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tracer1

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Thanks steve

Tsialex..............Can't do the boot rom or a bootable thumb drive. Don't have an OS at all. So how would I do this?
 

stevecc

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you need to formatted the ssd the way I said earlier on another Mac,must be a Mac.then Snow leopard should get you started..thats good you have that disc.The new ssd must be formatted on a friends Mac book type thing,Then put back in yours restart holding the option key then it will install snow leopard.formatt os extended journal and GUID portion map for sure...Name it what you like.or installs from a friend on your ssd and put it back in your machine.ive been were you are before, it sucks with no OS installed to start with.i had to bring mine in to a Apple certified compeer store and he set it up and rolling for 90$if your going nuts trying to get it.
 
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stevecc

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you need to formatted the ssd the way I said earlier on another Mac,must be a Mac.then Snow leopard should get you started..thats good you have that disc.The new ssd must be formatted on a friends Mac book type thing,Then put back in yours restart holding the option key then it will install snow leopard.formatt os extended journal and GUID portion map for sure...Name it what you like.or installs from a friend on your ssd and put it back in your machine.ive been were you are before, it sucks with no OS installed to start with.i had to bring mine in to a Apple certified compeer store and he set it up and rolling for 90$if your going nuts trying to get it.
Once you get OS installed you can go all the way to OS Catalina with Dosdudes Patcher,It supports 2008 and up..let me know how you made out!..happy new year.
 

tracer1

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Thanks Steve, really appreciate all the help on here. Will try to get it formatted today and OS installed. Will let you know how it works out. BTW, is there a cable adapter for the thunderbolt display to connect the the apple cinema display. My friend that I will use his computer to format my ssd is considering by a "trash can" but want to keep his old 27" Apple Cinema display. Just thought I would ask.
Again Thanks
 

stevecc

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Thanks Steve, really appreciate all the help on here. Will try to get it formatted today and OS installed. Will let you know how it works out. BTW, is there a cable adapter for the thunderbolt display to connect the the apple cinema display. My friend that I will use his computer to format my ssd is considering by a "trash can" but want to keep his old 27" Apple Cinema display. Just thought I would ask.
Again Thanks
Yes there is!..Its called Apple thunderbolt Mini DisplayPort to DVI adapter A1305 MB570LL/B serial# for they old Cinema Display..try eBay so you can see what it looks like ok..everythings closed today...your having bad luck!..or if he has a 8gb USB stick he can install High Serria from the High Serria installer database onto the stick and put it in yours...turn computer on and hold the option key..when it boots click install High Serria,anything higher then High Serria will need a 16gb usb stick.its called making a bootable Mac OS USB drive on uTube if you guys don't know how to do that.its not that hard.
 
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stevecc

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Yes there is!..Its called Apple thunderbolt Mini DisplayPort to DVI adapter A1305 MB570LL/B serial# for they old Cinema Display..try eBay so you can see what it looks like ok..everythings closed today...your having bad luck!..or if he has a 8gb USB stick he can install High Serria from the High Serria installer database onto the stick and put it in yours...turn computer on and hold the option key..when it boots click install High Serria,anything higher then High Serria will need a 16gb usb stick.its called making a bootable Mac OS USB drive on uTube if you guys don't know how to do that.its not that hard.
you could all try googling how to download apple installer for os High Serria not from the App Store.
 

Warrington

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Would never work. Leopard was never supported with a MacPro5,1 and Snow Leopard DVDs are usually 10.6.3 while MacPro5,1 was only supported with a 10.6.4 special build issued only with the original mid2010 install DVDs.

It worked with a Snow Leopard DVD 10.6 (I suppose it means 10.6.0).

I started from scratch on a 4.1 machine with the hdd removed by the previous owner. I was only able to find a 500 GB Hitachi hdd from a ML350 server and a Snow Leopard DVD 10.6 (2Z691-6557-A). It says ”Mac OSX V10.6 Retail” on the box and it even has a part number: MC223Z/A :)

With that 10.6 working, I was able to download MacOSXUpdCombo10.6.8.dmg. With that 10.6.8 working I was able to download El Capitan and with El Capitan that 4.1 machine was back in business. It happened about 3 months ago.
 

