...l-graphics-mid-2015-retina-display-specs.html
If you click through to 2015 15" models, it says PCIe 2.0 x4
https://everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook_pro/index-macbookpro.html
Example - the totally maxed out 2015 15"
https://everymac.com/systems/apple/...l-graphics-mid-2015-retina-display-specs.html
This is the proper guide to follow: https://beetstech.com/blog/apple-proprietary-ssd-ultimate-guide-to-specs-and-upgrades
In here it states that 2013/2014 models have a PCIe 2.0 x4 interface on the logic board but the stock OEM drives use PCIe 2.0 x2 interface hence it is capped at roughly 700/700 read/write, except for the OEM 1TB model which is PCIe 2.0 x4. They are all AHCI drives hence the speed.
The 2015 13 inch models are equipped with PCIe 2.0 x4 but the drives have a PCIe 3.0 x4 interface so there will be an increase in speed.
The 2015 15 inch model however is equipped with PCIe 3.0 x4 which allows it to take full advantage of the NVME speeds.
If I am not mistaken, the drives used in 2015 models are also AHCI but with PCIe interfaces.
In generation 5 Apple changed the form factor as well as the protocol to NVME. In this era there was also a Gen 5 (Type B) which has the 12+16 connector same as previous, so technically speaking these drives would be compatible with 2013, 2014 and 2015 models as well, the type b gets 2750/2350 speeds. There is also Type A of this gen which is incompatible with older models because of a new connector and its also slower than type B.
I hope this clears things up and gives you an idea of what speeds to expect!
I have a question about boot camp installation comparing to original apple ssd my boot camp assistant in windows can't recognize a startup disk (that what is written on error) while I am trying to open it to enable touch not click on touchpad so finally I can't do this.. Somebody have the same? Or how to get working touchpad by touch not by click
Yes i had the same it is because the windows side cannot access APFS. You can start admin cmd shell, then type:
runas /trustlevel:0x20000 AppleControlPanel.exe
Early brings up a good point but eBay will allow you to return even if the seller doesn’t accept returns if you select “item not as described”
This might we answered already but just wondering if a Kapton tape still required when using the SinTech adapter, I have the MacBook early 2015 13" a1502 updated to the newest firmware. MacOS Mojave10.14.4
planning to use Adata sx8200 pro 1tb
thanks
planning to use Adata sx8200 pro 1tb
thanks
Hi NutFlush920,
Is your MacBook Pro 15 a (mid 2015) model? Did that adapter was compatible with your MacBook Pro? I would like to order that adapter from eBay as well, can you share the link?
I'm planning to buy the adapter and the Samsung 970 Evo 500 in the next 5 days to upgrade this machine.
Thank you!!!
Yeah I really don't feel like dealing with returning items to eBay so I am going to pass, also here in Canada the SSUAX drives are hard to find, SSUBX is more common but wicked expensive, looking at around 400 CAD or more for the 1TB drive that is PCIe 2.0 x4 from the 2015 MBP. I'm also thinking based off my findings in the history of Apple SSDs that if you manage to find an SSUBX drive that is from Generation 5 (NVME from 2016 MBP models with 12+16 pin) it still wouldn't solve the hibernate issues but you might get better battery life. I think I will stick with my 760p...
I just wanted people to be aware that they will may get better speed from an Apple OEM SSUBX SSD (AHCI PCIe 3x4) opposed to a 3rd Party PCIe 3x 4 NVME SSD with PCIe 2x4 Macs that shipped with Apple SSUAX drives (AHCI PCIe 2x2)
I see some 512GB SSUBX go for around $150.00 and 1TB for $300.00 which is about $50.00 more than 3rd party Samsung NVME drives.
In addition to the possibility of better speeds and boot time the other benefits are better battery life and proper sleep support without firmware modification flash.
The cons are higher price, no 2TB option, and a used item. You can return for free on eBay if you report item not as described within 45 days but can be a hassle and you have no warranty after unless the seller offers ones. Having said that I never really see Apple SSDs fail doing Mac service and repair.
It would be interesting to see if 3rd party AHCI drives can also perform better than NVME on Macs but I don’t think many were manufactured and they may not be sold new anymore.
