MP 1,1-5,1 Upgrading Mac Pro Classic to latest OS

[GlynH]

Point taken - but you aren't really using it as apple designed, check out your upgrades .....

@tracer1 said in their original post that they "need" to upgrade so as you say either buy a newer machine or bit the bullet and do it - really its the best way to learn as well.
@cdf and others have put lots of time and effort into a great guide, read it and learn

I've been around IT for a long time as well - lots of it self taught and trail and error.
An IT professional told me, only a few days ago, that one of the biggest things in IT today is using "Google"

Point taken - but I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one. About the only thing that I can see that you might be referring to is the BCM94360CD and that is an original Apple/Broadcom card used in other Macs and although I originally couldn't get it to Auto Unlock it does now without resorting to any 3rd Party jiggery-pokery.

I can (and have) installed new macOS directly from the App Store without 3rd party patches so do have an OS as Apple designed it and I prefer to use it. In my mind at least. For the time being anyway until I find a feature in a later OS I just can't live without! ?

I am in awe of those who come up with things like OpenCore and the other solutions along with the wealth of knowledge and the willingness of those to share it with mere mortals like myself. It's why I subscribed and try to put a little something back into the community.

I can certainly agree with you about the self taught, trial & error road...been there...done that...got the t-shirt.

And yeah Google plays a bigger part in IT Support than many people would care to admit. When I come across a new problem to me the first thing I do is use Google (or Mac Rumors forum) for a sanity check so I'm including myself in that...guilty as charged! ?

Thanks & kind regards,
-=Glyn=-

 

[Fastsavage]

Point taken - but I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one. About the only thing that I can see that you might be referring to is the BCM94360CD and that is an original Apple/Broadcom card used in other Macs and although I originally couldn't get it to Auto Unlock it does now without resorting to any 3rd Party jiggery-pokery.

I can (and have) installed new macOS directly from the App Store without 3rd party patches so do have an OS as Apple designed it and I prefer to use it. In my mind at least. For the time being anyway until I find a feature in a later OS I just can't live without! ?

I think opencore is no different than a SSD or upgraded graphics card that wasn’t on Apples list of upgrades back in 2009.
Apple for whatever reason, probably to generate income by getting us to buy a new computer, decided not to support cMP so all opencore does it trick the OS to thinking that the hardware is later than is really is.

It’s just a “work around”. We are all familiar with those

I’m sure we could both find good arguments for and against “ To upgrade or not”

Maybe google could help us haha.

 

[Warrington]

Apple for whatever reason, probably to generate income by getting us to buy a new computer, decided not to support cMP

Not necessarily. The audio playback stuttering on 4.1 machines fitted with E5520 CPUs and running Mojave is real.

Apple can't support such an upgrade. If E5520 CPUs are replaced with Westmere CPUs, the audio stuttering disappears. But Apple never sold 4.1 machines fitted with Westmere CPUs, it was an aftermarket upgrade.

 

[tracer1]

I have come to the conclusion that I will not attempt OC or to upgrade even to Catalina. I had Catalina on this machine previously since beta came out. Loaded it with Catalina patcher (dosdude) in a short time with no problem. Every time I attempt to install it with the patcher now it says can't install 10.15.7 on this machine. WTH is this? Anyway, if someone can explain what this is and why and how to install it, It would be very appreciated. I would like to download Catalina so I could maybe sell it (currently running Mojave). If not, I will give it to my wife to replace her 2009 and let her run Windows on it. I know OC is so easy to install, a 6 year old can do it. Unfortunately, I'm only 5, lol. I'm using my 6,1 with Monterey on it and it runs flawlessly. Might just sell the 2009 & my 12 core and get her a 6,1. Uh OH, Just remembered she only runs Windows.
Thank you guys for all your help. Sorry, I'm not a very good student.

 

[Warrington]

I would like to download Catalina so I could maybe sell it (currently running Mojave).

It depends on the buyer. I'd rather buy a machine running natively Mojave than a "doctored" one running Catalina.

Running Big Sur will surely make a difference, but not Catalina.

 

[tracer1]

Good point.........

 

[tracer1]

BCM94322MC, not compatible with Catalina anymore, officially supported up to Mojave. But I had it on this same machine with Catalina and everything worked perfectly.
I have been working on open core also using the open core configurator. When I go to mount efi then select open partition, I get the window saying NVRAM isn't native and can't install boot loader. What is that & is their a way to fix it.
Also does SIP have to be disabled & pram reset? I've only seen that mentioned in cloverleaf but prefer not to use that. As I said, I'm not a proficient computer whiz, just learning about OC. Any help, in layman terms would be greatly appreciated. Running Mojave and boot rom is 144.0.0.0.0

 

[tracer1]

Actually, I don't really care about OC but would like to get Catalina reinstalled on my machine. I had it at one time on this very machine using Dosdudes patcher so don't know why it won't load now. I get the msg now saying 10.15.7 ( I believe that's correct) cannot be installed on the machine. I would just like to know why so I can fix it.

 

[rafboy]

Does anyone have a cMP 5,1 and was able to apply the Catalina SecUpd2022-001Catalina (19H1713)?
I'm at my wits end with trying to get it to update.
I can't get past the 19H1704 version. (pic #1)

I've tried to update by applying the Catalina OTA Software Update Fix (pic #2)
I'm able to see the beta version of the Catalina Update (pic #3), but I keep getting an OTA error every time I try to apply the fix after about 3% of the download (pic #4).