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It worked with a Snow Leopard DVD 10.6 (I suppose it means 10.6.0).

I started from scratch on a 4.1 machine with the hdd removed by the previous owner. I was only able to find a 500 GB Hitachi hdd from a ML350 server and a Snow Leopard DVD 10.6 (2Z691-6557-A). It says ”Mac OSX V10.6 Retail” on the box and it even has a part number: MC223Z/A :)

With that 10.6 working, I was able to download MacOSXUpdCombo10.6.8.dmg. With that 10.6.8 working I was able to download El Capitan and with El Capitan that 4.1 machine was back in business. It happened about 3 months ago.
You are not talking the same thing, since you got it working with a MacPro4,1. MacPro4,1 can run 10.6.0, while MacPro5,1 not. MacPro4,1 first ever supported macOS release is Mac OS X 10.5.6 (9G3553)

MacPro5,1 needs at least 10.6.4 (10F2521 or 10F2554, both are special builds and only available with mid-2010 Mac Pro own Restore DVDs) the first version to have drivers and MacPro5,1 model identifier inside the SupportedModelProperties of /System/Library/CoreServices/PlatformSupport.plist.

The common Snow Leopard install DVD that almost everyone have because Apple sent to MobileMe users to upgrade to iCloud is 10.6.3 and don't run with MacPro5,1s since the GPU drivers are not present nor the model identifier is listed inside the SupportedModelProperties of /System/Library/CoreServices/PlatformSupport.plist.

You can't run a macOS installer DVD, or USB createinstallmedia, if the model identifier of the Mac you are trying to run the installer is not present inside the SupportedModelProperties array.
 
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Warrington

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The common Snow Leopard install DVD that almost everyone have (...) is 10.6.3

You're probably right, but that's a different DVD.

I've just tested the same method on a 5.1 (CK04506FEUG) and it worked fine. The 10.6 Retail DVD described above works on 5.1 as well.

later edit: I've just checked the firmware of the CK04506FEUG, is MP51.007F.B03
 
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tsialex

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You're probably right, but that's a different DVD.

I've just tested the same method on a 5.1 (CK04506FEUG) and it worked fine. The 10.6 Retail DVD described above works on 5.1 as well.

later edit: I've just checked the firmware of the CK04506FEUG, is MP51.007F.B03
Even if your NVRAM have the boot-args=-no_compat_check to bypass/ignore the check on PlatformSupport.plist, Snow Leopard DVDs before the 10.6.4 builds for MacPro5,1 don't support ATI HD 5770 and 5870 or the AirPort Extreme and the GPU is totally un-accelerated.

A MacPro5,1 with -no_compat_check enabled and a GT120 or HD 4870 would work since the early-2009 GPUs are officially supported since 10.5.6, but not the OEM AirPort Extreme.
 

Warrington

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The goal was to start a machine from scratch, using that DVD because it was the only thing available. Why would it matter if the GPU is accelerated or not? What relevance has the AirPort Extreme here?

The 5.1 machine is still on 10.6 at the moment, feel free to ask me to check whatever you would like me to check. The GPU is HD 5770. It works fine, in my opinion.
 

tsialex

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The goal was to start a machine from scratch, using that DVD because it was the only thing available. Why would it matter if the GPU is accelerated or not? What relevance has the AirPort Extreme here?

The 5.1 machine is still on 10.6 at the moment, feel free to ask me to check whatever you would like me to check. The GPU is HD 5770. It works fine, in my opinion.
Seems you are completely missing the point. If you have a Snow Leopard DVD that have a PlatformSupport.plist that don't block the MacPro5,1, (I don't doubt that you can have one, AASPs have "unlocked" installer DVDs with PlataformSupport.plist checks bypassed) the Snow Leopard DVD that the OP have don't boot with his MacPro5,1. Open the /System/Library/CoreServices/PlatformSupport.plist and see what I'm talking about.