The Apple OEM NVME drives are SSPOLARIS are a pretty penny and still need firmware modification for proper sleep support as you mentioned (unless being used with 2015 MBP)
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What is the best bang for your buck 1TB option for a 2015 13” model?
Obviously the high-end stuff is a waste of money since the 13” 2015 has PCIe2x4
Maybe an HP EX920?
Just scored a great deal on a mint base model with low cycles ($615 shipped) and want to get more storage in there vs 128 it shipped with.
Should be a great model for occasional coffee shop typing and general travel Mac usage to compliment my Hack power machine.
Obviously the high-end stuff is a waste of money since the 13” 2015 has PCIe2x4
Maybe an HP EX920?
Just scored a great deal on a mint base model with low cycles ($615 shipped) and want to get more storage in there vs 128 it shipped with.
Should be a great model for occasional coffee shop typing and general travel Mac usage to compliment my Hack power machine.
I am not sure AHCI is superior to NVME even with the PCIe 3.0 x4 interface there are still protocol limitations, I might be wrong though. The only benefits I could see from AHCI is using the 1 TB model from Generation 4 which is the only drive to use PCIe 2.0 x4 unless the other lower capacities which are x2, I'm not even sure a PCIe 3.0 AHCI drive would be faster than NVME but then again it also depends on the interface of the logic board and which combination you have and what type of NVME you're running, if you're comparing against QLC drives then an OEM SSUBX drive might be better for 50$ more. Have you tried this out or know anyone that has experience with this?
Also yes you're correct, AHCI drives are no longer manufactured by apple as of 2016 they've switched to NVME drives using the 12+16 connector, they get speeds of 2700/2400 which is quite impressive given they're 3 years old. The best result you can get with a 2013/2014 model is to find a 1 TB SSUBX drive which will max out the the capacity of the logic board interface, otherwise we just have to deal with EFI issues.
The other thing I'd like to know is how the power consumption of the drives in 2013 through 2015 differ to see why we're actually noticing shorter battery life with more efficient drives. If anyone has insight on this please provide it!
NVME can definitely benchmark quite a bit higher then AHCI with PCIe 3x4 but you probably won’t notice a difference with general use.
All Gen 4 drives (SSUBX) are PCIe 3x4. I was speaking of 3rd parties manufacturing AHCI M.2 PCIe drives. I don’t believe they are anymore and there weren’t many to begin with.
I’d also like to get a detailed battery life comparison of the most power efficient drives vs Apple OEM. As far as OEM goes I don’t believe you’ll see a battery life difference going from a SSUAX to a SSUBX.
I am going to make an educated guess based of gilles_polysoft's chart that the 2013/2014 2.0 x2 drives use much less power than the apple AHCI drive he listed, that one seems to be from a 2015 since its PCIe 3.0 x4, the other apple drive he listed was an NVME drive probably from generation 5. I would say that the only drive that would get you anywhere near the same battery life is the Sabrent Rocket as it seems even a 0.2-0.3 watt increase is enough to cut almost 2 hours of battery life and it seems to be better than the intel 660p.
I was in the same boat. Sold 2012 retina 512gb for $500, bought 2015 13" retina i7 16gb 500gb for $700, then took pm961 1tb out of my x1 yoga and used sintech adapter to install in mbp. Benches 1500 read 1300 write. Bought pm981 1tb for $165 on eBay and put it in my x1 yoga as it benefits from the speed increase 3000 read, >2000 write. Was some work, but now i have a sensible arrangement of SSDs @ low cost. My 512gb ahci stock Apple SSD is for sale
let me know if interested.By the way, it was not that easy to get my bootcamp installation up and running again. Solution is to install Samsung nvme driver ahead of drive migration and boot in safe mode.
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I may be able to pull my Sabrent from my iMac to test the battery life in my Late 2013’ 15” MBP. I had the drive installed in it for a few minutes to benchmark the speeds that I reported. Is the battery issue mainly during sleep?
No I am talking about just regular usage, sleeping doesn't seem to be a issue once you disable the psmet settings.