There have been instances where it will download the whole update and then restart my Mac after it ostensibly updates my OS, but when I check the version, I'm right back at 19H1704.
I've tried to use the dosdude1 Catalina Patcher, but since the Security Update is not a combo version, it downloads version 19H15 instead.
I tried the same with the MDS app, but 19H15 is the last available version.
In total, I've tried about 2 dozen times to apply the Security Update to no avail.

Has anyone been able to get this to work on a cMP 5,1?
If so, how?

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

[hwojtek]

It depends on the buyer. I'd rather buy a machine running natively Mojave than a "doctored" one running Catalina.

This is the same machine. Unless you buy a computer and use the OS previous owner left on it, very wise.

 

[VaZ]

What to do when Post-Install is always greyed out !?

 

[tracer1]

Had that same problem with post-install patch.

 

[splaquet]

I might be mistaken, but I believe "Post Install Root Patch" is greyed out when there aren't any Post Install actions available. I do realize that, at least on most MacPro5,1 machines, that there's typically the WiFi & Bluetooth patches available... so, if those aren't working/aren't patched, I'd have to say that my theory is out the window. (Although, I do believe that I read that somewhere)

Also worth noting (after reading so much back and forth banter), that it's easy to forget that most folks ARE NOT aware that there's a difference between "OpenCore" & "OpenCore Legacy Patcher" (OCLP). I'm an IT guy... and I'm still a bit boggled by the primary OpenCore project.

BUT, on the other hand, OpenCore Legacy Patcher truly is REALLY simple and straightforward. For any of those who don't know... OpenCore is for "anyone", while OCLP is for folks working specifically on deprecated Mac hardware.

 

[sfalatko]

What to do when Post-Install is always greyed out !?

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Take your questions to the OCLP discord. The developers are very active there.

 

[tracer1]

Yeah, I could never get anything with the post install greyed out for whatever reason, probably an error on my part. I did however use clover, very simple and, so far, my machines run fine with it. I think I heard clover was obsolete or no longer used because oc is much better. I was most of the time was totally confused with the GitHub window for OC. Never knew where to go on that page. Btw, Would the WiFi -bluetooth work with my 5,1 with Monterey and if so, where would I go to get it?
Thanks

 

[splaquet]

and my apologies for restating the obvious here... but, you obviously can't use the Post Install until you've already Built & Installed OCLP.

@tracer1 , with regards to the Bluetooth & WiFi... OCLP WILL indeed get that back up and running (does on my cMP5,1). BUT, I'm pretty certain that it says on their github homepage that no other patches (Clover, BigMac, etc) can be in place. The OCLP install needs to be a fresh one to work as expected.

 

[tracer1]

I kinda thought that. How do I remove clover? And is oclp better than clover? Will it work on a 2009 flashed to a 5,1 and a gtx680 flashed to boot screen? Sorry to ask these questions, just don't want to mess anything up.

Also, probably a stupid question but reading the OCLP page, (this one -OCLP and Monterey - Patched Sur), it says to remove the Big Sur patch at the end of the instruction page. If it has to be removed, do I even need to install it period? Is this the correct page for instructions: OCLP and Monterey - Patched Sur

 

[splaquet]

I kinda thought that. How do I remove clover? And is oclp better than clover? Will it work on a 2009 flashed to a 5,1 and a gtx680 flashed to boot screen? Sorry to ask these questions, just don't want to mess anything up.

if you're worried about anything, do it all on a new drive for your first time.

Also, probably a stupid question but reading the OCLP page, (this one -OCLP and Monterey - Patched Sur), it says to remove the Big Sur patch at the end of the instruction page. If it has to be removed, do I even need to install it period? Is this the correct page for instructions: OCLP and Monterey - Patched Sur

I'd assume that's being stated because PatchedSur is part of OCLP.

In short... the only set of directions that you need to follow are these ones:
https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/

It'll say how to start, what not to do, and how to it correct from the very beginning.

 

[tsialex]

Clover is not compatible with real Macs and it's the fastest way to brick your Mac Pro. Don't ever install Clover, you have a Mac Pro, not a hackintosh.

 

[tracer1]

So how do I uninstall it, tsialex?

 

[tsialex]

Clover will brick your Mac Pro starting by corrupting the NVRAM volume. I really don't know why people try to hackintoshify Mac Pros if we have OC/OCLP.

Basically you need to wipe any Clover files from the EFI folder, but the damage to the BootROM image started the moment you booted from it the first time. For repair the BootROM, you will need a BootROM reconstruction service.

While your Mac Pro is still working, make a 10.6.3 createinstallmedia USB installer, install OCLP 0.4.2 to the same USB key, boot from it, fully nuke your disk and reinstall from scratch, after it's installed, run OCLP 0.4.2 again to make your BigSur disk bootable.

Good luck, do it before you make any more damages to the BootROM.

 

[tracer1]

Well, I should have known...... Murphy's law.......OK, I have a clean 2tb HDD. Can I just pull the Monterey out and start over with the new drive?
Thanks

 

[tsialex]

Well, I should have known...... Murphy's law.......OK, I have a clean 2tb HDD. Can I just pull the Monterey out and start over with the new drive?
Thanks

Sure, but the BootROM will need checking.

 

[tracer1]

How can I do that. The 5,1 was only boot couple of times. Don't use it that much.

 

[tracer1]

I have a H. Sierra and a Catalina USB but I will have make a createinstallmedia usb.