Why your DVD working for you will help him since the one that he have don't - or if you are booting a normal Snow Leopard installer DVD (that blocks a MacPro5,1) because you have -no_compat_check enabled, why it would help him? OP would have to enable it and install a GPU that is supported by the SnowLeopard DVD that he has, both GPUs that he listed don't work with SnowLeopard.
 
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Warrington

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You don't know what DVD has the OP, he didn't say anything about his version of Snow Leopard. He probably lost his patience when he was saying "On Snow Leopard, get the apple logo that sits there forever". After a few minutes, the installation would probably have started.

You mentioned the 10.6.3, not him. Since 10.6 is supposed to be an early version than 10.6.3 and 10.6 works, it seemed worth to mention that.

I have told you exactly what DVD I have, I suppose this retail version was sold everywhere.

The funny thing is the same UPC code 885909329861 appears for both 10.6 Retail and 10.6.3 Retail :)

 
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tsialex

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You don't know what DVD has the OP, he didn't say anything about his version of Snow Leopard. He probably lost his patience when he was saying "On Snow Leopard, get the apple logo that sits there forever". After a few minutes, the installation would probably have started.

You mentioned the 10.6.3, not him. Since 10.6 is supposed to be an early version than 10.6.3 and 10.6 works, it seemed worth to mention that.

I have told you exactly what DVD I have, I suppose this retail version was sold everywhere.
Even as you say the Snow Leopard DVD that you have works for you and the OP have the same one, why it would work with GPUs that were released years later? GTX 680 and HD 7970 that the OP listed are Mountain Lion 10.8.3+ GPUs.
 

Warrington

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I don't know about his GPU and I don't care about his GPU.

I was just saying that he already had the DVD that might have helped him. Since the Apple logo was displayed, his GPU was able to display something with that DVD in. But he lost his patience in front of the Apple logo :)
 

Warrington

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Open the /System/Library/CoreServices/PlatformSupport.plist and see what I'm talking about.

I have found PlatformSupport.plist on my machine (running High Sierra at the moment) but I couldn't find it on the CK04506FEUG running Snow Leopard 10.6

Any other location, maybe?
 

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Ok, here is a update. I installed Snow Leopard. This is the same cd as Warrington has. Loaded with no problem and software update to 10.6.8. Downloaded Catalina patch from dosdude. Says it can’t install, I have to have 10.6.9??????? I’m really not surprised though. So it shows everything with my internet but can’t go online. This is what it says “safari can’t establish a secure connection to the server “. Boot rom is 138.0.0, which I don’t think it matters anyway. I don’t know if my cMP has anything to do with it. Its a 2010 with 2012 processors but again don’t think that matters either. BTW I am on my iPhone as there is no login when I go to the website. Oh, thanks Steve for the adapter info. So I am at loss again. Have no idea of what to do. Maybe just throw it away and get something else.
 

tracer1

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Even if your NVRAM have the boot-args=-no_compat_check to bypass/ignore the check on PlatformSupport.plist, Snow Leopard DVDs before the 10.6.4 builds for MacPro5,1 don't support ATI HD 5770 and 5870 or the AirPort Extreme and the GPU is totally un-accelerated.

A MacPro5,1 with -no_compat_check enabled and a GT120 or HD 4870 would work since the early-2009 GPUs are officially supported since 10.5.6, but not the OEM AirPort Extreme.
I have a 2009 with the GT120, actually my wife runs windows on it. So you are saying my thx 680 won’t work? But it it downloaded and screen graphics seem normal. Also where do I go to check the compatibility thingy? Also system library doesn’t show core or platform either.
 

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Why would my airport have anything to do with it since it shows connected and has worked with everything up to Catalina????
 
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